*** VRP Extreme Belt Wrap Kit ***
08-01-2007, 11:20 AM
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2004 E55 AMG and 2003 C320 4Matic Miss my 993 Turbo above!!
Thre are instructions posted on the net by Victor......i will try to find it for you. BTW, I am having my mechanic follow your instructions and purchases for the OIL CATCH CAN procedure install. do you have any changes to it since you have written. Thanks for your significant contributions to the board.
Roland
http://69.17.158.20/vrus/e55/extreme...nProcedure.doc
Roland
http://69.17.158.20/vrus/e55/extreme...nProcedure.doc
08-01-2007, 11:57 AM
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Thanks Roland. The link you posted isn't working for me, can double check it?
The catch can is working perfectly with no trouble at all. Nothing has changed about the install since I posted. If you have any questions on it let me know.
The catch can is working perfectly with no trouble at all. Nothing has changed about the install since I posted. If you have any questions on it let me know.
08-01-2007, 04:41 PM
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Sorry no dyno yet. I had to drop my car off to the dealer because o a transmission module failure. I'll dyno when I get her back.
08-01-2007, 05:00 PM
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did your belt slip off at all? or was it right the first time?
hopefully my guys get the belt on today and to the dyno tonight, we will see.
08-01-2007, 05:13 PM
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my car was shifting funny last month but I didn't take her in because I had appointments to get modds installed. I have driven the car about 75miles after the belt wrap and no slip. Like I stated earlier, after I got the car back it felt like the supercharger was always engaged. No lost of power.
08-02-2007, 11:19 PM
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Well guys, I got my car dyno'd last night, but the results aren't exactly what everyone has been looking and waiting for. For some reason, I LOST about 30rwhp with only the VRP belt wrap kit. My A/F ratios went even farther off the rich side of the scale than they were before.
At this point, it appears that my car has some other, pre-existing issues that are causing this condition, so there's no way that these results can be taken as a true representation of the parts I've installed. We are still running the Renntech tuning that was designed for headers and pulley, even though we have FAR eclipsed those mods. We're going to start from scratch and troubleshoot the car starting with the basics like a leakdown test, basic tuneup and sensor checks. At the same time, I'm desperately trying to find a source to write a custom tune for the car to see if we can cure some of these issues.
I'm sorry I couldn't report some great success, but it appears my car is determined not to cooperate. I'm sure once I get my issues sorted out, I'll be able to report back with much better news. Keep your fingers crossed for me!!
At this point, it appears that my car has some other, pre-existing issues that are causing this condition, so there's no way that these results can be taken as a true representation of the parts I've installed. We are still running the Renntech tuning that was designed for headers and pulley, even though we have FAR eclipsed those mods. We're going to start from scratch and troubleshoot the car starting with the basics like a leakdown test, basic tuneup and sensor checks. At the same time, I'm desperately trying to find a source to write a custom tune for the car to see if we can cure some of these issues.
I'm sorry I couldn't report some great success, but it appears my car is determined not to cooperate. I'm sure once I get my issues sorted out, I'll be able to report back with much better news. Keep your fingers crossed for me!!
08-02-2007, 11:47 PM
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Well guys, I got my car dyno'd last night, but the results aren't exactly what everyone has been looking and waiting for. For some reason, I LOST about 30rwhp with only the VRP belt wrap kit. My A/F ratios went even farther off the rich side of the scale than they were before.
At this point, it appears that my car has some other, pre-existing issues that are causing this condition, so there's no way that these results can be taken as a true representation of the parts I've installed. We are still running the Renntech tuning that was designed for headers and pulley, even though we have FAR eclipsed those mods. We're going to start from scratch and troubleshoot the car starting with the basics like a leakdown test, basic tuneup and sensor checks. At the same time, I'm desperately trying to find a source to write a custom tune for the car to see if we can cure some of these issues.
I'm sorry I couldn't report some great success, but it appears my car is determined not to cooperate. I'm sure once I get my issues sorted out, I'll be able to report back with much better news. Keep your fingers crossed for me!!
