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Old Oct 16, 2007 | 11:49 PM
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modded 2007 BMW 335i vs. Stock 2005 E55 Bro vs. Bro

My brother just got a 2007 335i and he added the "Viznu?" chip upgrade. I am not sure how it is spelled. It claims to add 40rwhp to the car. He also filled up with a 100/91 mix to make a blend of 94 octane, claimed to add 10 rwhp over 91? He has 19' light weight wheels on it.

We went from the line and from rolls many times. The E55 pulls the 335i everytime. But the 335i is quick. I have ps2's on the car now and I can not get the tires to hook up. Traction control holds car back every launch so the BMW stays close in first but not in the other gears. He will learn how to drive it better and I will have to launch it better. I have over 80,000 driving an 04 and 05 E55 but learning daily.

I usually have Drag radials on the car. I guess it is time to get them back on again. Brother and I work together every day so many more runs coming as he upgrades the car. I may have to add a cooling mod and pulley soon?
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Old Oct 17, 2007 | 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by draggingcents2
My brother just got a 2007 335i and he added the "Viznu?" chip upgrade. I am not sure how it is spelled. It claims to add 40rwhp to the car. He also filled up with a 100/91 mix to make a blend of 94 octane, claimed to add 10 rwhp over 91? He has 19' light weight wheels on it.

We went from the line and from rolls many times. The E55 pulls the 335i everytime. But the 335i is quick. I have ps2's on the car now and I can not get the tires to hook up. Traction control holds car back every launch so the BMW stays close in first but not in the other gears. He will learn how to drive it better and I will have to launch it better. I have over 80,000 driving an 04 and 05 E55 but learning daily.

I usually have Drag radials on the car. I guess it is time to get them back on again. Brother and I work together every day so many more runs coming as he upgrades the car. I may have to add a cooling mod and pulley soon?
thats awesome. those 335 guys w/ piggybacks usually think their cars are gods and can't be beaten. its quite funny actually
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Old Oct 17, 2007 | 07:55 AM
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thats awesome. those 335 guys w/ piggybacks usually think their cars are gods and can't be beaten. its quite funny actually
I dunno about that, but they know their cars are quick and have extreme potential.
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Old Oct 17, 2007 | 08:05 AM
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I'm pretty sure my brother is getting a 335i (which will be tuned of course) sometime in the Spring. It seems like an excellent car, how does your brother like it and does he find it hard to launch from the dig being that its modded? Would he reccomend getting the xi (All wheel drive) or the i (rear wheel drive)? Thanks.
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Old Oct 17, 2007 | 10:05 AM
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I dunno about that, but they know their cars are quick and have extreme potential.
Very true. There was a post on the M5 board about a 335 running with an M5. These car have some serious power with a ecu and down pipe. Some are getting 400whp. With that said a stock e55 will take it very time once traction is had.
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Old Oct 17, 2007 | 10:08 AM
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He likes the car a lot. He did a swapalease with a guy and got car for $450 per month for 13 more months no money down. Great deal and we only have to keep for 13 months. He just got car so I will have to talk more about how it launchs. I will also drive it a few times to see.

A 335i will never beat a E55 with only a piggyback. It will take a full modded 335i with every mod available plus some nos. I will get a vid of it with just piggback to show you guys.
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Old Oct 17, 2007 | 11:09 AM
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He likes the car a lot. He did a swapalease with a guy and got car for $450 per month for 13 more months no money down. Great deal and we only have to keep for 13 months. He just got car so I will have to talk more about how it launchs. I will also drive it a few times to see.

A 335i will never beat a E55 with only a piggyback. It will take a full modded 335i with every mod available plus some nos. I will get a vid of it with just piggback to show you guys.
You are right. A 335i with only the piggy back procede from "vishnu" will never beat a stock e55. Everytime I'm in LA, which is 1-2 times a month, I drive my lil bro/cousin's 335i. It's quick I also drove two of his friend's 335i coupes, one with "vishnu" and the other with "rd sport" procede black boxes. They are much quicker than the stock 335i.

