Zod

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Also be warned that your Common senses will be attacked by some of the things you will read !

cars featured:

997tt
M5 new and old
M3 new and old
M3 csl
997 s
S65
SL55 or E55 both have been mentioned

and more...


the links

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/sho...d.php?t=106374

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92258

moded 335 beats and stays with 997tt

draggingcents2

I will put this to rest this AM. My Bro and I will try to get video on our way to a big appointment this am. It is fairly cool today so things should be good for the E55.

Sunny55

LOL....

I joined the e90post forums....haha...

I'm actaully very interested to see the 335 videos.

SSM AMG

5 car lengths on a Sl55. I call BS. I will take neck and neck but lets be real. Procede V2 puts down 370whp and about the 390/400 Tq. You need a little more than that to run with a 55amg.

ItalianStallion

Modded as in a single monster turbo or a 200 shot?

Jakpro1

I say next time, we all chip in and fly Atilla and his E55 down there to represent all AMG's.

Zod

From what i gathered claimed:

• it beats 997tt till 124 or 200 can not remember (then the 997tt beats it by 5 cars)
• it beats SL55 or E55 by 5 cars + (as they say its an Sl then they say no its an E)
• 335v2 kills new M3
• it beats then hangs with m5 (M5 later mentioned to be delimited)
• yet the m6 beats it by 5 cars (by the way they say m6 is stock....)

I know M6 is meant to be a little faster then M5, but 5 cars + ?!?!?

Also makes me wonder, when you see clips of the Ms passing, if its not got to do with the other car hitting the limit and then M been derestricted


Any one that knows 1/4 and trap speeds of the 335 v2 will tell you that it is no where near 997TT level.

So maybe this car did do all these things, and if it did props to it , But i would like to hear the debate on this side

juicee63

I saw the fastest 335 in the USA, runs 12.4@109-111, could hang with a stock 55 or 63 but a modded 55 would kill it and so should a 997 TT . It could beat an M5 through the 1/4 mile but it would be oblitterated from 120 and on.

Its a great car, its super quick out of the hole, its a fun race 4 me, but , the claims are similar to mine vs. the Z06 and 997 tt, I won because the drivers of the other cars made mistakes not because my car is faster..anythingh can happen on the street, but claiming your car is faster is silly .. LOL,

Rguy271

I think the 335i is gonna take a huge chunk out of the new M3 sales. Who cares about your small high revving V8 that will make no power with mods when i can get a 335 to 400whp + for chump change.

ItalianStallion

Ah, thank you Juice. That answers everything lol.

Still damn quick for a 3-series though! Now I'm forcing my brother to get one

juicee63

Yeah it ran a 12.44 and it was HOT and smokey out. So Im sure we will see some 12.3 runs, I see that car flatten out as well at the end of the runs similar to evo's. I agree its a helluva car.

Rguy271

The worst thing about this engine is they are putting it in the new 135i, which is a lighter car by 130 lbs. I can just see all the bimmer fan boi's bragging about taking out AMGs etc in their 1 series.

ThrottleJunkie

Being a long-time member of the BMW community, they will find a way to spin any story in their favor, for example: A 997TT misses a shift and they claim their car killed it; the driver killed himself. I've read stories where they "beat" a C6Z06. The only problem is the Z gave it about as much effort as a fat girl at a marathon. The BMW still won though!

Point is, there's really no way to tell what happened unless you're in one of the cars, you hear the downshift, and you see the tach fly. Even then, road conditions and other unexpected factors can play a part in the outcome.

ThrottleJunkie

Actually, the initial interest the 1 series garnered has pretty much lost its luster after the official specs came out. The weight is way too close to the 335 as you stated, but the pricing is also going to kill it. If they had priced the 135 to be around $30-$32 as people were hoping, it would kill the market. I believe the official pricing is somewhere around $36-$38 for a base model. Not going to get it done.

sdsilverm3

Being a former BMW owner and member of several BMW forums I'd have to agree with you and know exactly what you're referring to. Most of their stories are usually one-sided and biased so I wouldn't buy into it too much. Then the typical rebuttal to any defeat is "I'll beat you in the twisties".

ThrottleJunkie

hahaha yeah the twisties comment makes me lol. They'll post up a story about a 69 camaro with a blown big block (exaggeration btw) beating them from a stoplight, so to help the OP cope, everyone responds with a "don't worry, you'll take him in the twisties." Hmmm...purpose-built much?

The other one that gets me is when a ricer or other "lower life form" beats them, their comforting words are "Who cares. In the end, you're driving home in a Bimmer and he's driving home in a ****box." Funny thing is, most of the people who say those kinds of things are driving a 98 325i. Man they must feel cool driving around in that godsent chariot. I'm pretty confident that most people could buy that with the change from between their couch cushions.

Those elitist *****s can be straight ignorant sometimes and it really gives us normal BMW drivers a bad name; thus my cessation from them and the start of a new beginning in a better place.

