SLR Pistons & Rods
10-10-2007, 06:32 PM
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What would be cool would be adapting 4-matic to a E55 so you can launch it hard.
It couldn't be that hard to do...
dkm
It couldn't be that hard to do...
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10-10-2007, 06:34 PM
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Ahmad you may just be fine with how your blck is right now. AMG did a good job in building these blcks and the parts that they use are not cheap slugs. If you get proper custom dyno tuning(and I'm not talking some mail-in-flash) and don't exceed the limits of the pistons and rods(which is pretty high based on their quality build),like Marcus indicates and I try to say,you'll be good to go.
Why do you guys want AWD so bad? Most high hp AWD cars convert to RWD and you guys wanna do the opposite?
10-10-2007, 06:52 PM
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Albert you are the man and I forgot to mention it was a pleasure meeting you and witnessing your Beast! Plus you r well informed and have an excellent example of a well tuned beast. 
The fact that you can run 130mph in high 10 seconds in 90+ degree weather and 90+ humidty using NOS and low 11's at over 120mph just motor is a testament to how well tuned your car is and how great a job MB AMG has done with the STOCk internals of the 5.5L motor.
Like we have all said on Mon as well,nothing beats ,custom dyno tuning and it seems like the AMG's agree and love this as well.
A car can only be made more reliable if it's making major HP with custom dyno tuning regardless of the cost IMOP.
The fact that you can run 130mph in high 10 seconds in 90+ degree weather and 90+ humidty using NOS and low 11's at over 120mph just motor is a testament to how well tuned your car is and how great a job MB AMG has done with the STOCk internals of the 5.5L motor.
Like we have all said on Mon as well,nothing beats ,custom dyno tuning and it seems like the AMG's agree and love this as well.
A car can only be made more reliable if it's making major HP with custom dyno tuning regardless of the cost IMOP.
Ahmad that is an example of to much timing imho. Having your afr's in the low ten's does not mean the engine will not detonate if to much timing is used.
10-10-2007, 07:48 PM
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Think about it,why would stck Supra pistons necessarily be stronger or weaker than AMG(MAHLE)pistons.
Tuning!! is the key!!! The well tuned car will always lead the pack.
10-10-2007, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by rflow
Ahmad that is an example of to much timing imho. Having your afr's in the low ten's does not mean the engine will not detonate if to much timing is used.
It's key!!
10-10-2007, 07:52 PM
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Perhaps bad tuning. If my LIL Mitsu slugs good put up with 20PSI(4cyl) I would be surprised if the AMG 5.5L V8 could not handle 9 measily PSI of boost. Also there are alot of turbocharged BMW's with Stck pistons and some with thicker headgaskets running 15 to 17 PSI of boost turbocharged which have been custom dyno tuned. It's called tuning and the stck pistons are strong, so if you could find someone to custom tune your car on a dyno, you should be good to go provided you have the proper supporting mods.
Think about it,why would stck Supra pistons necessarily be stronger or weaker than AMG(MAHLE)pistons.
Tuning!! is the key!!! The well tuned car will always lead the pack.
Think about it,why would stck Supra pistons necessarily be stronger or weaker than AMG(MAHLE)pistons.
Tuning!! is the key!!! The well tuned car will always lead the pack.
10-10-2007, 08:00 PM
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http://www.activeautowerke.com/?bannerID=86
These guys are the truth. I'll let Albert and Patrick confirm!
Karl is the owner and a good guy. Speak to Albert(rflow) first and he could perhaps tell you who to speak to.
The other thing is that you have to get rid of the crappy stck ram air intake setup you have. Those damn hoses are choking your poor supercharger. Have you seen the size of the inlets on the newer C55,CLK55,and 55 compressor cars? BIG difference. I already ordered my new setup from MB. PM me for more info!
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10-10-2007, 08:03 PM
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Here you go my man! I'm surprised Albert and Patrick did'nt tell you!
http://www.activeautowerke.com/?bannerID=86
These guys are the truth. I'll let Albert and Patrick confirm!
Karl is the owner and a good guy. Speak to Albert(rflow) first and he could perhaps tell you who to speak to.
http://www.activeautowerke.com/?bannerID=86
These guys are the truth. I'll let Albert and Patrick confirm!
Karl is the owner and a good guy. Speak to Albert(rflow) first and he could perhaps tell you who to speak to.
They are in Florida. They do good work with BMWs, now they tune benzes???
10-10-2007, 08:05 PM
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10-10-2007, 10:53 PM
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This is news to me as well. A quick scan of their website revealed this line
Active Autowerke grew as the motoring public of South Florida developed an appetite for BMWs. In addition, it has met its customers needs by extending their facility for the servicing and repairs of Mercedes-Benz.
