2005 E55 Vs. 2007 Charger SRT8. Smack down!
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2005 E55 Vs. 2007 Charger SRT8. Smack down!
This morning around 9:40am I got stuck at a red, first at light at Jamboree and Barranca. I looked in my review mirror to ensure I was not going to get hit from behind. I noticed a black Charger pulling up next to me from behind, on my right. I think cool maybe we can see what the SRT8 cars have? I wait and just watch the light. Geared car down to first, in sport mode, esp on, soft ride mode. When light turned green, I stabed it and then let up. Just then I hear his cool air intake upgrade in my ear. He was slow off the line, slow reaction time for him. I said what the ---- is this guy thinking? I pinned it, car squats and chirps tires just a bit. Ran the E55 thru first and second and half of third. Charger gave up after I shifted to third but I pulled all of first and second hard. I think he had enough. He turned off to the left turn lane and hid. It was a perfect race set up for the E55, because I was able to get the car to rock back and forth off the line because I let up and then stabed it again. It just hooked.
This was a classic bait and hook job! I baited the hook and he bit.
It looks like it will take a lot more than a CDI for the str8 to run with the E55. I think it will take even more then a bolt on Super Charger kit. One would have to mod that kit as well.
E55's are fun
This was a classic bait and hook job! I baited the hook and he bit.
It looks like it will take a lot more than a CDI for the str8 to run with the E55. I think it will take even more then a bolt on Super Charger kit. One would have to mod that kit as well.
E55's are fun
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This morning around 9:40am I got stuck at a red, first at light at Jamboree and Barranca. I looked in my review mirror to ensure I was not going to get hit from behind. I noticed a black Charger pulling up next to me from behind, on my right. I think cool maybe we can see what the SRT8 cars have? I wait and just watch the light. Geared car down to first, in sport mode, esp on, soft ride mode. When light turned green, I stabed it and then let up. Just then I hear his cool air intake upgrade in my ear. He was slow off the line, slow reaction time for him. I said what the ---- is this guy thinking? I pinned it, car squats and chirps tires just a bit. Ran the E55 thru first and second and half of third. Charger gave up after I shifted to third but I pulled all of first and second hard. I think he had enough. He turned off to the left turn lane and hid. It was a perfect race set up for the E55, because I was able to get the car to rock back and forth off the line because I let up and then stabed it again. It just hooked.
This was a classic bait and hook job! I baited the hook and he bit.
It looks like it will take a lot more than a CDI for the str8 to run with the E55. I think it will take even more then a bolt on Super Charger kit. One would have to mod that kit as well.
E55's are fun
This was a classic bait and hook job! I baited the hook and he bit.
It looks like it will take a lot more than a CDI for the str8 to run with the E55. I think it will take even more then a bolt on Super Charger kit. One would have to mod that kit as well.
E55's are fun
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What does your CLK55 run in the 1/4 mile stck?
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http://s147.photobucket.com/albums/r...ent=corect.flv
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Wow, quickest stocker on dragtimes runs 12.5.
If the guy had DR's and knew how to launch, least it would have been a worthy opponent.
Although many have tried and many have died at the hands of Draggincnts.
If the guy had DR's and knew how to launch, least it would have been a worthy opponent.
Although many have tried and many have died at the hands of Draggincnts.
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i don't think it's about "knowing how to launch" the srt8's. the cars are difficult to launch, but imho not because of the car's mechanics. i believe it's due to the way the ecu delivers power. adding a higher stall converter has helped minimally and trying to get better launches by using d/r's results in broken half shafts more often than lower 60' times.
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Haven't put my CLK or E on the drag strip yet... but I've driven both the Charger and 300 SRT-8 and they feel like there's something holding them back stock. That video is nothing like the ones I've seen stock.
My friends Stck SRT-8 ran 12.8 secs at 108 to 109mph and you are saying that these cars are'nt kinda fast?
What does your CLK55 run in the 1/4 mile stck?
Vid:
http://s147.photobucket.com/albums/r...ent=corect.flv
What does your CLK55 run in the 1/4 mile stck?
Vid:
http://s147.photobucket.com/albums/r...ent=corect.flv
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love the original story...
but lets not feed the SRT-8 trolls any more..
they will start posting crazy videos of their home video camera
We went through this a few months back.
nice car for the money... but at this point the Pontiac G8 is looking even better despite the lower hp figure.
6L V8, RWD, better looking, 6sp auto and tons of mods for that engine.
