BMW M5 Twin Turbo and M7 Prototypes Spied
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BMW M5 Twin Turbo and M7 Prototypes Spied
sorry if a repost:
http://www.worldcarfans.com/9070910....ototypes-spied
and this:
"Last month, BRABUS teased everyone with a photo of a covered vehicle they said would be the ultimate "wolf in sheep's clothing." Today, they officially announced what that vehicle is. Say hello to the BRABUS Bullit, a Mercedes-Benz C-Class sedan that is the beneficiary of the utterly monstrous BRABUS SV12 S Biturbo engine transplant. Put plainly, that makes this rather understated-looking (for BRABUS, at least) sedan one of the fastest cars in the world, period.
Power from the twin-turbocharged V12 is a staggering 720 horses and an even more mind-numbing 974 lb-ft of torque. For the sake of tractability, BRABUS electronically limits the peak available torque at "only" 811 lb-ft. Still, you'd better have a substantial tire budget set aside, as you'll (literally) be burning through it very quickly. A heavily-modified 5-speed automatic with a BRABUS locking rear differential sends power rearward. Two different final drive ratios are offered, as well -- 2.65:1 or 2.24:1. Naturally, the exhaust, suspension and brakes are all modified as well.
Performance numbers are blistering: 0-62 in 3.9 seconds and a top speed of 224 mph. If have €348,000 handy (and you live in Europe), you can consider yourself to be in the market for one. For complete details and specs on the Bullit, just follow the jump. "
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/09/10/f...brabus-bullit/
http://www.worldcarfans.com/9070910....ototypes-spied
and this:
"Last month, BRABUS teased everyone with a photo of a covered vehicle they said would be the ultimate "wolf in sheep's clothing." Today, they officially announced what that vehicle is. Say hello to the BRABUS Bullit, a Mercedes-Benz C-Class sedan that is the beneficiary of the utterly monstrous BRABUS SV12 S Biturbo engine transplant. Put plainly, that makes this rather understated-looking (for BRABUS, at least) sedan one of the fastest cars in the world, period.
Power from the twin-turbocharged V12 is a staggering 720 horses and an even more mind-numbing 974 lb-ft of torque. For the sake of tractability, BRABUS electronically limits the peak available torque at "only" 811 lb-ft. Still, you'd better have a substantial tire budget set aside, as you'll (literally) be burning through it very quickly. A heavily-modified 5-speed automatic with a BRABUS locking rear differential sends power rearward. Two different final drive ratios are offered, as well -- 2.65:1 or 2.24:1. Naturally, the exhaust, suspension and brakes are all modified as well.
Performance numbers are blistering: 0-62 in 3.9 seconds and a top speed of 224 mph. If have €348,000 handy (and you live in Europe), you can consider yourself to be in the market for one. For complete details and specs on the Bullit, just follow the jump. "
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/09/10/f...brabus-bullit/
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From what I have been told there is a new TT motor coming for future AMG models and its not a V12 (well that motor will still exist too).
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While the added power would be nice I really think mb needs a nice turbo V8 making 600 hp like the rest of the crowd. I dont see 544 being impressive when the rest of the kids on the block have 600+.
From what I have been told there is a new TT motor coming for future AMG models and its not a V12 (well that motor will still exist too).
From what I have been told there is a new TT motor coming for future AMG models and its not a V12 (well that motor will still exist too).
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sorry if a repost:
http://www.worldcarfans.com/9070910....ototypes-spied
and this:
"Last month, BRABUS teased everyone with a photo of a covered vehicle they said would be the ultimate "wolf in sheep's clothing." Today, they officially announced what that vehicle is. Say hello to the BRABUS Bullit, a Mercedes-Benz C-Class sedan that is the beneficiary of the utterly monstrous BRABUS SV12 S Biturbo engine transplant. Put plainly, that makes this rather understated-looking (for BRABUS, at least) sedan one of the fastest cars in the world, period.
Power from the twin-turbocharged V12 is a staggering 720 horses and an even more mind-numbing 974 lb-ft of torque. For the sake of tractability, BRABUS electronically limits the peak available torque at "only" 811 lb-ft. Still, you'd better have a substantial tire budget set aside, as you'll (literally) be burning through it very quickly. A heavily-modified 5-speed automatic with a BRABUS locking rear differential sends power rearward. Two different final drive ratios are offered, as well -- 2.65:1 or 2.24:1. Naturally, the exhaust, suspension and brakes are all modified as well.
Performance numbers are blistering: 0-62 in 3.9 seconds and a top speed of 224 mph. If have €348,000 handy (and you live in Europe), you can consider yourself to be in the market for one. For complete details and specs on the Bullit, just follow the jump. "
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/09/10/f...brabus-bullit/
http://www.worldcarfans.com/9070910....ototypes-spied
and this:
"Last month, BRABUS teased everyone with a photo of a covered vehicle they said would be the ultimate "wolf in sheep's clothing." Today, they officially announced what that vehicle is. Say hello to the BRABUS Bullit, a Mercedes-Benz C-Class sedan that is the beneficiary of the utterly monstrous BRABUS SV12 S Biturbo engine transplant. Put plainly, that makes this rather understated-looking (for BRABUS, at least) sedan one of the fastest cars in the world, period.