It's a shame what a poor community can do to drive away it's real enthusiasts and let the brand-****** flourish.

MBE50003

those guys crack me up...a 335 with their piggybacks will bea tanything and anyone on the road apparently. thats how they feel. I almost bought a 335, but that forum convinced me otherwise. Its all about bashing each other and bmw fanbois obsessing that their TT car's are kings on the road. its unfortunate that there are only a few adult and normal people on there. I tihnk its a bmw thing to prove to everyone they have better cars....
anyway, NO WAY IN HELL A 335 modded can beat modded AMG thats just LAWL


out of curiousity, who knows how long those little turbos can last running 14psi...i dont think that motor can last too long w/ that much boost

L8Apex

I just picked up a 335i Sedan 6spd manual after test-driving one out of curiosity from all of the hype. I was sold! The car is a lot of fun. The engine sings to redline, transmission is very nice (soft clutch though), handles very well/ feels very light (yes it is meant for the twisties), brakes are perfect and the overall build quality is A+. The torque is great and there is almost zero turbo lag. However, in stock form it can use a bit more hp to play with the big boyz.

So, I had an opportunity to drive another 335 with a SSTT piggyback (mild tune 11psi +30hp-50 ft/lbs vs 8.5 factory). To say the least I was very impressed. This is how the car should come from the factory. It pulled nicely in every gear and did not fall asleep above 5k rpms. I timed a run from 60-130mph and it hit 13 seconds (not on a data logger just a vid timing) vs my stock at 15-16 seconds. I could only imagine what a heavier tuned 335 would run with more boost (Procede V2 14 psi with DP's and exhaust). With these mods a 335 could give the big boys a good run for their money all for a car that cost $40-$45k plus -$3-5k in mods.

The JBS2 (mild tune) that ran a 12.4 is impressive. However the trap is lower than another 335 with the same mod (111-112mph). Basically, the 12.4 run at CA Speedway was a determined by the good launch and 60 ft time on DR's. Still not bad for $350 mod. Especially when you see a stock 55 running high 12's and low 13's the same day with great RT and 60 ft.

The big limitation on the 335 is the turbos. They will max out at 16-18psi before they loose their efficiency. Still with that type of boost with a good tune the motor is putting out good hp and torque for a car that weighs 3500lbs.

I'll sit on the sidelines for a few months before I start modding this mini beast in waiting. At the end of the day, I do not see how on God's green earth it will ever hang with a 997tt, tuned 55 or z06. Maybe a JATO rocket on the rear. Stay tuned!

phatmitzu

Me vs. my friend's PROceed V1. 335

I am stock W211 E55 rolling on 20" wheels. (well, I have K&N air filter if that counts as a mod). Baseline dynoed out 401 whp and 436 wtq (same 20" wheels).
Friend's E92 335 with 18" wheels. Stock down to the air filter except for the V1 pack. No dyno.

Both runs started from 65ish til 110ish. Simple rule, he jump, I go. No three honks.



After that, hes going to upgrade to V2...I have ASP sitting in my garage right now.

Yacht Master

Phat, it's good to be the big boy.

stevebez

The 335 is going to kill M3 sales .... especially at locations of higher altitude.

From the reports I have read on the M3 they softened it up allot to make space for a CSL version ... I'd like a 335 CSL please....!!!!! Woah what a car that would be... bigger brakes, turbo's, IC, lighter a la Porsche GT3 ... wow.

That would compete head on with the CLK Black Ed. / DTM

You just gotta love F/I .......

Sunny55

I haven't thought about that...that would suck big time

Sunny55

That was nice of you to let him get the jump first.

I noticed in your second run, you had a tougher time reeling him in and passing him.

TopGun32

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The JBS2 (mild tune) that ran a 12.4 is impressive. However the trap is lower than another 335 with the same mod (111-112mph). Basically, the 12.4 run at CA Speedway was a determined by the good launch and 60 ft time on DR's. Still not bad for $350 mod. Especially when you see a stock 55 running high 12's and low 13's the same day with great RT and 60 ft.

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this car had JBS2, race gas, DRAGs and Down Pipes and another minor mod...

therefore it was not just a piggy back for $350.

On the real world.. he would be running a bit slower. (91oct, regular tires)

This the highest trap speed recorded on a real 1/4 time (112).. most Turbo Tuners and even just JBS2 are trapping 107 to 109. The Vishnu V2 has been released, but there has not been many 1/4 runs so far.

I do think.. eventually modded 335 will be running 115+, but it won't be on a piggy back alone. It will require a larger FMIC, Piggy Back, Exhaust and Down pipes and DR's.

TopGun32

very nice..

so he has the Vishnu 1.47 tune, correct?

and he will install the V2 next?

very nice run.

The Vishnu 1.47 is putting down around 330RWHP and about 370RWTQ on average.

you have 20" wheels which is slowing your car a bit.

Change your IC pump and your pulley at the same time. Don't install the pulley alone... search for the Johnson Pump CM30.. its around $100 +/-.