W211 AMG Discuss the W211 AMG's such as the E55 and the E63

Long burn outs? Not.

Old Jul 18, 2007 | 09:55 AM
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Long burn outs? Not.

Went out yesterday to waste what's left of my old rear tires before having the new ones mounted and was very disappointed in the outcome. I KNOW this car has enough power to spin the tires through 2nd gear but it won't.

I put the car in manual mode, 1st. gear. Stomp the gas and before I can shift into 2nd the car seems to fall off and quit spinning the tires. Not sure what's going one here but it feels like the car is short shifting on it's own and falling out of the power range. They break loose very easy and spin nicely for about 50 ft. but that's it. What's going on here?
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 10:05 AM
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Don't mean any disrespect, but ESP was off correct? Next step would be optimizing the adaptive throttle. Everyone here calls it "throttle reset".

If those don't work, then your IC pump is going.
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 10:10 AM
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What Newton is talking about is the Sneaky ECU reset. do a search, I hear it works wonders for putting your adaptive tranny in the most aggressive setting. I still need to try this!

Also, with ESP off the car will not hinder the throttle, but it will still apply brakes if the computer thinks you are out of control, so try dyno mode... do a search for how to put the car in dyno mode. In dyno mode the computer will not hinder the throttle or apply brakes, also you lose ABS so watch out!

That is the way I understand it someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 10:17 AM
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Yes, the sneaky ECU reset, but it's a technically incorrect term as in actuality, you're just fooling the throttle that you're flooring it.

I don't drive a E55, but I do know those cars can roast tires without effort. My guess would be a going pump, but others will chime in.
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 12:06 PM
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Sounds like driver is a novice. I have a 254 ft burn out up my st. you can come over anytime to measure it! lolololololo that was on old conti's though.
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 12:16 PM
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Jeez BMWEATER, let's spread some love and kindness here! No need to suggest the guy is a novice driver... Maybe there's something wrong with dude's car or something. Let's exhaust polite possiblities before bringing out the novice driver talk!

Three things that really **** men off: accusing them of being bad in bed, accusing them of being unable to fight, and accusing them of being bad drivers. Not sure why everyone thinks that they are all capable in these categories, but why throw the guy down? And how much freaking skill does it take to do crazy burnouts in our E55z? Step one, turn of EPS (or preferably go to dyno mode. Step two, mash throttle. Step three, laugh maniacally.

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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 02:42 PM
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personally, rolling burnouts are way cooler than standing start...then everyone knows you couldn't be dropping the clutch
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 02:50 PM
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personally, rolling burnouts are way cooler than standing start...then everyone knows you couldn't be dropping the clutch
Well, because you don't have one to speak of

SMG burnouts FTW!!!
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 04:56 PM
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Rev limiter kicking in?
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 05:08 PM
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I don't think it's the IC pump as the car has only 15,000 miles and runs strong. I've done the "sneaky ECU reset" and had the esp turned off and was watching the tach to avoid the limiter. I'm confused because this car seems to have plenty of power to rip off a 250 ft. burn out but won't. It feels like the esp starts to work as I approach higher rpms even though it's turned off.

I'm not an inexperienced driver and will put my driving skills up against anybody on this forum. Road course, drag strip or street! Bring it on, bring cash.

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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Skeeter
Jeez BMWEATER, let's spread some love and kindness here! No need to suggest the guy is a novice driver... Maybe there's something wrong with dude's car or something. Let's exhaust polite possiblities before bringing out the novice driver talk!

Three things that really **** men off: accusing them of being bad in bed, accusing them of being unable to fight, and accusing them of being bad drivers. Not sure why everyone thinks that they are all capable in these categories, but why throw the guy down? And how much freaking skill does it take to do crazy burnouts in our E55z? Step one, turn of EPS (or preferably go to dyno mode. Step two, mash throttle. Step three, laugh maniacally.

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ok, ok but didn't you also call him a novice in a round about way?

And how much freaking skill does it take to do crazy burnouts in our E55z? Step one, turn of EPS (or preferably go to dyno mode. Step two, mash throttle. Step three, laugh maniacally.
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by speedpeddler
I don't think it's the IC pump as the car has only 15,000 miles and runs strong. I've done the "sneaky ECU reset" and had the esp turned off and was watching the tach to avoid the limiter. I'm confused because this car seems to have plenty of power to rip off a 250 ft. burn out but won't. It feels like the esp starts to work as I approach higher rpms even though it's turned off.

