Five Killed In A 2008 BMW M5
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I sue kids and their parents all the time for a lot less, but the parent's assets are directly exposed above and beyond their auto liability policy. The insurance company could argue assumption of the risk by the passengers as a defense, but they will not given the gravity of the horrible deaths that ensued.
The parents are exposed under what is called the Family Purpose Doctrine....
Family Purpose Doctrine (n. Regulation that makes an automobile's owner responsible for damages to anyone who is injured which the automobile is driven by a family member, either with or without the owner's permission. This rule of law is applied under the theory that the vehicle is owned for family purposes. Some states use this law instead of requiring a registered owner to be liable for damages caused by anyone who drives his/her car with permission. )
....all of their personal assets including the Parent's home and bank accounts are exposed to a Wrongful Death Judgment.
The parents are exposed under what is called the Family Purpose Doctrine....
Family Purpose Doctrine (n. Regulation that makes an automobile's owner responsible for damages to anyone who is injured which the automobile is driven by a family member, either with or without the owner's permission. This rule of law is applied under the theory that the vehicle is owned for family purposes. Some states use this law instead of requiring a registered owner to be liable for damages caused by anyone who drives his/her car with permission. )
....all of their personal assets including the Parent's home and bank accounts are exposed to a Wrongful Death Judgment.
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Here locally the population seems split on thier attitudes of the crash. Many are simply mourning their friends & family and don't want to hear to fault or blame on anyone "they were saints". Of course the other side (IMO) looks at it objectively & hopes this turns into a valuable lesson for other drivers & parents.
I haven't been down to the crash site, although I've been tempted. I imagine I'll get there in the next few days, eyeball the area & say a prayer for them.
The most unfortunate part is that I'm almost positive that other than their friends & family, this will be forgotten about in a year or so, once the investigation & any legal suits are completed. No one will learn from it & then they will have truly died for nothing.
I haven't been down to the crash site, although I've been tempted. I imagine I'll get there in the next few days, eyeball the area & say a prayer for them.
The most unfortunate part is that I'm almost positive that other than their friends & family, this will be forgotten about in a year or so, once the investigation & any legal suits are completed. No one will learn from it & then they will have truly died for nothing.
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God Bless the families of these young ones. Unfortunetly, these five kids ended their lives short because of this tragic accident. As far as kids having fast cars, i personally think it is the way you raise your kids. My brothers sons first car was a bmw m3 and then he recently got an m6. I have seen him drive and my brother has sent him to many driving schools. He is currently 19 (started with the m3 at 16) and has not been in a single accident, nor does he have any major tickets (one stop sign). We do not constantly remind him about how dangerous it is to drive fast, but while raising him, we simply explained to him to take it easy. He occasionally calls me and tells me that he wants to go to the track, i simply say ok and go with him. I think everyone needs to build trust with their kids so that you will always be aware of how your kids are driving and many other things.
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Here locally the population seems split on thier attitudes of the crash. Many are simply mourning their friends & family and don't want to hear to fault or blame on anyone "they were saints". Of course the other side (IMO) looks at it objectively & hopes this turns into a valuable lesson for other drivers & parents.
I haven't been down to the crash site, although I've been tempted. I imagine I'll get there in the next few days, eyeball the area & say a prayer for them.
The most unfortunate part is that I'm almost positive that other than their friends & family, this will be forgotten about in a year or so, once the investigation & any legal suits are completed. No one will learn from it & then they will have truly died for nothing.
I haven't been down to the crash site, although I've been tempted. I imagine I'll get there in the next few days, eyeball the area & say a prayer for them.
The most unfortunate part is that I'm almost positive that other than their friends & family, this will be forgotten about in a year or so, once the investigation & any legal suits are completed. No one will learn from it & then they will have truly died for nothing.