The SRT-8 can be supercharged to have over 600hp or around 500RWD..
but lets not feed the SRT-8 trolls any more..
they will start posting crazy videos of their home video camera
We went through this a few months back.
nice car for the money... but at this point the Pontiac G8 is looking even better despite the lower hp figure.
6L V8, RWD, better looking, 6sp auto and tons of mods for that engine.
The SRT-8 can be supercharged to have over 600hp or around 500RWD..
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I had a run with one from 60 - 120. He got a bit of a jump on me and did not start reeling him in until 115-120. Needless to say I was really impressed with the car.
I really like the looks of the 300 and Charger SRT-8's, too. They (Dodge/Chrystler) did a great job making them look bad-a$%.
TK
I really like the looks of the 300 and Charger SRT-8's, too. They (Dodge/Chrystler) did a great job making them look bad-a$%.
TK
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not too add salt to the wound.....
a few months back with had this guy coming over talking about his Dodge
and he recorded his Dodge display of a 0-60 run.. it read something like 4.5 seconds or so..
I just read the Edmunds.com article on the SRT-4 (nice little car!)
and check this out....
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While at the track we compared the Caliber's "performance pages" display against our testing equipment. The car's computer measures acceleration, handling and braking, and displays those numbers on the dashboard. It proved optimistic. Acceleration was the most egregiously miscalculated. The car's computer claimed a 0-60 time of 5.7 seconds and a quarter-mile of 13.8 seconds — much quicker than our numbers. By its estimation, lateral acceleration was 0.88g, considerably higher than the 0.81g we calculated.
http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpconta...pageNumber=1#3
btw: this little thing is putting down 281FWHP.. and factory marketing is rated at 285 crank horsepower.
a few months back with had this guy coming over talking about his Dodge
and he recorded his Dodge display of a 0-60 run.. it read something like 4.5 seconds or so..
I just read the Edmunds.com article on the SRT-4 (nice little car!)
and check this out....
============================================
While at the track we compared the Caliber's "performance pages" display against our testing equipment. The car's computer measures acceleration, handling and braking, and displays those numbers on the dashboard. It proved optimistic. Acceleration was the most egregiously miscalculated. The car's computer claimed a 0-60 time of 5.7 seconds and a quarter-mile of 13.8 seconds — much quicker than our numbers. By its estimation, lateral acceleration was 0.88g, considerably higher than the 0.81g we calculated.
http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpconta...pageNumber=1#3
btw: this little thing is putting down 281FWHP.. and factory marketing is rated at 285 crank horsepower.
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love the original story...
but lets not feed the SRT-8 trolls any more..
they will start posting crazy videos of their home video camera
We went through this a few months back.
nice car for the money... but at this point the Pontiac G8 is looking even better despite the lower hp figure.
6L V8, RWD, better looking, 6sp auto and tons of mods for that engine.
The SRT-8 can be supercharged to have over 600hp or around 500RWD..
but lets not feed the SRT-8 trolls any more..
they will start posting crazy videos of their home video camera
We went through this a few months back.
nice car for the money... but at this point the Pontiac G8 is looking even better despite the lower hp figure.
6L V8, RWD, better looking, 6sp auto and tons of mods for that engine.
The SRT-8 can be supercharged to have over 600hp or around 500RWD..
Well, said. I love the E55, but doesn't it have 50 more HP...let me answer that...yes it does.
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I had a run with one from 60 - 120. He got a bit of a jump on me and did not start reeling him in until 115-120. Needless to say I was really impressed with the car.
I really like the looks of the 300 and Charger SRT-8's, too. They (Dodge/Chrystler) did a great job making them look bad-a$%.
TK
I really like the looks of the 300 and Charger SRT-8's, too. They (Dodge/Chrystler) did a great job making them look bad-a$%.
TK
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05 E55
Of course SRT8s are slower than 55s. You don't see anyone talking about racing an 02 E55 and... surprise suprise... BEATING it badly in an 05 E55. Well, that's your SRT8. NA, 4k pounds, based on the W210 E series frame, and, coinidentally, almost the same power.
Silly stuff.
As a side note, and trivia:
1) There's no such thing as an SRT8 that has launch issues... they barely spin tires... so that IS AS FAST as they get off the line unless you're power braking the things.