Power from the twin-turbocharged V12 is a staggering 720 horses and an even more mind-numbing 974 lb-ft of torque. For the sake of tractability, BRABUS electronically limits the peak available torque at "only" 811 lb-ft. Still, you'd better have a substantial tire budget set aside, as you'll (literally) be burning through it very quickly. A heavily-modified 5-speed automatic with a BRABUS locking rear differential sends power rearward. Two different final drive ratios are offered, as well -- 2.65:1 or 2.24:1. Naturally, the exhaust, suspension and brakes are all modified as well.
Performance numbers are blistering: 0-62 in 3.9 seconds and a top speed of 224 mph. If have €348,000 handy (and you live in Europe), you can consider yourself to be in the market for one. For complete details and specs on the Bullit, just follow the jump. "
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/09/10/f...brabus-bullit/
Okay, now if I only had $500,000
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600hp. How long will the RS 6 hold the throne? Well, most likely until the new Mercedes E 63 AMG is released in mid 2009 with a unconfirmed 544hp,
i dont get it how does 544 hp makes audi NOT hold the throne of 600hp???
i dont get it how does 544 hp makes audi NOT hold the throne of 600hp???
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While the added power would be nice I really think mb needs a nice turbo V8 making 600 hp like the rest of the crowd. I dont see 544 being impressive when the rest of the kids on the block have 600+.
From what I have been told there is a new TT motor coming for future AMG models and its not a V12 (well that motor will still exist too).
From what I have been told there is a new TT motor coming for future AMG models and its not a V12 (well that motor will still exist too).
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From what I hear this new motor should be interesting and may be a bit of a curve ball - in a good way.
But that M5 TT sounds amazing. Sorry but that motor will be hard to pass up since it will finally have some torque and also 600 hp!
HP races are always fun to watch!
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They are able to make that kinda power out of 4.2 to 6.0L V8 motors with ease believe it or not.
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I automatically assumed such a small bump in powe was just on a NA motor. The S63 makes what 523 hp? So to get 20 more HP they went with turbos? You well could be correct but I sure hope that is not the case.
From what I hear this new motor should be interesting and may be a bit of a curve ball - in a good way.
But that M5 TT sounds amazing. Sorry but that motor will be hard to pass up since it will finally have some torque and also 600 hp!
HP races are always fun to watch!
From what I hear this new motor should be interesting and may be a bit of a curve ball - in a good way.
But that M5 TT sounds amazing. Sorry but that motor will be hard to pass up since it will finally have some torque and also 600 hp!
HP races are always fun to watch!
Thats just my opinion,I could very well be wrong.The S63 puts out 518hp,which is close to 544hp.I for one hope they use F/I on the future cars.
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Its not a question of how much they can make per CI on a N/A motor,its how long will it last.High compression,agressive fuel/timing maps and twisting the motor higher on a small CI isnt going to be the answer.Im just hoping they turn to TT for the hp answer on the future motors.Who knows,Im just not seeing it though.
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I've asked Rob on the MB-AMG forums if AMG plans to release any twin turbo version of the 63 engine or any new FI engine setup, but he said no (at least as of yet).
I wouldn't be surprised if that 544 hp is only through a simple ECU tune because he did say one time that the current 63 engine is "easily" tunable to 580 hp
I wouldn't be surprised if that 544 hp is only through a simple ECU tune because he did say one time that the current 63 engine is "easily" tunable to 580 hp
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Ive asked him more times than I cane remember,and I get the same answer you do.I doubt they would slip up a secret like that so early in the game though.
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TT 63 AMG V-8 will come for sure
Don't worry guys, AMG is definitely going to release an all-new AMG Twin-Turbo V-8 in the next couple years, and then ofcourse the V-12's will have to be redone in order to stay ahead of even the TT V-8's.
The RS6's king of the throne status will last only about one year, then AMG will come out with the TT V-8, and BMW will either enlarge the M5/M6 engine to increase power and still stay N/A, or might go with forced induction to stay competitive. Either way, we will see these cars just get faster and faster for sure. Also Lambo supposedly is going to seriously up the power on the Gallardo to around 600 for the 2009 or 2010 models I heard, and the all-new top of the line Murcielago replacement (atleast 750+ HP maybe?) should come for 2010 also.
Let the HP wars continue gentlemen.....
The RS6's king of the throne status will last only about one year, then AMG will come out with the TT V-8, and BMW will either enlarge the M5/M6 engine to increase power and still stay N/A, or might go with forced induction to stay competitive. Either way, we will see these cars just get faster and faster for sure. Also Lambo supposedly is going to seriously up the power on the Gallardo to around 600 for the 2009 or 2010 models I heard, and the all-new top of the line Murcielago replacement (atleast 750+ HP maybe?) should come for 2010 also.
Let the HP wars continue gentlemen.....