At this point, it appears that my car has some other, pre-existing issues that are causing this condition, so there's no way that these results can be taken as a true representation of the parts I've installed. We are still running the Renntech tuning that was designed for headers and pulley, even though we have FAR eclipsed those mods. We're going to start from scratch and troubleshoot the car starting with the basics like a leakdown test, basic tuneup and sensor checks. At the same time, I'm desperately trying to find a source to write a custom tune for the car to see if we can cure some of these issues.
I'm sorry I couldn't report some great success, but it appears my car is determined not to cooperate. I'm sure once I get my issues sorted out, I'll be able to report back with much better news. Keep your fingers crossed for me!!
08-02-2007, 11:54 PM
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It sucks when you expect to see an increase and you get a decrese. I hope you get it figured out. Is there any possibilty you have a torque limiter. When that reflash hit me I was pushing for more hp it really showed up when I hit a certain point, BAM, I took a drastic dive in hp.
08-03-2007, 01:08 AM
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Right now, the car is running SO RICH, that I have to assume there is either a sensor or tune issue. I can't see how the belt wrap kit could be responsible for any of that. As far as the torque limiting issue, I wouldn't think it would have an effect on the A/F ratio. Whatever it is, it seems to get worse the more air we feed the car. 
08-03-2007, 01:27 AM
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06 E55, 03FORD P/S,01 E320-4M,99 ML320,O4 E55,05 RUBICON UNLIMITED,
installed my d-wrap kit on sat. evosport pulley and 56" belt= one burnt up belt. i had to keep the 54" belt and make a custom(quick) bracket to mate the manual tensioner to the a/t tensioner mounting point. went out and drove veichle today and i'm really impressed.i don't know if it's because of the extra boost from the pulley but the car really pulls now. i have never done a dyno and i'm gonna try and take the car out to the track pretty soon. but back to the d-wrap, the 56" belt would slip badly even w/ the manual tensioner all the tight. the 54" belt doesn't allow the tensioner to ride as low as it should,in my case, but the kit should work for most applications with a little modifying here or there w/ diff pulley sizes.
08-03-2007, 11:37 AM
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Hmmm...Those things make ME worried...I dont want or cant afford (I am too far away) to any probs once my kit arrives and rightnow I dont see one person who havent had any probs with intsallation and making this kit work...
It depressing since here not one would be able to help ME nor I would be able to find right belt if there is any issues...
Victor have actually runned that kit on your car, did you try to intsall everything with ASP pullies ??? What is the situation right NOW ???
It depressing since here not one would be able to help ME nor I would be able to find right belt if there is any issues...
Victor have actually runned that kit on your car, did you try to intsall everything with ASP pullies ??? What is the situation right NOW ???
08-04-2007, 09:33 AM
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Hmmm...Those things make ME worried...I dont want or cant afford (I am too far away) to any probs once my kit arrives and rightnow I dont see one person who havent had any probs with intsallation and making this kit work...
It depressing since here not one would be able to help ME nor I would be able to find right belt if there is any issues...
Victor have actually runned that kit on your car, did you try to intsall everything with ASP pullies ??? What is the situation right NOW ???
It depressing since here not one would be able to help ME nor I would be able to find right belt if there is any issues...
Victor have actually runned that kit on your car, did you try to intsall everything with ASP pullies ??? What is the situation right NOW ???
Any Updates anyone????
Roland
08-04-2007, 02:33 PM
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Hi E55 RUSS! Sorry to be off topic, but... Just wondered where is the E55 video you said you would post a while ago??
This one:
press on the link near the picture...The police is very angy with Streetracers now...they keep braking Moscow ring speed records...
I will post some vids of my freind E55 drifting later in city center later and then pics after he crashed...
https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/200497-has-any-one-seen-russian-street-race.html
This one:
press on the link near the picture...The police is very angy with Streetracers now...they keep braking Moscow ring speed records...
I will post some vids of my freind E55 drifting later in city center later and then pics after he crashed...
https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/200497-has-any-one-seen-russian-street-race.html
08-05-2007, 12:04 PM
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05 ML-500 , 03 CLK5.5 AMG has left the Garage
PTE's take on Extreme Belt Wrap Kit (DQR)
Well lets dispell some myths , with some good old common knowledge. I'm going to keep it simple. I look at add on kits , as a fix to a known issue. Belt slip. Admitted by AMG TECH aka (Clouser Hoser) from the little black forest outside of Stuggart.
