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Ok everyone,I'm at my wits end!The brakes have been squealing on my 63 since 500miles.It's been back to the dealer 4x.It has the updated springs/pads&they have replaced all 4 rotors.They cannot fix it.I have tried all the suggestions from you guys(thanks,I appreciate it!
) the last time I posted this topic.I've cleaned the brake dust,went out&did the whole stopping from 60,80,100mph thing a dozen times&to no avail.
I just spoke to my S/A and she says the shop foreman will have to call MB on monday&open up a technical case against my vehicle.I'm assuming this will accomplish nothing.
The dealer has been very accommodating thus far;even though they tried to give me the "well the E63 comes equipped w hi performance brakes,and thats what hi performance brakes do,they squeal" after the fourth visit. BS!
Is it possible that I could Lemon Law this car due to the unfixable(so far) problem?The car drives/handles/stops wonderfully otherwise.I'm not sure if the Lemon Law only applies to mechanical failure that will leave you unable to operate said vehicle?I'm so pissed off right now I don't feel like searching Lemon Laws in New York.If I were to sell the car tomorrow the brake squeal would/could be a deal breaker.I wouldn't buy a car that had it,so I own a "broken" car
Guys/gals;what would you do if this was YOUR car??I'm open to any reasonable suggestions
Enzom,any quick legal advice??
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I just spoke to my S/A and she says the shop foreman will have to call MB on monday&open up a technical case against my vehicle.I'm assuming this will accomplish nothing.
The dealer has been very accommodating thus far;even though they tried to give me the "well the E63 comes equipped w hi performance brakes,and thats what hi performance brakes do,they squeal" after the fourth visit. BS!
Is it possible that I could Lemon Law this car due to the unfixable(so far) problem?The car drives/handles/stops wonderfully otherwise.I'm not sure if the Lemon Law only applies to mechanical failure that will leave you unable to operate said vehicle?I'm so pissed off right now I don't feel like searching Lemon Laws in New York.If I were to sell the car tomorrow the brake squeal would/could be a deal breaker.I wouldn't buy a car that had it,so I own a "broken" car
Guys/gals;what would you do if this was YOUR car??I'm open to any reasonable suggestions
Enzom,any quick legal advice??
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If it is truely the fastest E63, then you would be walking away from a sweet engine. I personally, would not even think about it. You might decide to go buy a set of Brembos which would be far cheaper than trading in and getting another.
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I don't know what to tell you buddy, but the last people on earth who can help are those at your local stealer. Good luck.
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This is what NY lemon law states,so who knows if I have a leg to stand on....
4) IF THE SAME PROBLEM CANNOT BE REPAIRED AFTER FOUR OR MORE ATTEMPTS; OR IF YOUR CAR IS OUT OF SERVICE TO REPAIR A PROBLEM FOR A TOTAL OF THIRTY DAYS DURING THE WARRANTY PERIOD; OR IF THE MANUFACTURER OR ITS AGENT REFUSES TO REPAIR A SUBSTANTIAL DEFECT OR CONDITION WITHIN TWENTY DAYS OF RECEIPT OF NOTICE SENT BY YOU TO THE MANUFACTURER BY CERTIFIED MAIL, RETURN RECEIPT REQUESTED; THEN YOU MAY BE ENTITLED TO EITHER A COMPARABLE CAR OR A REFUND OF YOUR PURCHASE PRICE, PLUS LICENSE AND REGISTRATION FEES, MINUS A MILEAGE ALLOWANCE ONLY IF THE VEHICLE HAS BEEN DRIVEN MORE THAN 12,000 MILES. SPECIAL NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS MAY APPLY TO MOTOR HOMES.
(5) A MANUFACTURER MAY DENY LlABILITY IF THE PROBLEM IS CAUSED BY ABUSE, NEGLECT, OR UNAUTHORIZED MODIFICATIONS OF THE CAR.
4) IF THE SAME PROBLEM CANNOT BE REPAIRED AFTER FOUR OR MORE ATTEMPTS; OR IF YOUR CAR IS OUT OF SERVICE TO REPAIR A PROBLEM FOR A TOTAL OF THIRTY DAYS DURING THE WARRANTY PERIOD; OR IF THE MANUFACTURER OR ITS AGENT REFUSES TO REPAIR A SUBSTANTIAL DEFECT OR CONDITION WITHIN TWENTY DAYS OF RECEIPT OF NOTICE SENT BY YOU TO THE MANUFACTURER BY CERTIFIED MAIL, RETURN RECEIPT REQUESTED; THEN YOU MAY BE ENTITLED TO EITHER A COMPARABLE CAR OR A REFUND OF YOUR PURCHASE PRICE, PLUS LICENSE AND REGISTRATION FEES, MINUS A MILEAGE ALLOWANCE ONLY IF THE VEHICLE HAS BEEN DRIVEN MORE THAN 12,000 MILES. SPECIAL NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS MAY APPLY TO MOTOR HOMES.