I remember when I had a traffic ticket which I didn't take care of when I was 18 and the cops stopped me when he heard me around the corner (stereo too loud - I know stupid) and he ran my license and arrested me for driving with a suspended license. I called my Dad to bail me out but I ended up spending 4 hours in a holding tank and the night in a cell...He came the next day and asked me how I liked being jailed for being an idiot (his exact words). He was right and I learned what could and will happen if I didn't wake up and realize being an adult isn't just being 18 but taking on the responsibility for your actions.
Too bad these kids won't have the opportunity to learn from their mistake. I hope the parents of the kids who died will learn from this tragedy when dealing with their other kids (if they have any).
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Would you guys view this as any different if the car was an M5 or a 528i? I'm just curious if this would be treated differently by these forum members if the car only had 250hp, yet was still traveling at 140+-mph.
I never drove any different when I had access to a CLK500 and an SL55 at 16 years old. I wouldn't go any faster in the 500hp SL than the 300hp CLK. I may have gotten there quicker with the SL but thats it. Top speed and driving habits were all the same no matter which car I was in.
I have a friend with a '97 Maxima which is slow as hell, yet he cruises highways above 130mph. Yes, the car can influence the driver to go faster...but it is really up to the driver's maturity level and common sense.
I never drove any different when I had access to a CLK500 and an SL55 at 16 years old. I wouldn't go any faster in the 500hp SL than the 300hp CLK. I may have gotten there quicker with the SL but thats it. Top speed and driving habits were all the same no matter which car I was in.
I have a friend with a '97 Maxima which is slow as hell, yet he cruises highways above 130mph. Yes, the car can influence the driver to go faster...but it is really up to the driver's maturity level and common sense.
I think you raise a good point. How many people on this planet have driven a modern 500 hp car? How many have really pushed it beyond the legal speed limits?
The adult driver in this case had absolutely NO perspective on speed. With modern 500 hp cars, you get up to speed so quickly and seamlessly that it doesn't even create a sense of fear....in fact, AMGs / M cars buffers drivers at these high speeds....
Anyway more ammo for the insurance companies that <25 males should pay an ultra high premium.
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I sue kids and their parents all the time for a lot less, but the parent's assets are directly exposed above and beyond their auto liability policy. The insurance company could argue assumption of the risk by the passengers as a defense, but they will not given the gravity of the horrible deaths that ensued.
The parents are exposed under what is called the Family Purpose Doctrine....
Family Purpose Doctrine (n. Regulation that makes an automobile's owner responsible for damages to anyone who is injured which the automobile is driven by a family member, either with or without the owner's permission. This rule of law is applied under the theory that the vehicle is owned for family purposes. Some states use this law instead of requiring a registered owner to be liable for damages caused by anyone who drives his/her car with permission. )
....all of their personal assets including the Parent's home and bank accounts are exposed to a Wrongful Death Judgment.
The parents are exposed under what is called the Family Purpose Doctrine....
Family Purpose Doctrine (n. Regulation that makes an automobile's owner responsible for damages to anyone who is injured which the automobile is driven by a family member, either with or without the owner's permission. This rule of law is applied under the theory that the vehicle is owned for family purposes. Some states use this law instead of requiring a registered owner to be liable for damages caused by anyone who drives his/her car with permission. )
....all of their personal assets including the Parent's home and bank accounts are exposed to a Wrongful Death Judgment.
Regardless of the legal jargon. These were adults, they made a bad decision and now they are all dead. End of story!!
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What a sad and pathetic world we live in when we constantly need to find someone to blame for another individual's poor judgement. Why can't we accept the fact that these young adults all made a bad decision and paid the ultimate price? The fact is.......they were all legal adults.....they all choose to be in that car at it 3:30 am....... they were all trespassing on a private airfield..... they were all VERY illegally traveling at 140+mph in the dark..........and they may have been intoxicated. Wow!! I'm shocked they died.............................and it is obvious that the parents are to blame.
Regardless of the legal jargon. These were adults, they made a bad decision and now they are all dead. End of story!!
Regardless of the legal jargon. These were adults, they made a bad decision and now they are all dead. End of story!!
