F10 M5

also stock m5 that ran against the stock e55 was in S5 mode. the M5 would have pulled a little more in S6.

ProjectC55

Then other than the LC control and the Charcoal filters why are many of us seeing different results here in the United States?

We are not seeing things and we're not blind. We've been doing these runs over and over and over again over here in different parts of the US.



Why do they run different over here in the US as ooposed to Europe and Eastern Europe? Please xplain Sleeper X's and AMG_ Riders E55's as well.

TopGun32

true..

but a healthy running E55 with a properly working IC pump could do much better.

either way... it was a nice representation of stock cars.

Running hard in Dallas with a bad IC pump probably is not a good idea.

memo to Ray e55: Johnson Pump is only $69 and will keep your ITA temps down to avoid kompressor shut off.

mosesgolf

Darren Dallas is one class act. A humble winner who never gloats nor puts down another car/driver. Heck he even makes excuses why the other car didn't do better.

Anyways, thanks for the videos.
I gotta get me a set of those pulleys.

bfnnrgn

So who all do we have interested in the event? I hope Darren is able to pull something together; us folks in DFW never do anything. Perhaps if it's a success we can make it an annual deal?

chiromikey

i'm interested...so if anyone will be passing through phoenix on their way and they just happen to have room on their 4 car transport with camper i'd love to hitch a ride.

darren_dallas

I have the airstrip on hold for September 9th. I'm scheduled to meet with the airport management on Wednesday morning to walk and drive the runway to see how much of it is usable.

I'd like to be able to run the cars for 1/2 - 3/4 of a mile and use the excess for slowdown and turn around distance. The Director is telling me I should be able to use 4,000-4,500 feet of the 7,000 runway safely. I'm hoping it's more like 5,000 feet of good runway so we can run all the way to 4,000 feet and use 1,000 feet for stopping.

I'll post back on the forum and create a new thread on Wednesday after I get back from viewing the airport. Then I can start taking names on who can join from mbworld.org.

Stay tuned...

Cheers,

Darren

juicee63

WOOOOHOO a dream come true. I can stop on my way to MIR.

RACE_MX

+1 . I was filming the runs vs the E55 in Darren's car. We did several runs to make sure it was all legit. I think we were all a little surprised the E55 did not do better and Darren was the first to offer comments about the supercharger, pump, heatsoak, etc. - and Ray was praising Darren's M the whole time. Both class acts if you ask me.

chiromikey

i'm worried about dallas in september. i lived there for 3 years and hated every summer day because of the heat and humidity. any chance of having the event a little further out to allow for cooler weather and more planning time for those that may have to do some travelling to get there?

darren_dallas

If all goes well with the first one we will definitely have more on a regular basis. We've actually had a very light summer, so far only one week of 100 degree temps.

The event is 3 weeks away and in September the average high temperature is mid 80's with 65's overnight. We should be looking at good temps for the runs.

Hope you can make it. We'll totally host you chiromikey...you won't need to do anything except get your awesome car over here!

Cheers,

Darren

E55 RUSS

What diffrent results ???...Stock M5 will beat Stock E55 especially after 120 anywhere in the world !!!...Not talking on the track, in rear world, where E55 has problem to use all the torgues + you seen this in the Darrens videos and you say you are not blind

The thing is that we run our car up to 200 mph and the higher the speed the bigger the gap coould be...and by this time E55 has a lot of heat soak...Plus everyrace could be different, you need good driver to be able to drive M5 properly and to launch good and I happan to have a friend who races his M5 very often and does quite good...He cant beat ME in 1/4 or to 0-170...but I feel that rolling start he would pass ME...and now he even has better 1/4 times in our ****ty track then ME...12.35 and btw us stock E55 cant do better then 12.9-13.2 there, my best 12.4...we dont have clue there...

If you read carefully what I said prevously...I said THAT havent been beaten by mod M5 in 1/4 or from a dig to 170+...nor mod M6 could beat ME in 1/4 but it did beat ME rolling start...

Show ME one video in US where mod M6 runing against mod E55 ???

And one more thing SleeperX 55 has more power then ME and most important he has IC mods which mandatory for long WOT runs in mod e55s + he didnt races M5 higher then 150-160...

I will some more testing soon and will post the videos...

ProjectC55

OK I'm trying my best to read what you typed but I have to read it twice
. While I'm not denying your personnal findings ,please don't deny mines.

1. The race between Avery in the modded M5 vs Sleeperx's E55 was over 160mph. Or were you there?

2.Jidex was there following them so you can ask him and SleeperX.

3. One of the fastest 1/4mile stck E55's we have here is owned by Enzom(11.7@118mph) Oops my bad(edit) 11.8@ 118mph.

4. Have you witnessed any runs in the US personally since you r saying that the results will be consistant world wide?

5. AMG_Rider has personally raced modded M5's in an undisclosed area and the results from rolling starts to speeds over 160mph were all the same with him pulling away!

6. Unless you've been here to witness ,please don't tell us what we see unless you have some kind of Super Telescope or witnesses YOU know!

7. Perhaps SleeperX and AMG_Rider can chime in.

8. As soon as some one show's up in an M6 that's modded more than Jidex's M6 we will find out.

9. If you read Darren's thread carefully he states over and over and over again that the E55 had problems which prevented it from running to it's full potential.

Waiting for a response!