2) Once launched, they accelerate like any 4200 lb care with 420 hp
3) The Jeep SRT8 is the fastest of the bunch, and its half due to the AWD. This is because the gear ratio on the diesel tranny they use in it is much higher, and it accelerates off the line wicked fast compared to the other SRT8s... and it has the AWD to handle it. A Jeep SRT8, as I've written before, its awesome off the line, and makes me lust for an AWD E55... or a GL55 which lost 1000 pounds or so. Gearing in the Jeep, because of these ratios, makes it redline limited top speed around 155... not computer limited.
4) These cars definitely handle well for their size... they really did a great job suspension-wise. The Jeep actually gets bad reviews because its ride is so stiff. But boy can that sucker zig zag and stay level... and at very high speed. I can take all but the best E55s / drivers in the twisties in a $40k SUV. Hard to imagine, but true.
Be nice to the SRT8s... they have done great great work for the cost, and are based on our previous Gen E classes with 420 hp / 420 torque NA engines that will likely outlast our 55 motors.
I can't be called a bandwagoner... I own them both.
Loren
Silly stuff.
As a side note, and trivia:
1) There's no such thing as an SRT8 that has launch issues... they barely spin tires... so that IS AS FAST as they get off the line unless you're power braking the things.
2) Once launched, they accelerate like any 4200 lb care with 420 hp
3) The Jeep SRT8 is the fastest of the bunch, and its half due to the AWD. This is because the gear ratio on the diesel tranny they use in it is much higher, and it accelerates off the line wicked fast compared to the other SRT8s... and it has the AWD to handle it. A Jeep SRT8, as I've written before, its awesome off the line, and makes me lust for an AWD E55... or a GL55 which lost 1000 pounds or so. Gearing in the Jeep, because of these ratios, makes it redline limited top speed around 155... not computer limited.
4) These cars definitely handle well for their size... they really did a great job suspension-wise. The Jeep actually gets bad reviews because its ride is so stiff. But boy can that sucker zig zag and stay level... and at very high speed. I can take all but the best E55s / drivers in the twisties in a $40k SUV. Hard to imagine, but true.
Be nice to the SRT8s... they have done great great work for the cost, and are based on our previous Gen E classes with 420 hp / 420 torque NA engines that will likely outlast our 55 motors.
I can't be called a bandwagoner... I own them both.
Loren
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actually they're not easier to tune for performance. it appears they may have finally got some tuning capabilities but most of the supercharged srt8's have blown up because of lack of tuning. so far it's taking stroked motors and over $10k to get them near stock e55 performance unless they're willing to run 125shots of n2o. by the time they start matching modded e55's they've lost much of their drivability and become trailer queens.
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actually they're not easier to tune for performance. it appears they may have finally got some tuning capabilities but most of the supercharged srt8's have blown up because of lack of tuning. so far it's taking stroked motors and over $10k to get them near stock e55 performance unless they're willing to run 125shots of n2o. by the time they start matching modded e55's they've lost much of their drivability and become trailer queens.
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Actually the curb weight of the Jeep SRT is 4700+...
German versus American? Uhh, the Jeep (and the other LX SRTs for that matter, Charger, Magnum and 300) all share a variety of parts with Daimler/Chrysler (DCX) who until recently owned Dodge/Chrysler...
Stock real world 1/4 mile times are the mid maybe low 13s. A sub 13 second stocker would be atypical, but given tracks, conditions, correction, etc., not impossible.
The Jeep SRT will top out just a little north of 160 MPH+, gearing and brick-like aerodynamics accounting for that. The LX SRTs will run up to 175-ish.
I had an '07 Jeep SRT and '05 Dodge Magnum R/T (5.7 Hemi). The Jeep was violently quick off the line, and is usually recognized by SRT enthusiasts as the quickest (not the fastest) of the SRT(8)s. The gearing and AWD (as mentioned earlier) primarily being the reason why.
They're actually far from easy to modify, especially compared to other American muscle. Tuning options are fairly limited (the Diablo Predator tuner was just released and the SCT is on the way. The Superchips Flashpaq didn't deliver as well as expected, go figures).
Ton of bad history on forced induction, blown motors, etc. (mostly due to a lack of suitable tuning options). That's starting to change with more f/i options becoming available, but there's still a ways to go where the results catch up with the promises.
Long story short, I love(d) my Jeep SRT and will most likely pick up another one if a Viper or the new Challenger don't squeeze into my garage first, it might give my S55 a run up to 60 or 80, but after that the S (stock versus stock) would stomp its guts out...
Loving my S55!
German versus American? Uhh, the Jeep (and the other LX SRTs for that matter, Charger, Magnum and 300) all share a variety of parts with Daimler/Chrysler (DCX) who until recently owned Dodge/Chrysler...