Ok what is DQR Durability , Quality & Reliability.
This Motor design has exceptional crankshaft main bearing Support. 4 cap screws vertical into the mainbearing cap , 1 screw on each side of the Crankcase = 2 more . total of 6 mainbearingcap attachment screws. BTW a screw is a screw , until it has a nut on it , then it becomes a BOLT
Just look at Finny's engine pics. 1st attachment.
If you are worried about the additional side load on the engines front main bearing , Don't be. I would say that the load would be the same or less. Why ? with the additional contact of patch area , you would need less belt tension to maintain proper belt adhesion and keep slip to a minimum. The same goes for the Kompressor Clutch & belt wrap. Besides that! you got the engine accessory drive belt. Alt , A/C , P/S & water pump pulling the otherway. It has a wrap , routing ,you damn near need a GPS to get all its locations right
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Why does it have an additional add on barrel type tensioner , stop gap assurance for those really oversize crank pulleys that Make much more the stock Kompressor PSI.
Is there a down side to this kit. Well the belt idler pulley in between the Crank Pulley & the Kompressor pulley . It is taking the load. BUT. it is made of 6061-t6 billet alum stock, That is very good ( About the best) and its bearing is sized to handle twice the capacity of the stock belt tensioner pulley. I believe they got it covered !
Quality: Any Time some one uses 6060-t6 heat treated alum , Thats a good sign . Thats shown in the pulleys , & bushings. along with the brackets & pulley support Struts/ bars. As for the attachment hardware, I would have perferred the use of Hi Carbon steel,with black oxide coating. (Cheaper & very strong Grade 8) rolled threads , instead of Cut threads or 17-4 HT S.S. (very expensive). They did the right application on the Double polyvee idler pullies. That is a critical load & stress attachment point. The other 2 screws look to be off the shelf 305 S.S. Which can Move. if not locktited properly. My Guess is that they are not as critical, Odering matching hi-carbon steel bolts from Halo-Allen was cost prohibitive.
Reliability : The above all adds up to a very good solution to a MB design that would only satisfy 80% of its customers. The other 20% (Thats us) we have a good fix for our needs. I give it a 2 thumbs up!
gotta go my meds are running low 
___PTE___
Ok what is DQR Durability , Quality & Reliability.
This Motor design has exceptional crankshaft main bearing Support. 4 cap screws vertical into the mainbearing cap , 1 screw on each side of the Crankcase = 2 more . total of 6 mainbearingcap attachment screws. BTW a screw is a screw , until it has a nut on it , then it becomes a BOLT
Just look at Finny's engine pics. 1st attachment.If you are worried about the additional side load on the engines front main bearing , Don't be. I would say that the load would be the same or less. Why ? with the additional contact of patch area , you would need less belt tension to maintain proper belt adhesion and keep slip to a minimum. The same goes for the Kompressor Clutch & belt wrap. Besides that! you got the engine accessory drive belt. Alt , A/C , P/S & water pump pulling the otherway. It has a wrap , routing ,you damn near need a GPS to get all its locations right
.Why does it have an additional add on barrel type tensioner , stop gap assurance for those really oversize crank pulleys that Make much more the stock Kompressor PSI.
Is there a down side to this kit. Well the belt idler pulley in between the Crank Pulley & the Kompressor pulley . It is taking the load. BUT. it is made of 6061-t6 billet alum stock, That is very good ( About the best) and its bearing is sized to handle twice the capacity of the stock belt tensioner pulley. I believe they got it covered !
Quality: Any Time some one uses 6060-t6 heat treated alum , Thats a good sign . Thats shown in the pulleys , & bushings. along with the brackets & pulley support Struts/ bars. As for the attachment hardware, I would have perferred the use of Hi Carbon steel,with black oxide coating. (Cheaper & very strong Grade 8) rolled threads , instead of Cut threads or 17-4 HT S.S. (very expensive). They did the right application on the Double polyvee idler pullies. That is a critical load & stress attachment point. The other 2 screws look to be off the shelf 305 S.S. Which can Move. if not locktited properly. My Guess is that they are not as critical, Odering matching hi-carbon steel bolts from Halo-Allen was cost prohibitive.