I'm not an inexperienced driver and will put my driving skills up against anybody on this forum. Road course, drag strip or street! Bring it on, bring cash.
ok you have a shifter kart so your cool in my book and so here it goes

1. what kind of wheels? stock? or 20's? if 20's thats your problem.
2. what kind of tires? contis? or better? if better than that can lead to your problem
3. maybe the ecu was in cruz'n mode I have had this problem before.
4. how hot was it out? temp up= softer tire+sticky pavement=more traction?
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by BMWEATR
ok you have a shifter kart so your cool in my book and so here it goes

1. what kind of wheels? stock? or 20's? if 20's thats your problem.
2. what kind of tires? contis? or better? if better than that can lead to your problem
3. maybe the ecu was in cruz'n mode I have had this problem before.
4. how hot was it out? temp up= softer tire+sticky pavement=more traction?
Stock wheels, worn out Conti's, 93 degrees and humid as hell, a/c on, and grippy pavement. I'm not familiar with "dyno" mode?
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by speedpeddler
Stock wheels, worn out Conti's, 93 degrees and humid as hell, a/c on, and grippy pavement. I'm not familiar with "dyno" mode?
I believe on dry pavement, traction is actually improved with worn out tires (more contact patch, less tread). The 93 degrees and humid weather doesn't help either. Try turning A/C off (I live in Houston, and I've done it, you won't die).

As for dyno mode, I believe you would turn the key to the on position (fuel pump starts running, but engine is still off) and press the R (reset odometer button) three times rapidly. You should be able to access a menu. Scroll through the menu with your steering buttons and one of the them should allow you to enable dyno mode. Careful, dyno mode turns off everything including ABS and airbags.
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 05:39 PM
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At least get it on video!!!!!!
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by speedpeddler
Went out yesterday to waste what's left of my old rear tires before having the new ones mounted and was very disappointed in the outcome. I KNOW this car has enough power to spin the tires through 2nd gear but it won't.

I put the car in manual mode, 1st. gear. Stomp the gas and before I can shift into 2nd the car seems to fall off and quit spinning the tires. Not sure what's going one here but it feels like the car is short shifting on it's own and falling out of the power range. They break loose very easy and spin nicely for about 50 ft. but that's it. What's going on here?
I did the exact same thing when the stock Contis were at the end of their life on my car. Felt like a teenager again, just smoking the tires for about 10-15 minutes out in BFE. My replacements had come in and were being put on the next day. Well, the next morning I went to take the car to the tire shop and found that I had removed enough rubber that the steel belts blew out through the tread overnight on the passenger side. Had to flatbed it to the tire store.

As these guys said, you should be able to really smoke them. Skeeter told me you can't fight or f!@# worth a ****, which is OK, but it doesn't take Danica Patrick to light up the E. Turn in your man card immediately.

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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 08:29 AM
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OK, I surrender and admit I can't drive, can't f--k, my kids are failures and my AMG is a dog. However, I will do my best to implement all the suggestions offered here and report back on my feeble attempts to smoke some tires.

By the way, how do you get back out of dyno mode?
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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by speedpeddler
OK, I surrender and admit I can't drive, can't f--k, my kids are failures and my AMG is a dog. However, I will do my best to implement all the suggestions offered here and report back on my feeble attempts to smoke some tires.

By the way, how do you get back out of dyno mode?
Repeat and go back to the menu and disable. I don't have dyno mode so I wouldn't know, but does it automatically reset after you have reset (shut off and turn back on) the car?
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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by speedpeddler
OK, I surrender and admit I can't drive, can't f--k, my kids are failures and my AMG is a dog. However, I will do my best to implement all the suggestions offered here and report back on my feeble attempts to smoke some tires.

By the way, how do you get back out of dyno mode?
from what i understand, the same way you get in...

https://mbworld.org/forums/showthrea...ight=dyno+mode
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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 10:40 AM
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personally, rolling burnouts are way cooler than standing start...then everyone knows you couldn't be dropping the clutch
Sure you could. I could be rolling at 30+ in the Chevelle, clutch it in second, and make a mess of the rear tires for a block or so. He's probably getting ESP chopping power or applying brakes. It's happened in my blown W210 and the W211. Even with ESP switched off, it can and does happen if it doesn't like what the car is doing. Not that you can stare at the dash while you're throttle down, but watch for the triangle to flash. If it does, that's the problem. There's no way short of dyno mode to completely turn ESP off.
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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 05:41 PM
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Although I don't have the can't burnout at all problem, my ESP will engage even when turned off, just not as soon or as violent. Mine will not allow me to go smoky all the way to 2nd ....unless I am in dyno mode!
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Old Jul 20, 2007 | 08:15 AM
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You gotta go into dyno mode if you want a real burnout.
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Old Jul 20, 2007 | 09:00 AM
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Although I don't have the can't burnout at all problem, my ESP will engage even when turned off, just not as soon or as violent. Mine will not allow me to go smoky all the way to 2nd ....unless I am in dyno mode!
same goes for me... my esp figures things out around 2nd gear... up until then, its smoke and screeching...
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