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Now just imagine when AMG comes out with the all-new V-12 TT
Now just imagine what will happen when AMG decides to take this upcoming twin-turbo V-8, enlarge it, add four more cylinders, and release a 48-Valve, DOHC, Twin-Turbo, 12-Cylinder, hand-made AMG masterpiece engine? It will make even a twin-turbo E63 or RS6 look slow.
Horsepower war is definitely the right word.
P.S. - Remember from that interview with one of the head engineers from AMG at HOA regarding the CLK 63 Black Series when asked if AMG is working on an all-new transmission to compete with Audi, Porsche, and BMW's upcoming all-new super-fast trannies, he said very slickly, something along the lines of "wink wink, don't worry, we are working on something like that".
I think Benz should just somehow bring that Ferrari F430 Scuderia's 60-millisecond shift-time transmission over to the AMG cars. Only hurdle would be modifying it to handle the much more powerful torque figures of an AMG engine over a Ferrari engine.
Horsepower war is definitely the right word.
P.S. - Remember from that interview with one of the head engineers from AMG at HOA regarding the CLK 63 Black Series when asked if AMG is working on an all-new transmission to compete with Audi, Porsche, and BMW's upcoming all-new super-fast trannies, he said very slickly, something along the lines of "wink wink, don't worry, we are working on something like that".
I think Benz should just somehow bring that Ferrari F430 Scuderia's 60-millisecond shift-time transmission over to the AMG cars. Only hurdle would be modifying it to handle the much more powerful torque figures of an AMG engine over a Ferrari engine.
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thats great news. Honestly, they should already have a tranny capable of handling the power, because Bentley is using the Zf 6spd, for the 774 lb ft Brooklands, and of course there's the Veyron. Whatever happens, it can only be good!
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.............I don't remember who, but I think someone owes me a case of beer. Maybe I'm just thirsty, but I remember a big discussion a while back regarding BMW and turbos. At the time, I was told that BMW are purists and will never use forced induction in their M series. Well the puritans seem to have succumbed the desires of the flesh. Hello Jimmy Swaggart!
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Just look at the 335i and what an amazing car that is. Now imagine an FI'ed M? 
Yes, an AMG rep did hint at the idea that the Auto's gearshifts were way too slow and they are doing something about it. Sounds to me like a DSG tranny.
Porsche is also embracing the dual clutch sequential tranny as well a encoporating some new technology into the updated '09 Turbo.
The new Skyline GT-R is supposed to come standard with a DSG as well.
Yes, an AMG rep did hint at the idea that the Auto's gearshifts were way too slow and they are doing something about it. Sounds to me like a DSG tranny.
Porsche is also embracing the dual clutch sequential tranny as well a encoporating some new technology into the updated '09 Turbo.
The new Skyline GT-R is supposed to come standard with a DSG as well.
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.............I don't remember who, but I think someone owes me a case of beer. Maybe I'm just thirsty, but I remember a big discussion a while back regarding BMW and turbos. At the time, I was told that BMW are purists and will never use forced induction in their M series. Well the puritans seem to have succumbed the desires of the flesh. Hello Jimmy Swaggart!
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BMW has been making turbo engines for a long time.My father had a 745 turbo back in the day.They have been making turbo D's for a while also.
Ted you mis understood what BMW is doing with the new turbo 6's
They can not make anymore power staying NA on there regular 3 series with out using there M power engines or upping the displacment.They needed somthing to bridge the gap between the new m3 and the old one and not use an M power engine.The next m3 will have about 420hp and the nearest none M is like 260,the 330.That is a huge difference so they just turbo'd a basic inline 6 to bridge the gap and make 300 hp and keep the people with the e46 M power engines happy.
BMW M will never use a turbo in there cars.They are a whole different division that builds High revving NA race engines.
the next m3 will be an NA engine and so wont the next M5
Ted you mis understood what BMW is doing with the new turbo 6's
They can not make anymore power staying NA on there regular 3 series with out using there M power engines or upping the displacment.They needed somthing to bridge the gap between the new m3 and the old one and not use an M power engine.The next m3 will have about 420hp and the nearest none M is like 260,the 330.That is a huge difference so they just turbo'd a basic inline 6 to bridge the gap and make 300 hp and keep the people with the e46 M power engines happy.
BMW M will never use a turbo in there cars.They are a whole different division that builds High revving NA race engines.
the next m3 will be an NA engine and so wont the next M5
From Toro4me:
i never said M cars are not BMW.
i said myself that i knew bmw is got a turbo 6 cyl in the new 335.
but my discussion is on M vs. AMG, not non-M, the non-M is not a high revving 100hp/L engine. to me non-M 6 cyl engine is no more attractive than the 6 cyl in a Nissan, i can care less about that.
any in any case, the quoted paragraph does not translate into bmw is going forced induction.
i said myself that i knew bmw is got a turbo 6 cyl in the new 335.
but my discussion is on M vs. AMG, not non-M, the non-M is not a high revving 100hp/L engine. to me non-M 6 cyl engine is no more attractive than the 6 cyl in a Nissan, i can care less about that.
any in any case, the quoted paragraph does not translate into bmw is going forced induction.
https://mbworld.org/forums/showthrea...=ted+BMW+turbo
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