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Old Oct 3, 2007 | 03:26 AM
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Hypothetically, how much more rear fender space...

would our E55's need to fit 345/18's tire tread? What wheel width on the 18" rim would you need? If 345 would be to extreme, what about 305/18 scenario?

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Old Oct 3, 2007 | 03:30 AM
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Well... I'm 295 on 20"... so 305 should be doable with 19" I'd think.
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Old Oct 3, 2007 | 03:41 AM
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Well... I'm 295 on 20"... so 305 should be doable with 19" I'd think.
I would stay with 18"s only because I would use drag radials. At this point, Toyo's (R888) only make drag radials to fit 19"s and I believe they are more suited for the track.

Anyway...I have more experience with the BFGoodrich drag radials.
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Old Oct 4, 2007 | 12:42 AM
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305s can be done, but you will likely need to roll the fenders some. Also, I would stiffen the suspension if you are planning to increase traction. You do not want to have a snug fit that ends up rubbing onto the subframe.
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Old Oct 4, 2007 | 05:07 AM
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305s can be done, but you will likely need to roll the fenders some. Also, I would stiffen the suspension if you are planning to increase traction. You do not want to have a snug fit that ends up rubbing onto the subframe.
Jangy...I'm talking of actually modifying the fenders out...not so much that they look ridiculous, but enough to fit a 345/18 or 315/18. Are we looking at another 2.5 to 3 inches a fender (345-285 = 60mm= 2.36 inches) to fit comfortably?
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Old Oct 4, 2007 | 05:59 AM
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Sounds about right - my 285/30/19 on 31 offset rub on max compression ... so work off that as the touch point ... 275 will clear. Also the camber will tuck the wider wheel in more on compression so keep that in mind ...

I would try and find as much space on the inside before I butcher the outside.
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Old Oct 4, 2007 | 10:49 AM
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I would try and find as much space on the inside before I butcher the outside.
I'm @ 285/18 now on my drag rim/tire setup. I don't want to butcher the fender either...I know a good body fabricator in my area and I'd like to see what he could do to massage the fender out so as not to make it wildly noticable. He might have to actually build out the fender to fit a 345/18 setup, but that maybe too radical even for me.

I might just buy a pair of rear fenders and let him go at it and see what happens...
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Old Oct 4, 2007 | 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by AMGfan
Jangy...I'm talking of actually modifying the fenders out...not so much that they look ridiculous, but enough to fit a 345/18 or 315/18. Are we looking at another 2.5 to 3 inches a fender (345-285 = 60mm= 2.36 inches) to fit comfortably?
In that case, it can be done. I didn't know you were willing to make a widebody. NICE!!
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Old Oct 4, 2007 | 11:32 PM
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I know it is a different car but, I saw a CLS63 with 305/25/20 in Pleasanton
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In that case, it can be done. I didn't know you were willing to make a widebody. NICE!!
I'm looking for rear body panels now to see what it may look like...
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Old Oct 5, 2007 | 08:16 AM
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You may want to ask others such as Vadim, VRUS, etc, as I truly have no idea, but in going to a 345, you may be placing undue strain on other driveline components that would need to be strengthened/reinforced to handle the additional stress from getting the car to hook so much better.

I thought that I read somewhere on here about guys occasionally breaking driveshafts, etc. when running drag radials, but I'm not certain about that.

Keep us posted on the progress. If done PROPERLY, the car could look much better in addition to giving the extra traction. Will you be playing with the fronts as well to keep everything visually in proportion, or are you going for the P-car turbo look?
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Old Oct 5, 2007 | 10:27 AM
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You may want to ask others such as Vadim, VRUS, etc, as I truly have no idea, but in going to a 345, you may be placing undue strain on other driveline components that would need to be strengthened/reinforced to handle the additional stress from getting the car to hook so much better.

I thought that I read somewhere on here about guys occasionally breaking driveshafts, etc. when running drag radials, but I'm not certain about that.

Keep us posted on the progress. If done PROPERLY, the car could look much better in addition to giving the extra traction. Will you be playing with the fronts as well to keep everything visually in proportion, or are you going for the P-car turbo look?
The thing is I want it to look as inconspicuous (I know ) as possible. So the P-car turbo look might be too much for me. With that said...having a black car with "slightly" flared fenders might work...or not. I'll just have to see what my fabricator comes up with...

Right now I'm still looking for some salvage rear quarter panels...I did find some new replacement panels (R and L) for about $1300. I'll keep on looking...
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Old Oct 5, 2007 | 11:04 AM
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Call General Auto Recycling. They have a R+L set for about $900
1-800-556-7316.
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Originally Posted by Hazy1
You may want to ask others such as Vadim, VRUS, etc, as I truly have no idea, but in going to a 345, you may be placing undue strain on other driveline components that would need to be strengthened/reinforced to handle the additional stress from getting the car to hook so much better.

I thought that I read somewhere on here about guys occasionally breaking driveshafts, etc. when running drag radials, but I'm not certain about that.

Keep us posted on the progress. If done PROPERLY, the car could look much better in addition to giving the extra traction. Will you be playing with the fronts as well to keep everything visually in proportion, or are you going for the P-car turbo look?

+1 on the reinforcements, but that just means you are putting more power down. That is the same route I went getting R rated 295s. That made the car feel faster, just because I hook so well. Also, I get less ESP intervention. Where is Len with my under body parts?


By the way, a CLS has more room under there, but 345s are still a stretch.
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Old Oct 5, 2007 | 11:28 PM
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Old Oct 6, 2007 | 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by jangy
+1 on the reinforcements, but that just means you are putting more power down. That is the same route I went getting R rated 295s. That made the car feel faster, just because I hook so well. Also, I get less ESP intervention. Where is Len with my under body parts?


By the way, a CLS has more room under there, but 345s are still a stretch.
Besides the RennTech toelinks (that I already have) what other reinforcement mods should I consider?
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Originally Posted by jangy
By the way, a CLS has more room under there, but 345s are still a stretch.

Going from 295 to 345 is a pretty big jump. Here's a 295/35 18 F1 Supercar next to a 345/30 19 Pilot Sport.

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Old Oct 6, 2007 | 09:37 AM
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Call your local Mercedes part department and ask for price on the right and left
1/4 panels. If your fabricator is good he can do the panels on your car with metal. He'll need the new 1/4s if yours get f up.
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Originally Posted by AMGfan
Besides the RennTech toelinks (that I already have) what other reinforcement mods should I consider?
Don't ever mention that name in a post to me!! Hehe.

The toe link is only one of a zillion "weak" spots on that car. Also, as you go to extremem tire sizes, you will need to be able to manipulate the geometry of the suspension (camber, etc.).

Here is where I worry with adding traction (which I do think is the underrated way to get consistently faster times):
Rear Diff and TQ converter. Both of those can be upgraded, and I would take the 4X4 world's approach of break them before you change them. It adds no performance to swap it out now, but I fear it will happen.

Last thing will be to replace the bushings in a timely manner, since you are actually hoping that they take the brunt of the power dissipation.

Hope that makes sense, especially the first sentence
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Old Oct 7, 2007 | 06:35 PM
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What I don't want...

It's just too much...
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Do you need to roll fenders because your car is lowered?

I can fit a 305/30/19 on my CLS same chasis as the E, gives a 12.3 inch footprint.

My car is not lowered and the wheel has a bit more room.
You running CCw 19" does it get any better than that?

im going to do 305 rear and 265 fronts.

Maybe I can fit the tires cause my rear is wider? weird...
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Originally Posted by AMGfan
It's just too much...
Oh the pain,why did I click on those pics.
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