A fully modded 335i, with mods available out now, without NOS, will still not be able to keep up with an e55 or M5. But, once some big tuner comes out with upgraded turbos and IC and the works, that will spell BIG trouble.
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Old Oct 17, 2007 | 12:31 PM
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Very true. There was a post on the M5 board about a 335 running with an M5. These car have some serious power with a ecu and down pipe. Some are getting 400whp. With that said a stock e55 will take it very time once traction is had.
i think these are the vids ur talking about

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83626

modded 335 held up pretty good w/ the big boys
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Old Oct 17, 2007 | 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by jtc55
i think these are the vids ur talking about

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83626

modded 335 held up pretty good w/ the big boys
There we go. Thanks for finding it.
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Old Oct 17, 2007 | 01:10 PM
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But, once some big tuner comes out with upgraded turbos and IC and the works, that will spell BIG trouble.
Thats why I am forcing my brother to get this car, so I can mod the hell out of it for him (just to feed my modding addiction).
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Old Oct 17, 2007 | 03:13 PM
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Those 335's are pretty sweet!~ I liiiiiike... Definitely a quick and reasonably priced car.
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Old Oct 17, 2007 | 03:44 PM
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I guess the guy that makes the chip for the car is sending him a switch that will make the car run 14psi boost on 96 octane. It makes 10-11psi with the chip now but will make 14psi with switch on and 96 octane.

They claim it will run with the E55 with this additional mod?? We will see in a few days.

I am going to add a Johnson cm30 pump tonight.
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Old Oct 17, 2007 | 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by draggingcents2
It will take a full modded 335i with every mod available plus some nos.
NOS wont be needed to run with a stock E55.

Adding that Cm30 isnt going to give you any extra power gains,you better toss in a pulley while your at it.
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Old Oct 17, 2007 | 04:08 PM
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I hear that. I guess it is time to get rid of the old E55. I like the S65's??

I may just get the baby bimmer. But after owning 2 Z06's and 2 E55's I do not know what to get next?????

Audi R8? Skyline GT-R?? Blue Devil 2009 Vette??? Used Ford GT???? I think I want AWD this time. Gallard?
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Old Oct 18, 2007 | 12:14 AM
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Depending on what PROcede version he is running it should be pretty close from a roll. The 335 V2 modded cars are running around 10-11 sec from 60-130 mph vs the stock e55 around 12.

There is one 335 V2 (w/ down pipes and exhaust) running low 12's on pump gas. Not bad for $4k in mods.

Either way they (335's) are quick.

It sounds like your brother has an old version of the procede piggyback. The newer versions run 14psi on 91 pump and put out 80 rwhp over stock. Stock has 8.5 psi.

Here is the hp/tq difference in programs from Procede: Dyno plot
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Old Oct 18, 2007 | 01:52 AM
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Wow... is that just from a chip???

Originally Posted by L8Apex
Depending on what PROcede version he is running it should be pretty close from a roll. The 335 V2 modded cars are running around 10-11 sec from 60-130 mph vs the stock e55 around 12.

There is one 335 V2 (w/ down pipes and exhaust) running low 12's on pump gas. Not bad for $4k in mods.

Either way they (335's) are quick.

It sounds like your brother has an old version of the procede piggyback. The newer versions run 14psi on 91 pump and put out 80 rwhp over stock. Stock has 8.5 psi.

Here is the hp/tq difference in programs from Procede: Dyno plot
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Old Oct 18, 2007 | 03:10 AM
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It's actually a piggyback system not a chip.
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Old Oct 19, 2007 | 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by L8Apex
Depending on what PROcede version he is running it should be pretty close from a roll. The 335 V2 modded cars are running around 10-11 sec from 60-130 mph vs the stock e55 around 12.

There is one 335 V2 (w/ down pipes and exhaust) running low 12's on pump gas. Not bad for $4k in mods.

Either way they (335's) are quick.

It sounds like your brother has an old version of the procede piggyback. The newer versions run 14psi on 91 pump and put out 80 rwhp over stock. Stock has 8.5 psi.

Here is the hp/tq difference in programs from Procede: Dyno plot
true!

but the most recent Vishnu v2 trapped 109.xx and possibly 110 in good weather.. however it did manage a 12.4x. The pass was done today 10/18 (search E90post)

its hard to say why the traps are not higher for a 360 to 370 RWHP car that weighs around 3600 lbs.

with DP's, bigger IC Core, and exhaust they should be close to 390 to 400RWHP.. but you won't find too many of those.