AMG Rider

Then, get urself some IC mods and get rid of ur heavy *** Carlsson rims! simple! videos coming soon....i guess...im sick and tired of listening this crap...i have bunch of friends with M5, so i could run them whenever...i will say it one more time...stock M5 vs stock E55, M5 would pass after 90-100mph (2 car length)...stock M5/modded M5 vs Modded E55...E55 would win

BlownV8

Russ,

Did you see the video where the M5 pulled instantly on the E55? They started from relatively low speeds and he pulled 5+ cars before 120 mph. When you pull that hard at such a low speed, there has to be a HUGE discrepency in power. The M5 would have had a tougher race against an E550 than the E55 in the rolling video.

The E55's performance is an open and shut case of failing intercooler pump. It's often hard to tell unless you take it to the dyno or your car shuts down and goes into limp home mode. A healthy E55 would fare much better in the videos.

kip

Yes after 120mph, but before that its more up to the launch. The CLS55 racing an M6 was crazy, M5 1/4 race would have been different. Here is just one objective 1/4 mile comparison.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaZ7W_yVfOo

AMG Rider

i think its due to his IC pump and he didnt downshift in S/M modes...he could've done little better with those..but, M5 would pull away above 90-100 mph on stock E55...

SleeperX

+1
E55 RUSS,
If M5s are catching up to you over 160mph I think you have heat soak issues. I have raced M5s and I can tell you that as the speed increases so does the car lengths that I put between myself and them. I can assure you that in the race that Jidex filmed of me vs. the white M5 I purposely kept going (past 160mph) in order to see what would happen. Take a look at the video that was filmed from my car.. (with a passenger in it vs. no passengers in the M5).

enzom

First off, most of you guys know me. I don't wave flags around professing that my car (I, like some of you, have had many) is king. I have lots of respect for the M5 and would be an owner today if the car had come out sooner in the US.

Just some observations. The E55 lost. Whether it was b/c it was sick, heat soak, etc., doesn't matter. It lost. And this heat soak problem is starting to **** me off. I hot-lapped in 84 degree whether and had no problems. Why can't MB realize that some of them are not working correctly and rectify the problem without the need for stored fault codes.

And I am not surpised that it lost, but am a bit surprised that it fell on its face. It isn't because I "think" something different should have happened. It is because my data tells me something else. I hit the drag strip pretty often. And I check my timeslips to see how my car runs. I've compared my slips to lots of different timeslips, especially those posted by M5's. In looking at my E55's top end performance, my time and speed deltas (deltae?) between the 1/8th mile and 1/4 mile are no worse, and usually better, than those of any M5. At that point on the strip, the low-end torque of the 55 motor is not helping at all. (BTW, E55's go through the traps in 3rd gear @ about 114-117 mph. Not sure how fast these races were, but it didn't look like the cars were going fast enough to have hit 4th in the E55.)

Does anyone have an explanation as to why a car that seems to have comparable top end at the strip seems to lack it on the street? Forget that my car may be stronger than others, etc., I am honestly looking for a reason why top end at the track may not translate into top end on the street.

SleeperX

Darren,
Very nice videos. Stock for stock, I do believe that the M5 could beat the E55 at higher speeds from a roll. Especially in the middle of summer.. Let these videos be a lesson for E55 owners. Get a larger pulley, ECU tune, and an additional heat exchanger at a minimum..

kip

Other 0bjective! 1/4 results also M6 included.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...2003134349.pdf

http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...data_panel.pdf

Caranddriver:
E55
0 to 60 in 4.3 seconds, 0 to 100 in 9.9, 0 to 150 in 24.5, and the quarter in 12.5 seconds at 116 mph

M5 smg

0 to 60 4.2
12.5 at 118

DFW01E55

Wooohooo!
This will be a busy event, MB World guys better rsvp quickly or the M5 and 6speed guys will be all over it.

ProjectC55

1700 miles from NYC! Damn! Would be nice to transport some cars down there by Amtrak! Should not be that expensive plus I love Dallas TX. It's beautiful. Better for us to go in OCT(70's to high 80's),or NOV when the temp starts hitting high 50's and 60's.

darren_dallas

Enzom,

I like your approach comparing 1/8 mile and 1/4 mile times...that should tell us something about acceleration and gearing differences. I haven't reviewed them to give an opinion.

I think launching the E55 is easier (which is a good thing) and affects 1/4 mile times in favor of the AMG. Also, I think there is simply much more data at the drag strip for the E55's to learn from. I don't think enough M5 owners (current generation, E60 model) go to the drag strip, I wish they would.

Driving the M5 is a humbling experience because if don't really learn how to drive the car you'll absolutely get your butt handed to you every time you meet an x55 Kompressor car. I wonder how many of the M5 owners that have been raced out in the wild actually know how to drive their cars?? Don't get me wrong, there are many that do, but let me tell you first hand...there are many who don't. Some people aren't even rev'ing their engine above 7k rpm...it's just so unnatural to many of us when we first get the car so we end up shifting at 6k-6.5k because the car sounds like it's about to explode.

In the end, I have no idea why we got a different result. I really now think Ray needs to get his car to the shop and get the IC pump replaced.

I will tell you though, running on the highway with my E55 K4 did not have good race results at high-speeds. Got waxed a few times and it had to be due to heat inefficiencies of the Kompressor motor with extra boost.

Regards,

Darren

darren_dallas

I hope you can make it now that I have it set for Sept 9th. I'll post an official sign-up sheet on Wednesday after I meet with the airport Director and actually drive the runway to determine usable length. I hope we can get 4,500+ feet so we can at least do a 3/4 mile run and have a safe stopping distance afterward.

Cheers,

Darren