I didn't find anything specfic to tuning MB's but perhaps we have finally found a solution.
Active Autowerke grew as the motoring public of South Florida developed an appetite for BMWs. In addition, it has met its customers needs by extending their facility for the servicing and repairs of Mercedes-Benz.
I didn't find anything specfic to tuning MB's but perhaps we have finally found a solution.
10-10-2007, 11:10 PM
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Just want to clarify one point here... My decision to build the bottom end was because as I saw into the future I felt there would be a big need for an economical solution for people with tired blocks, cracked pistons, broken ringlands, and general bottom end damage.
Speaking with MB Canada I found out a stock shortblock is $24,000CDN!!!! And it can only be purchased fully assembled... The only other alternative for someone is to buy used full longblocks on eBay for $15,000 - $18,000.
This is basically what set the wheels in motion to look at what could be done with the bottom end. Now, since I was going to have to build custom pistons and look at everything else in the bottom end, I figured I would bump the displacement as an added bonus.
My initial goal was to make a $9999 built shortblock + core exchange.. This would make it very easy for someone with high mileage or destroyed pistons to get back on the road quickly and in a cost effective manner. Depending on which components end up in my initial shortblock, that price may be as low as $7999.
If I was only looking at my own car and just wanted to do a TT kit or build up the motor to the limit, I would leave the bottom end alone and just concentrate on the top half until I broke something and was forced to replace some of the components.
I was not trying to say through my doing what I am doing that the stock bottom end is weak.. Far from it... Just want to be clear on my motivations and my reasoning for going down the road I did...
Speaking with MB Canada I found out a stock shortblock is $24,000CDN!!!! And it can only be purchased fully assembled... The only other alternative for someone is to buy used full longblocks on eBay for $15,000 - $18,000.
This is basically what set the wheels in motion to look at what could be done with the bottom end. Now, since I was going to have to build custom pistons and look at everything else in the bottom end, I figured I would bump the displacement as an added bonus.
My initial goal was to make a $9999 built shortblock + core exchange.. This would make it very easy for someone with high mileage or destroyed pistons to get back on the road quickly and in a cost effective manner. Depending on which components end up in my initial shortblock, that price may be as low as $7999.
If I was only looking at my own car and just wanted to do a TT kit or build up the motor to the limit, I would leave the bottom end alone and just concentrate on the top half until I broke something and was forced to replace some of the components.
I was not trying to say through my doing what I am doing that the stock bottom end is weak.. Far from it... Just want to be clear on my motivations and my reasoning for going down the road I did...
10-10-2007, 11:20 PM
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+1, that's why they make alot of the formula-one pistons.
I would also be willing to build a twin turbo with a 100% stock long block. The stock assembly will make over 750 rwhp before it becomes a problem.
Give me a good crank and the longest rod possible anyday of the week.
I would also be willing to build a twin turbo with a 100% stock long block. The stock assembly will make over 750 rwhp before it becomes a problem.
Give me a good crank and the longest rod possible anyday of the week.
Anybody know the stock rod length?Was it mentioned here already and I missed it?
10-10-2007, 11:23 PM
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Is that expensive enough for ya!!
10-10-2007, 11:42 PM
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This is news to me as well. A quick scan of their website revealed this line
Active Autowerke grew as the motoring public of South Florida developed an appetite for BMWs. In addition, it has met its customers needs by extending their facility for the servicing and repairs of Mercedes-Benz.
I didn't find anything specfic to tuning MB's but perhaps we have finally found a solution.
Active Autowerke grew as the motoring public of South Florida developed an appetite for BMWs. In addition, it has met its customers needs by extending their facility for the servicing and repairs of Mercedes-Benz.
I didn't find anything specfic to tuning MB's but perhaps we have finally found a solution.
They do custom dyno tune E55k's!
You have actually seen and read about one of the fastest one's that they tuned ,owned by a member of this board.
10-10-2007, 11:58 PM
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10-11-2007, 12:26 AM
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Here you go my man! I'm surprised Albert and Patrick did'nt tell you!
http://www.activeautowerke.com/?bannerID=86
These guys are the truth. I'll let Albert and Patrick confirm!
Karl is the owner and a good guy. Speak to Albert(rflow) first and he could perhaps tell you who to speak to.
The other thing is that you have to get rid of the crappy stck ram air intake setup you have. Those damn hoses are choking your poor supercharger. Have you seen the size of the inlets on the newer C55,CLK55,and 55 compressor cars? BIG difference. I already ordered my new setup from MB. PM me for more info!
http://www.activeautowerke.com/?bannerID=86
These guys are the truth. I'll let Albert and Patrick confirm!