Most xede and Procede cars are running high 12's and trapping 107 to 109

people expect the V2 only 335's to push them to 112's or so.. but that has not occurred yet. Probably will need a few more mods than a piggy back system to consistently break 110+ trap speeds.

BTW: The 335 hanging with the M5 is at a higher altitude... which Turbor cars don't have as much power loss as NA or Komp cars.

At sea level or neary sea level.. you will see a different outcome.

I'm all over the 335 and 135 guys... really want one to replace my E55. But many things have hold me back.

High Oil temps, limp mode, fuel pump, reliability of the piggy backs, and the dreaded heat soak.

I'm deciding to move to the C63 and wait a bit more.
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Originally Posted by L8Apex
Depending on what PROcede version he is running it should be pretty close from a roll. The 335 V2 modded cars are running around 10-11 sec from 60-130 mph vs the stock e55 around 12.

There is one 335 V2 (w/ down pipes and exhaust) running low 12's on pump gas. Not bad for $4k in mods.

Either way they (335's) are quick.

It sounds like your brother has an old version of the procede piggyback. The newer versions run 14psi on 91 pump and put out 80 rwhp over stock. Stock has 8.5 psi.

Here is the hp/tq difference in programs from Procede: Dyno plot
true. I read your post at the E90 forum..

but some owners over there.. really had no clue about this type of bench mark.

V2 only 335's will hit 110 mph no problem.. but it will take some really tuning of DP, Exhaust, no cats, FMIC to get 115 consistently..

at certain gears.. the 335 with a V2 only set up will give a E55 stock a good run..

if I was to buy one.. I would get a used one or new 135.. regardless if its FUGLY.
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Originally Posted by L8Apex
Depending on what PROcede version he is running it should be pretty close from a roll. The 335 V2 modded cars are running around 10-11 sec from 60-130 mph vs the stock e55 around 12.

There is one 335 V2 (w/ down pipes and exhaust) running low 12's on pump gas. Not bad for $4k in mods.

Either way they (335's) are quick.

It sounds like your brother has an old version of the procede piggyback. The newer versions run 14psi on 91 pump and put out 80 rwhp over stock. Stock has 8.5 psi.

Here is the hp/tq difference in programs from Procede: Dyno plot
For the record 335's dyno around 270ish whp stock. That 289whp run is with the full exhaust
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Old Oct 19, 2007 | 10:06 AM
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true. I read your post at the E90 forum..

but some owners over there.. really had no clue about this type of bench mark.

V2 only 335's will hit 110 mph no problem.. but it will take some really tuning of DP, Exhaust, no cats, FMIC to get 115 consistently..

at certain gears.. the 335 with a V2 only set up will give a E55 stock a good run..

if I was to buy one.. I would get a used one or new 135.. regardless if its FUGLY.
The 135 is based of the old e46 platform, imho it looks better than the 335 and should be a better performer.
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The 135 is based of the old e46 platform, imho it looks better than the 335 and should be a better performer.
Well, I think you might need some glasses, as the 135 looks like a 3-series with spina bifida, but that being said it will be a better performer, less pork.
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Ran the 335i many times last night.

OK the 335i with a piggyback will not run with a E55. We ran from 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 90, 100, 110 and so on. My e55 which is stock with K&N air cleaners pulls it everytime. In fact my BRO is pissed. He is adding more parts today. We will see what he has got later tonight. I will fill up with some 100 octane for a little help.

I am driving the E55 down to GMG racing today to see what he can do for me.
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even with V2.. you should have a lead if your E is running healthy.. which sounds like it is.

Procede and Xede are very good performance bargains.. but split second Turbor Tuners an JBS (similar product) are really the most bang for the buck.

For around $350 to 500, you can add 30 RWHP and 50RWTQ.

Add a nice CB exhaust and nice FM IC, better pump and its a nice set up and gains with not much $$


if you can video document your runs.. it would be worth 1000 words.

The 3 series forum.. is ready to take on C6 z06's with a V2 tuning. ( just a fiendly joke)
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335i with Procede V2 just beat the SL55 AMG by 5-10 car lengths!


http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92258
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