The ultimate responsibility does lie with the "victims", but if their parents had spent more time instilling values & common sense into them, we might not be reading about this now. I don't know the drivers family personally, but I get the feeling that the parents tried to buy their kids love rather than earn it through interaction with the kid. In one video, a classmate talks about how he always had the nicest clothes, nicest cars, looked good, etc. It just smacks of spoiled rich kid with no values to me. => Parental problem.
http://link.brightcove.com/services/...ctid1392476699
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I agree for the most part, but these were "very young adults", who, as far as I know all still lived at home with their parents. They weren't out of the nest yet & most likely didn't have many real responsibilities or life experience gained from having a job, paying rent, paying insurance. I bet their only concerns were minimal schoolwork at the community college, getting laid & scoring alcohol or drugs.
The ultimate responsibility does lie with the "victims", but if their parents had spent more time instilling values & common sense into them, we might not be reading about this now. I don't know the drivers family personally, but I get the feeling that the parents tried to buy their kids love rather than earn it through interaction with the kid. In one video, a classmate talks about how he always had the nicest clothes, nicest cars, looked good, etc. It just smacks of spoiled rich kid with no values to me. => Parental problem.
http://link.brightcove.com/services/...ctid1392476699
The ultimate responsibility does lie with the "victims", but if their parents had spent more time instilling values & common sense into them, we might not be reading about this now. I don't know the drivers family personally, but I get the feeling that the parents tried to buy their kids love rather than earn it through interaction with the kid. In one video, a classmate talks about how he always had the nicest clothes, nicest cars, looked good, etc. It just smacks of spoiled rich kid with no values to me. => Parental problem.
http://link.brightcove.com/services/...ctid1392476699
Kids today seem to have no sense of fear of what could happen from wrong decisions or bad behavior...I pray for them to see the light before they hurt themselves or others, but I won't hold my breath.
The other families can sue all they want but whatever money they get would be a hollow victory...It won't take away the misery of outliving your child.
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I have a client who's 17 & 18 year old kids are spoiled rotten and constantly disrespect them...yet the parents never truly lay the law down. Spare the rod....
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Some kids just do not respond no matter the reasoning tactics used by their parents; giving the kid an M5 to use certainly did not help things.
I have a client who's 17 & 18 year old kids are spoiled rotten and constantly disrespect them...yet the parents never truly lay the law down. Spare the rod....
I have a client who's 17 & 18 year old kids are spoiled rotten and constantly disrespect them...yet the parents never truly lay the law down. Spare the rod....
I remember pouting in the back of my dad's car when I was 9yrs old because I didn't want to go to some store with my parents...basically acting like a brat...he warned me if I didn't knock it off I would have a real reason to cry...I didn't stop pouting and he stopped the car, threw me out, and said I could walk home and he drove off...(he only drove about a 2 blocks)...I started to cry...he turned around and asked me if I wanted to keep pouting and told me to get in...I was cool with the ride from then on...
That was back in the day (70's) and you probably couldn't get away with that now, but the main point is that I feared and respected my Dad because he would follow through...I screw up I knew something bad was going to happen to me...he told me that would happen to me throughout life...its a truism that I don't think happens enough today though until its too late and the end result is tragic like this...
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Some kids just do not respond no matter the reasoning tactics used by their parents; letting the kid drive a brand new M5 certainly did not help things.
I have a client who's 17 & 18 year old kids are spoiled rotten and constantly disrespect them...yet the parents never truly lay the law down. Spare the rod....
I have a client who's 17 & 18 year old kids are spoiled rotten and constantly disrespect them...yet the parents never truly lay the law down. Spare the rod....
Very true. It's probably my a-hole Marine Corps NCO mentality and the fact that my parents didn't give me anything "extra" as a kid, that I don't believe in rewarding and further enabling bad behavior.
I wanted a truck; my *** was flipping burgers at Burger King while my friends were out partying after school.