Stock real world 1/4 mile times are the mid maybe low 13s. A sub 13 second stocker would be atypical, but given tracks, conditions, correction, etc., not impossible.
The Jeep SRT will top out just a little north of 160 MPH+, gearing and brick-like aerodynamics accounting for that. The LX SRTs will run up to 175-ish.
I had an '07 Jeep SRT and '05 Dodge Magnum R/T (5.7 Hemi). The Jeep was violently quick off the line, and is usually recognized by SRT enthusiasts as the quickest (not the fastest) of the SRT(8)s. The gearing and AWD (as mentioned earlier) primarily being the reason why.
They're actually far from easy to modify, especially compared to other American muscle. Tuning options are fairly limited (the Diablo Predator tuner was just released and the SCT is on the way. The Superchips Flashpaq didn't deliver as well as expected, go figures).
Ton of bad history on forced induction, blown motors, etc. (mostly due to a lack of suitable tuning options). That's starting to change with more f/i options becoming available, but there's still a ways to go where the results catch up with the promises.
Long story short, I love(d) my Jeep SRT and will most likely pick up another one if a Viper or the new Challenger don't squeeze into my garage first, it might give my S55 a run up to 60 or 80, but after that the S (stock versus stock) would stomp its guts out...
Loving my S55!
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Yeah, what I meant to say was everything you just said. You did a much better job.
When I referred to the curb weight, I meant the charger / 300c varieties, not the Jeep. And top speed I was just estimating based on the red line area on the tach. I'm pretty vague late at night.
But isn't that Jeep fun off the line? I think I could take my E55 to 30-35mph. Maybe. Probably. Very close. Maybe it feels that way becauce its so linear off the line when it accelerates. There's no feathering the throttle, no wiggle, no traction control flashing, no hiccup and jerk. Its more like "superman the ride" at magic mountain. It starts and then just goes like a magnetic train. Instant.
After 80, yeah, its pretty much a flying brick. But its very rewarding as a street car / everyday driving vehicle. If you drove a 300c SRT8 and then immediately a Jeep SRT8, you'd scratch your head at the difference in acceleration... heavier car, same engine, "quicker". Hmmm.
I will say my friends Charger SRT8 handled REALLY well at Willow Springs when we pushed the hell out of it.
Loren
When I referred to the curb weight, I meant the charger / 300c varieties, not the Jeep. And top speed I was just estimating based on the red line area on the tach. I'm pretty vague late at night.
But isn't that Jeep fun off the line? I think I could take my E55 to 30-35mph. Maybe. Probably. Very close. Maybe it feels that way becauce its so linear off the line when it accelerates. There's no feathering the throttle, no wiggle, no traction control flashing, no hiccup and jerk. Its more like "superman the ride" at magic mountain. It starts and then just goes like a magnetic train. Instant.
After 80, yeah, its pretty much a flying brick. But its very rewarding as a street car / everyday driving vehicle. If you drove a 300c SRT8 and then immediately a Jeep SRT8, you'd scratch your head at the difference in acceleration... heavier car, same engine, "quicker". Hmmm.
I will say my friends Charger SRT8 handled REALLY well at Willow Springs when we pushed the hell out of it.
Loren
Actually the curb weight of the Jeep SRT is 4700+...
German versus American? Uhh, the Jeep (and the other LX SRTs for that matter, Charger, Magnum and 300) all share a variety of parts with Daimler/Chrysler (DCX) who until recently owned Dodge/Chrysler...
Stock real world 1/4 mile times are the mid maybe low 13s. A sub 13 second stocker would be atypical, but given tracks, conditions, correction, etc., not impossible.
The Jeep SRT will top out just a little north of 160 MPH+, gearing and brick-like aerodynamics accounting for that. The LX SRTs will run up to 175-ish.
I had an '07 Jeep SRT and '05 Dodge Magnum R/T (5.7 Hemi). The Jeep was violently quick off the line, and is usually recognized by SRT enthusiasts as the quickest (not the fastest) of the SRT(8)s. The gearing and AWD (as mentioned earlier) primarily being the reason why.
They're actually far from easy to modify, especially compared to other American muscle. Tuning options are fairly limited (the Diablo Predator tuner was just released and the SCT is on the way. The Superchips Flashpaq didn't deliver as well as expected, go figures).