(5) A MANUFACTURER MAY DENY LlABILITY IF THE PROBLEM IS CAUSED BY ABUSE, NEGLECT, OR UNAUTHORIZED MODIFICATIONS OF THE CAR.
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Gixxer,
I would go old school, before doing a lemon deal.
Find an independent shop (that can bond brake materials and has a Bridgeport) and have them install insulation backing to your pads, then mill them true. This is way past what a dealer can do, all dealers can do is throw parts at a problem.
Hey be thankful you don't have SBC.........
http://www.sae.org/technical/papers/2005-01-3944
I would go old school, before doing a lemon deal.
Find an independent shop (that can bond brake materials and has a Bridgeport) and have them install insulation backing to your pads, then mill them true. This is way past what a dealer can do, all dealers can do is throw parts at a problem.
Hey be thankful you don't have SBC.........
http://www.sae.org/technical/papers/2005-01-3944
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I agree with Yachtmaster. I hate to say it, but I seriously doubt that you will get a car bought back for a brake noise. I am not an attorney, but by my interpretation, I think that MB would would call any low mileage car with worn rear tires an abused car. How do you drive the car?
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I agree with Yachtmaster. I hate to say it, but I seriously doubt that you will get a car bought back for a brake noise. I am not an attorney, but by my interpretation, I think that MB would would call any low mileage car with worn rear tires an abused car. How do you drive the car?
How do I drive the car?Disregard the writing in red at the bottom of my posts,it's never been over 65mph,I swear
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i have the brake squeal too, hopefully they can fix it at the dealer the first time around and not have to get the runaround. have you tried the spray that stops the brake squeal?
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As suggested above, find a really good independent shop and see what they can do. One of the problems that you are fighting is that the multi-pad Brembo calipers are especially prone to noise.
I hate to sound unsympathetic but my E55 suffers from brake squeal, as have all my other AMG cars, M cars, etc. High performance brakes make noise! My GT3 was the worst of all, stopping people for blocks around in their tracks as I squealed to a stop...it was awesome!
Mechanical noises (as long as nothing is rattling or falling off) are what make all this cars fun and special. If you want quiet, buy an S Class or a 7 Series BMW but where's the fun in that?!
I hate to sound unsympathetic but my E55 suffers from brake squeal, as have all my other AMG cars, M cars, etc. High performance brakes make noise! My GT3 was the worst of all, stopping people for blocks around in their tracks as I squealed to a stop...it was awesome!
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Blacksport,I understand where your coming from but our 997 never made any brake screech&I drove that car like I stole it around the mountains where we live.I hammered my E55 for 10k miles and never had any noise like this.I also hammered our CLS55 and never had any ear splitting,piercing noise coming from the brakes like the 63 does.The dealer said they acknowledge the problem as several AMG 63's have come in for it;they just don't know how to cure it&said AMG has a legitimate problem on their hands.
Other members have had this problem&they had it rectified at the dealer,thats why I'm so frustrated.I know it can be fixed,I just want it fixed already
Other members have had this problem&they had it rectified at the dealer,thats why I'm so frustrated.I know it can be fixed,I just want it fixed already
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Oldgixxer, are you sure the dealer have ordered the revised pads and didn't just order new pads like the ones you already had when they attempted to replaced them? Many members here had the aweful break squeal problem, but got it solved as soon as they installed the new pads
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I know 55 brakers are different but they also can suffer from this problem, and i have suffered from it personly.
from wha i have found this is how it happens to me
Car is washed, wheels are blasted
dusty weather and **** getting in there
Hard breaking helps fix it
usage and giving them long enough to wear/compound break through after many miles also seems to have done the trick
Also dealer have given me a spray that helped, but now i have no issues, and like i said only real difference is wear
from wha i have found this is how it happens to me
Car is washed, wheels are blasted
dusty weather and **** getting in there
Hard breaking helps fix it
usage and giving them long enough to wear/compound break through after many miles also seems to have done the trick
Also dealer have given me a spray that helped, but now i have no issues, and like i said only real difference is wear
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Blacksport,I understand where your coming from but our 997 never made any brake screech&I drove that car like I stole it around the mountains where we live.I hammered my E55 for 10k miles and never had any noise like this.I also hammered our CLS55 and never had any ear splitting,piercing noise coming from the brakes like the 63 does.The dealer said they acknowledge the problem as several AMG 63's have come in for it;they just don't know how to cure it&said AMG has a legitimate problem on their hands.
Other members have had this problem&they had it rectified at the dealer,thats why I'm so frustrated.I know it can be fixed,I just want it fixed already![Rant](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/rant2.gif)
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Maybe some aftermarket pads would help but they usually make more noise.
WIth any luck they didn't put the update pad in there and just replaced it with the original. The update pad is probably a softer downrated compound to help prevent the squealing.
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Part numbers and more,
https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/204037-e63-brake-squeal.html
https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/204037-e63-brake-squeal.html
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Oldgixxer, make sure the dealer is installing the new revised pads. My car has about 10,000 miles now and I haven't had any squeals. However, throughout the last week or so, I started getting very low squeal when I'm braking slowly. My brake squeal completely goes away when I brake hard a couple of times though.