Reliability : The above all adds up to a very good solution to a MB design that would only satisfy 80% of its customers. The other 20% (Thats us) we have a good fix for our needs. I give it a 2 thumbs up!
gotta go my meds are running low ___PTE___
08-05-2007, 03:23 PM
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Everything sounds good...I cant wait to install my kit along with TB but what worries ME is the BELT SIZE...Lots of people have issues...Some use 54 and say 56 will be slipping, other say 56 is what you need
I need to get all belt btw 54 and 56
so I want have any disapontment when installing this kit, cuase I wont find a right belt here for sure
I need to get all belt btw 54 and 56 so I want have any disapontment when installing this kit, cuase I wont find a right belt here for sure
08-07-2007, 10:52 AM
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Don,
Can you do some datalogging and capture boost, IAT and ignition advance.. Lets make sure the ECU isnt pulling a fast one on you.
Hey Scott,
Glad you got it all figured out.. I would like to get some more feedback on the burnt belt issue.. are you saying the 56" gave too much slack and was causing it to slip and burn up?
I am trying to figure out what problem your custom bracket solved... Was the Aux tensioner bracket a problem to install or did it not line up or something?
Would appreciate your feedback on this.
Can you do some datalogging and capture boost, IAT and ignition advance.. Lets make sure the ECU isnt pulling a fast one on you.
Well guys, I got my car dyno'd last night, but the results aren't exactly what everyone has been looking and waiting for. For some reason, I LOST about 30rwhp with only the VRP belt wrap kit. My A/F ratios went even farther off the rich side of the scale than they were before.
At this point, it appears that my car has some other, pre-existing issues that are causing this condition, so there's no way that these results can be taken as a true representation of the parts I've installed. We are still running the Renntech tuning that was designed for headers and pulley, even though we have FAR eclipsed those mods. We're going to start from scratch and troubleshoot the car starting with the basics like a leakdown test, basic tuneup and sensor checks. At the same time, I'm desperately trying to find a source to write a custom tune for the car to see if we can cure some of these issues.
I'm sorry I couldn't report some great success, but it appears my car is determined not to cooperate. I'm sure once I get my issues sorted out, I'll be able to report back with much better news. Keep your fingers crossed for me!!
At this point, it appears that my car has some other, pre-existing issues that are causing this condition, so there's no way that these results can be taken as a true representation of the parts I've installed. We are still running the Renntech tuning that was designed for headers and pulley, even though we have FAR eclipsed those mods. We're going to start from scratch and troubleshoot the car starting with the basics like a leakdown test, basic tuneup and sensor checks. At the same time, I'm desperately trying to find a source to write a custom tune for the car to see if we can cure some of these issues.
I'm sorry I couldn't report some great success, but it appears my car is determined not to cooperate. I'm sure once I get my issues sorted out, I'll be able to report back with much better news. Keep your fingers crossed for me!!
Glad you got it all figured out.. I would like to get some more feedback on the burnt belt issue.. are you saying the 56" gave too much slack and was causing it to slip and burn up?
I am trying to figure out what problem your custom bracket solved... Was the Aux tensioner bracket a problem to install or did it not line up or something?
Would appreciate your feedback on this.
Originally Posted by MBTEK
installed my d-wrap kit on sat. evosport pulley and 56" belt= one burnt up belt. i had to keep the 54" belt and make a custom(quick) bracket to mate the manual tensioner to the a/t tensioner mounting point. went out and drove veichle today and i'm really impressed.i don't know if it's because of the extra boost from the pulley but the car really pulls now. i have never done a dyno and i'm gonna try and take the car out to the track pretty soon. but back to the d-wrap, the 56" belt would slip badly even w/ the manual tensioner all the tight. the 54" belt doesn't allow the tensioner to ride as low as it should,in my case, but the kit should work for most applications with a little modifying here or there w/ diff pulley sizes.
