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Old 07-26-2007, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by DFW01E55
And I bet you would claim to have nothing to with it turning into bs.
Who lil ole me? Juicee's full of it like a Gustav robot trying to rewrite the history books on the 63 vs the world lol...
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Who lil ole me? Juicee's full of it like a Gustav robot trying to rewrite the history books on the 63 vs the world lol...

Post here....http://forums.corvetteforum.com/zeroforum?id=49
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Ahh you don't like me here telling it like it is about your slow *** 63?too bad guy
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Ahh you don't like me here telling it like it is about your slow *** 63?too bad guy
It's not really that... just feel like you are being unpleasant. If you will apologize to Juicee, you can stay and play.
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It's not really that... just feel like you are being unpleasant. ...
+1 Ricker, you're being a jerk on this thread.
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Originally Posted by DJE55
FWIW i don't think the weight difference is that great. I know our cars are pigs but... I think the Z comes in around 3100lbs and most of the 63's I've seen posted were a little over 4000lbs?
Absolutely not true. I don't know where most of you forum members get your data from. How many have actually seen a track let alone raced their cars. As far as 'REAL" world numbers, the E63 weighs in at well over 4,500. How do I know. I weigh my car after every run at E-town.(Also verified at an auto body scale) I have also confirmed this with other E63 owners who actually weigh their cars.(As for the CLS, I personally do not know anyone who routinely weighs their car, but I assume it is close in weight.)
Regarding 1/4 mile times. I ROUTINELY run 12.5-12.6 in the 115mph range..these are not adjusted but actual times. Not bad for a 4,600lb car.
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Not w/my new HP full tune
Will you be able to beat a stock E55 now?
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Absolutely not true. I don't know where most of you forum members get your data from. How many have actually seen a track let alone raced their cars. As far as 'REAL" world numbers, the E63 weighs in at well over 4,500. How do I know. I weigh my car after every run at E-town.
Man! Has this thread turned into a little ***** fest or what? Why the harsh tone? As you can see by my sig Venom, I've been to the track, raced my car and I've weighed my car. it's no where near 4600lbs. Depending on options, the weight can vary by a couple hundred pounds but not 600? I don't own a 63 and I haven't weighed a 63 so I'm going strictly off the E55 numbers. I am assuming it should be close? MB wouldn't make the 63 slower and fatter would they? Here's a link showing what other 55's have weighed in at.

https://mbworld.org/forums/showthrea...E55%27s+weight

We are all just sharing a bit of info on these boards. "Can't we all just get along?"
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Mercedes website states that E63 has curb weight of 4035 lbs and that is without a passenger. If Venom is in his car and he weighs 250 lbs and has a pano roof then the car probably weighs close to 4,500 lbs. Just need to clarify the math. Hpefully it is not 4,600.
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Will you be able to beat a stock E55 now?
I'll do better than that 3.90 gears + headers coming soooon 400+rwhp

& don't forget in (2) of those races I hung right there w/Vadim 40-140

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Originally Posted by sack5000
It's not really that... just feel like you are being unpleasant. If you will apologize to Juicee, you can stay and play.
I hear ya! I appreciate all perf cars (especially AMG's & Bi-Turbos!!), it's just me & Juice have traded paint in the past & I'm venting a bit sorry...

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That's funny. I raced a 63 yesterday morning in my Z06. Wasn't even close. Beautiful car though. From 60-90 was about 3 car lengths. The Renntech 55 I raced didn't do any better though. Only my buddies Ford GT can hang.
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Originally Posted by Thericker
I hear ya! I appreciate all perf cars (especially AMG's & Bi-Turbos!!), it's just me & Juice have traded paint in the past & I'm venting a bit sorry...
You should read the original post in the thread, it said nothing about LACR, me beating the Z, I was not being a braggart. I was relaying the opinion of the drivers utilizing the cars in the show.

I thought other 63, Mercedes owners would be interested in what was said, I WAS SUPRISED at the outcome and the opinion that was formed.

I was very excited to see the E63 infront of the multi-camera setup, and my post did not say the 63 dusted off the Z, just that in was impressive.

My personal experience whilst nubile is still plays a large part in forming my opinion. I thought you guys would be happy your AMG was king for two weeks on Dirty Sexy Money . I was thrilled some other folks had discovered the sleeper nature of the E class AMG.

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Originally Posted by WayneE
Most people who post here are too old for fairy tales. Say something that doesn't make sense, be prepared to be called out on it.

Juice is an appropriate name for the OP, since it seems he's had too much Kool-aid.

What doesn't make sense?

Some guys drove around an E63 on a TV show, some guys drove around a Z06. The guys liked the 63 better and thought it felt faster. Who are you calling out? What did I post that I should be "called out on"? The facts are not tales they are real life experience , mine and people I work with everyday. They do not give a crap about the E63 just thought it was more of a car than expected. How can this be a fairy tale when you own a similar ride? You obviously like the E? Could you beat a Z06 from a dig? up to 60? Would you be obliterated? What others percieve and believe about my brand is important to me. Respected drivers who experience different cars every two weeks showed enthusiasm over the E., They drive much more capable cars, but truly loved the 63. Thats all .