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Sounds like you wore out your luck with the 997- my P-car brakes squealed like a "blizatch."
Now, I'll get the occasional squeak from my Ms, but a friend had the same and the problem does go away once the brakes have bedded down.
I've never found hard braking to help. They told me that with the 996TT. I had the fu****s glowing red and what do you know, next stop light I sounded like a LAUSD bus.
Unless you always slam on the brakes in a 996/997, they will squeak.
Good luck gixxer and hang in there, the E63 is a great car.
Now, I'll get the occasional squeak from my Ms, but a friend had the same and the problem does go away once the brakes have bedded down.
I've never found hard braking to help. They told me that with the 996TT. I had the fu****s glowing red and what do you know, next stop light I sounded like a LAUSD bus.
Unless you always slam on the brakes in a 996/997, they will squeak.
Good luck gixxer and hang in there, the E63 is a great car.
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Im in the same loop my car has the updated parts from its build state and they wont change anything. I have been meaning to stop at the dealer and let the shop foreman come on a drive its just insane, ever stop wakes up traffic
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It is real discouraging that they cannot fix the problem. I brought my car in with roughly 6,000 miles and they changed all brake pads to the updated version and the front rotors. I have not heard a single squeel since and I just hit 10,200 miles. I don't understand why yours are still making noise. Do you have the service invoice and the updated part numbers. I will compare them to mine. If they got my car to stop how can they not gets yours to.
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Damn, this past week my brakes started squeaking. They had been quiet since I picked up my car, but now the noise consistently appears.
I'm wondering if the brake TSB applies to my car? It's on '08 but a July '07 build. Guess I'll see what the dealer says. FWIW, I have a little over 1k miles on the car.
I'm wondering if the brake TSB applies to my car? It's on '08 but a July '07 build. Guess I'll see what the dealer says. FWIW, I have a little over 1k miles on the car.
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here on my 030 brakes ... totally different but I just want to remind everyone that because of SLK55 complaints, about break squeal, they switch to crappy *** brakes for the 08s.
I don't see why you can't lemon law it. But honestly I'd get them to replace all the brakes entirely before doing so. Your engine seems to be a very strong performer.
I don't see why you can't lemon law it. But honestly I'd get them to replace all the brakes entirely before doing so. Your engine seems to be a very strong performer.
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ask them to pay for a independent shop to fix????
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my 55 w/ pagids would screeeeeatch the last 2 feet of a stop.
My GT3 was the worst of all, stopping people for blocks around in their tracks as I squealed to a stop...it was awesome!
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my 55 w/ pagids would screeeeeatch the last 2 feet of a stop.
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Ok everyone,I'm at my wits end!The brakes have been squealing on my 63 since 500miles.It's been back to the dealer 4x.It has the updated springs/pads&they have replaced all 4 rotors.They cannot fix it.I have tried all the suggestions from you guys(thanks,I appreciate it!
) the last time I posted this topic.I've cleaned the brake dust,went out&did the whole stopping from 60,80,100mph thing a dozen times&to no avail.
I just spoke to my S/A and she says the shop foreman will have to call MB on monday&open up a technical case against my vehicle.I'm assuming this will accomplish nothing.
The dealer has been very accommodating thus far;even though they tried to give me the "well the E63 comes equipped w hi performance brakes,and thats what hi performance brakes do,they squeal" after the fourth visit. BS!
Is it possible that I could Lemon Law this car due to the unfixable(so far) problem?The car drives/handles/stops wonderfully otherwise.I'm not sure if the Lemon Law only applies to mechanical failure that will leave you unable to operate said vehicle?I'm so pissed off right now I don't feel like searching Lemon Laws in New York.If I were to sell the car tomorrow the brake squeal would/could be a deal breaker.I wouldn't buy a car that had it,so I own a "broken" car
Guys/gals;what would you do if this was YOUR car??I'm open to any reasonable suggestions
Enzom,any quick legal advice??
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I just spoke to my S/A and she says the shop foreman will have to call MB on monday&open up a technical case against my vehicle.I'm assuming this will accomplish nothing.
The dealer has been very accommodating thus far;even though they tried to give me the "well the E63 comes equipped w hi performance brakes,and thats what hi performance brakes do,they squeal" after the fourth visit. BS!
Is it possible that I could Lemon Law this car due to the unfixable(so far) problem?The car drives/handles/stops wonderfully otherwise.I'm not sure if the Lemon Law only applies to mechanical failure that will leave you unable to operate said vehicle?I'm so pissed off right now I don't feel like searching Lemon Laws in New York.If I were to sell the car tomorrow the brake squeal would/could be a deal breaker.I wouldn't buy a car that had it,so I own a "broken" car
Guys/gals;what would you do if this was YOUR car??I'm open to any reasonable suggestions
Enzom,any quick legal advice??