Ton of bad history on forced induction, blown motors, etc. (mostly due to a lack of suitable tuning options). That's starting to change with more f/i options becoming available, but there's still a ways to go where the results catch up with the promises.
Long story short, I love(d) my Jeep SRT and will most likely pick up another one if a Viper or the new Challenger don't squeeze into my garage first, it might give my S55 a run up to 60 or 80, but after that the S (stock versus stock) would stomp its guts out...
Loving my S55!
German versus American? Uhh, the Jeep (and the other LX SRTs for that matter, Charger, Magnum and 300) all share a variety of parts with Daimler/Chrysler (DCX) who until recently owned Dodge/Chrysler...
Stock real world 1/4 mile times are the mid maybe low 13s. A sub 13 second stocker would be atypical, but given tracks, conditions, correction, etc., not impossible.
The Jeep SRT will top out just a little north of 160 MPH+, gearing and brick-like aerodynamics accounting for that. The LX SRTs will run up to 175-ish.
I had an '07 Jeep SRT and '05 Dodge Magnum R/T (5.7 Hemi). The Jeep was violently quick off the line, and is usually recognized by SRT enthusiasts as the quickest (not the fastest) of the SRT(8)s. The gearing and AWD (as mentioned earlier) primarily being the reason why.
They're actually far from easy to modify, especially compared to other American muscle. Tuning options are fairly limited (the Diablo Predator tuner was just released and the SCT is on the way. The Superchips Flashpaq didn't deliver as well as expected, go figures).
Ton of bad history on forced induction, blown motors, etc. (mostly due to a lack of suitable tuning options). That's starting to change with more f/i options becoming available, but there's still a ways to go where the results catch up with the promises.
Long story short, I love(d) my Jeep SRT and will most likely pick up another one if a Viper or the new Challenger don't squeeze into my garage first, it might give my S55 a run up to 60 or 80, but after that the S (stock versus stock) would stomp its guts out...
Loving my S55!
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Yeah, what I meant to say was everything you just said. You did a much better job.
When I referred to the curb weight, I meant the charger / 300c varieties, not the Jeep. And top speed I was just estimating based on the red line area on the tach. I'm pretty vague late at night.
But isn't that Jeep fun off the line? I think I could take my E55 to 30-35mph. Maybe. Probably. Very close. Maybe it feels that way because its so linear off the line when it accelerates. There's no feathering the throttle, no wiggle, no traction control flashing, no hiccup and jerk. Its more like "superman the ride" at magic mountain. It starts and then just goes like a magnetic train. Instant.
After 80, yeah, its pretty much a flying brick. But its very rewarding as a street car / everyday driving vehicle. If you drove a 300c SRT8 and then immediately a Jeep SRT8, you'd scratch your head at the difference in acceleration... heavier car, same engine, "quicker". Hmmm.
I will say my friends Charger SRT8 handled REALLY well at Willow Springs when we pushed the hell out of it.
Loren
When I referred to the curb weight, I meant the charger / 300c varieties, not the Jeep. And top speed I was just estimating based on the red line area on the tach. I'm pretty vague late at night.
But isn't that Jeep fun off the line? I think I could take my E55 to 30-35mph. Maybe. Probably. Very close. Maybe it feels that way because its so linear off the line when it accelerates. There's no feathering the throttle, no wiggle, no traction control flashing, no hiccup and jerk. Its more like "superman the ride" at magic mountain. It starts and then just goes like a magnetic train. Instant.
After 80, yeah, its pretty much a flying brick. But its very rewarding as a street car / everyday driving vehicle. If you drove a 300c SRT8 and then immediately a Jeep SRT8, you'd scratch your head at the difference in acceleration... heavier car, same engine, "quicker". Hmmm.
I will say my friends Charger SRT8 handled REALLY well at Willow Springs when we pushed the hell out of it.
Loren
Right on! I NEVER lost a race from a dig in the Jeep. Stoplight to stoplight it can run with some of the most exotic high performance cars in the world, and put the smackdown on more than one of them. The SRT site lists the 0-60 as sub 5 second; real world times for stockers range from 4.2 to 4.7. The best part is that the Jeep is fairly low profile, by the time people figure out the dual center mounted exhaust and the tiny SRT badge on the back hatch, it's too late.
But since this is a MB site; on to my S55. Where the fun started to run out in the Jeep, my S55 just rolls like there's no tomorrow. I mod EVERYTHING (lawn mower, power washer, etc.) and I can't wait to get started on the S, it's just a wee bit more expensive than what I'm used to!