IF this kid deserved a vehicle "given" to him, it should have been a super sweet sexy VESPA scooter & a raincoat for when it's wet. I doubt he would have been doing speed runs in that.
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I can't see how you can teach respect at that late stage...you have to start young and make it memorable. I remember acting up when I was maybe 5-6 year old crying for whatever reason...my dad threw me in a closet. I remember crying until I got so tired that I just gave up...
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Rmember Kiwi's pictures of the Audi broken in half?
Turns out a BMW was in the mix with this as well.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...509625656415&q
Kiwi..........................
Turns out a BMW was in the mix with this as well.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...509625656415&q
Kiwi..........................
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Rmember Kiwi's pictures of the Audi broken in half?
Turns out a BMW was in the mix with this as well.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...509625656415&q
Kiwi..........................
Turns out a BMW was in the mix with this as well.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...509625656415&q
Kiwi..........................
That M5 just crashed a couple of months ago, the driver is a member of the M5board. A truck cut him off or something. That Audi is old news.
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Rmember Kiwi's pictures of the Audi broken in half?
Turns out a BMW was in the mix with this as well.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...509625656415&q
Kiwi..........................
Turns out a BMW was in the mix with this as well.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...509625656415&q
Kiwi..........................
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/sho...+touring+crash
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I can't see how you can teach respect at that late stage...you have to start young and make it memorable. I remember acting up when I was maybe 5-6 year old crying for whatever reason...my dad threw me in a closet. I remember crying until I got so tired that I just gave up...
I remember pouting in the back of my dad's car when I was 9yrs old because I didn't want to go to some store with my parents...basically acting like a brat...he warned me if I didn't knock it off I would have a real reason to cry...I didn't stop pouting and he stopped the car, threw me out, and said I could walk home and he drove off...(he only drove about a 2 blocks)...I started to cry...he turned around and asked me if I wanted to keep pouting and told me to get in...I was cool with the ride from then on...
That was back in the day (70's) and you probably couldn't get away with that now, but the main point is that I feared and respected my Dad because he would follow through...I screw up I knew something bad was going to happen to me...he told me that would happen to me throughout life...its a truism that I don't think happens enough today though until its too late and the end result is tragic like this...
I remember pouting in the back of my dad's car when I was 9yrs old because I didn't want to go to some store with my parents...basically acting like a brat...he warned me if I didn't knock it off I would have a real reason to cry...I didn't stop pouting and he stopped the car, threw me out, and said I could walk home and he drove off...(he only drove about a 2 blocks)...I started to cry...he turned around and asked me if I wanted to keep pouting and told me to get in...I was cool with the ride from then on...
That was back in the day (70's) and you probably couldn't get away with that now, but the main point is that I feared and respected my Dad because he would follow through...I screw up I knew something bad was going to happen to me...he told me that would happen to me throughout life...its a truism that I don't think happens enough today though until its too late and the end result is tragic like this...
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Is one of you guys posting on the Ocala boards as "FelixDaHouseCat"?
If not, we're being watched as well: http://forums.ocala.com/eve/forums/a...211086986/p/28
About halfway down, his post starts with an almost word for word copy of what I posted last night, along with other things that I've read here (might not be word for word, but wouldn't surprise me).
If not, we're being watched as well: http://forums.ocala.com/eve/forums/a...211086986/p/28
About halfway down, his post starts with an almost word for word copy of what I posted last night, along with other things that I've read here (might not be word for word, but wouldn't surprise me).
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Is one of you guys posting on the Ocala boards as "FelixDaHouseCat"?
If not, we're being watched as well: http://forums.ocala.com/eve/forums/a...211086986/p/28
About halfway down, his post starts with an almost word for word copy of what I posted last night, along with other things that I've read here (might not be word for word, but wouldn't surprise me).
If not, we're being watched as well: http://forums.ocala.com/eve/forums/a...211086986/p/28
About halfway down, his post starts with an almost word for word copy of what I posted last night, along with other things that I've read here (might not be word for word, but wouldn't surprise me).