Karl is the owner and a good guy. Speak to Albert(rflow) first and he could perhaps tell you who to speak to.
The other thing is that you have to get rid of the crappy stck ram air intake setup you have. Those damn hoses are choking your poor supercharger. Have you seen the size of the inlets on the newer C55,CLK55,and 55 compressor cars? BIG difference. I already ordered my new setup from MB. PM me for more info!
So Carl...do u think this is the solution for my problem as well??any place around here that i could get it done?
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10-11-2007, 04:02 AM
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But wouldnt it be better 6.3 TT rather then 5.7 TT ???
I am with you on this...if TT kit will be affordable I will go this route as well...
Then may be need to get something like Skyline 4wd system which will make our car actually drivable, cause rightnow I can launch or do rolling start at 1gear...either ESP cut off all the power or I go sideways
Did you ever thought about it ???...our MKB dealer here made CL55 and CLS55 620HP + into 4 matic cars...You wont believe it but CLS 55 off the line smokes all Skykine and Evos...
I am with you on this...if TT kit will be affordable I will go this route as well...
Then may be need to get something like Skyline 4wd system which will make our car actually drivable, cause rightnow I can launch or do rolling start at 1gear...either ESP cut off all the power or I go sideways
Did you ever thought about it ???...our MKB dealer here made CL55 and CLS55 620HP + into 4 matic cars...You wont believe it but CLS 55 off the line smokes all Skykine and Evos...
More power bolt on mods, more traction issues....its bad in stock form as is!
mind you i am looking on getting the toyo tire, that alot of members are raving about
Got any info or links to this MKB setup?
10-11-2007, 06:13 AM
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10-11-2007, 08:07 AM
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Mikhail,
With the way you run your car (like a Madman) - the question is going to be how much do you have to spend?
For the typical street driver, 800hp is easily achieve on stock internals, but for the guy who's topping out his car on a weekly basis... that's why MB/AMG over-engineered the blocks to begin with
-m
With the way you run your car (like a Madman) - the question is going to be how much do you have to spend?
For the typical street driver, 800hp is easily achieve on stock internals, but for the guy who's topping out his car on a weekly basis... that's why MB/AMG over-engineered the blocks to begin with
-m
Man...I only run my car sometimes on the weekends...and not every weekend, mostly its 1/4 runs...may be 2-3 run a night...I am not that bad...The big problem is traction !!!
10-11-2007, 08:15 AM
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4wd works much better on the street in real life...plus 4wd like Skyline has is amazing at higher speeds you have 2wd car, so dont loose any power to 4wd trans...
10-11-2007, 08:22 AM
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4wheel drive emmmmm no more very bad traction issues on take off hmmmm.
More power bolt on mods, more traction issues....its bad in stock form as is!
mind you i am looking on getting the toyo tire, that alot of members are raving about
Got any info or links to this MKB setup?
More power bolt on mods, more traction issues....its bad in stock form as is!
mind you i am looking on getting the toyo tire, that alot of members are raving about
Got any info or links to this MKB setup?
They just put 4 matic system from 500 4 matic !!!
I am going to call them and ask on how much does it cost and what is needed to be done...
10-11-2007, 08:51 AM
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This project will be amazing. I've always been a fan of Victor's work, good luck
10-11-2007, 11:22 AM
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I would also suggest Evotech. I was going to do the tunning with Active but became a pain to haul my car to miami, so I tried Evotech. All I could say the car is putting North of 520 RWHP and so much torque I cant put it to the ground. I have the dynos to prove them also.
Albert- Your car is a beast man!!
I love the way you handle her, specially with the NOS, so diligent with it. lol! I would be spraying left and right...that is why I don't have it. HehehehehWhen we lined up I was actually waiting for you to make a pass, but then thought to myself what the heck!, why not line up with the man himself, lol! I mashed it from the line I went through all gears and stood in the same place
, just couldn't hook. Hopefully they will do another one of these events and I will have the pleasure of lining up with you again man.
10-11-2007, 01:37 PM
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I would also suggest Evotech. I was going to do the tunning with Active but became a pain to haul my car to miami, so I tried Evotech. All I could say the car is putting North of 520 RWHP and so much torque I cant put it to the ground. I have the dynos to prove them also.
10-11-2007, 02:10 PM
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They did not do my tunning through dyno's but by specifications of the modifications I have done to the car. They are in california. You actually met them at MIR, Euro Elites (Adam & Tony) is their representative.
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