Had the Z06 destroyed the E63 it would have made no difference. The POINT is they have LOVE for this sedan, and respect the level of comfort and speed to a degree that would cause them to perhaps make a purchase. Thats cool in my book

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Originally Posted by DJE55
Man! Has this thread turned into a little ***** fest or what? Why the harsh tone? As you can see by my sig Venom, I've been to the track, raced my car and I've weighed my car. it's no where near 4600lbs. Depending on options, the weight can vary by a couple hundred pounds but not 600? I don't own a 63 and I haven't weighed a 63 so I'm going strictly off the E55 numbers. I am assuming it should be close? MB wouldn't make the 63 slower and fatter would they? Here's a link showing what other 55's have weighed in at.

https://mbworld.org/forums/showthrea...E55%27s+weight

We are all just sharing a bit of info on these boards. "Can't we all just get along?"
DJE55, I apologize if you think my tone was harsh but believe me I was not singling you out. I could see you have been to the track, it just seems that alot of members
just go by 'seat of the pants' feel or by what they read in magazines. I also know that one car can differ from another, even with the same options. It's the real world numbers we should be interested in. That being said, it was questioned since day one whether the 63 'really' puts out 507hp or that it is not as fast as the 55(forget the Z06,I have seen several at the track 63 or 55 doesn't matter,the Z smokes both). Anyway I could only attest to my car and I said from day 1 the 63 is 200-250lbs heavier than the 55)I don't care what MB says, I have seen 'real' world numbers. That alone accounts for .2-.3 sec in the 1/4. Even so for my 63 to run 12.5 at 115+ I have to be producing AT LEAST 507HP.

P.S. Will be at E-town either WED(8/1) or FRI(8/3) weather pending if anyone is interested and wants confirmation of my #'s.

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Originally Posted by sack5000
Mercedes website states that E63 has curb weight of 4035 lbs and that is without a passenger. If Venom is in his car and he weighs 250 lbs and has a pano roof then the car probably weighs close to 4,500 lbs. Just need to clarify the math. Hpefully it is not 4,600.
sack, unfortunately it is true:
My E63 w/o driver 4,325lbs
My E63 w/ me in it 4,570 (I round up to 4,600)

Have P2 package, parktronic, electric trunk release, NO PANO

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Venom, the 4300lbs number makes more sense all though it's the heaviest I've seen. When we were talking weight, you don't include the driver because the cancel each other out. The delta between the Vette and the E55/63 isn't 1600lbs, that was my point.

You should try to come down on Oct 8th to MIR. We have the track all day and we already have a couple of guys from up north coming down. Check out that thread and bring the 63 down. I think so far we only have one 63 signed up.
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Originally Posted by 05VENOM
sack, unfortunately it is true:
My E63 w/o driver 4,325lbs
My E63 w/ me in it 4,570 (I round up to 4,600)

Have P2 package, parktronic, electric trunk release, NO PANO

Interesting numbers - how much fuel?. I'll try to hit the scales this week in my car. My '55 is a pano car with everything except park/distronic and trunk closer.
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Originally Posted by 05VENOM
sack, unfortunately it is true:
My E63 w/o driver 4,325lbs
My E63 w/ me in it 4,570 (I round up to 4,600)

Have P2 package, parktronic, electric trunk release, NO PANO
Venom, I assume that this is with less than a 1/2 tank of fuel, correct?

My car usually weighs in anywhere from 4,320 to 4,350 lbs on the scale, with me in it. That 250 lbs of extra weight that you are carrying is costing you, comparatively, 2/10ths.

I am going to try to make it down next Friday (8/3). Maybe this time, I will be able to get out of the office on time.
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Juice, sorry to see you take a beating over this.

You coming up to sacto any time soon???

I should get my third and final SL65 tune soon...

Scott
Hey my Brother, I would LOVE TO JOIN YOU @ sac or Infineon.

Fall is coming, football and racing WOOHOO.

I miss your DA calculator

I cannot wait to see your 65 run or any of your other cars.

Your a class act thanks for your support!
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Originally Posted by WayneE
Interesting numbers - how much fuel?. I'll try to hit the scales this week in my car. My '55 is a pano car with everything except park/distronic and trunk closer.

Your car is a classic beaut! I bet its a bit heavier than you think due to the PANO roof. This makes your 1/4 mile runs more impressive. We should all weigh our cars. Mine is missing some parts and will be going through Jenny Craig(custom rims) 18 lbs per corner loss! I think the cars make the advertised power but they are also heavier than advertised.
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Originally Posted by 05VENOM
sack, unfortunately it is true:
My E63 w/o driver 4,325lbs
My E63 w/ me in it 4,570 (I round up to 4,600)

Have P2 package, parktronic, electric trunk release, NO PANO

Wow, I did not realize your car was nearly as heavy as mine!!

Did you ever get her into DYNO MODE?
I would imagine your going to hit 12.3@117 this fall likely with consistancy.

Let me know the video to dyno mode is here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3D1yvH9T98
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blah blah blah... I think if you show E63 beating Z06 in your first episode you should sucseed in TV market look how many responds you got here lol
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