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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 04:34 PM
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I agree that it would not make sense at all on SL, CL, S platforms that are available with the V12 bi-turbo. However, for E, CLS, G, platforms, this would be far cheaper than engine swap from Brabus
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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 05:20 PM
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What I like about the v12's are those bad *** 60ft's on dr's and they definitely take less to initially mod but so do all turbo cars.

Dont you this coulld be cause their transmission programmed to accept all the torgues is makes ???

May be with proper TCU which does not have torgue limiter 60fts would be better ???
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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 06:28 PM
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Dont you this coulld be cause their transmission programmed to accept all the torgues is makes ???

May be with proper TCU which does not have torgue limiter 60fts would be better ???
I use to think that but nobody with a tcu has posted a better 60ft. I now believe it has to do with the v12 engine making so much torque when you power brake that it's raising the stall on the converter allowing for harder launches.

The way I see it the only option is a looser torque converter, keep it a lockup-style like now but higher stall. Fuel economy in the city will suffer but it could also help to mask supercharger engagement, just thinking out load.
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Old Feb 2, 2008 | 04:12 PM
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Old Feb 2, 2008 | 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by rflow306
I'm not sure I can totally agree with that, a stock 65 is lucky to make 500 rwhp stock and 570 with a chip. There are several modded 55's over 500 rwhp with 4 less pistons and a horsepower robbing blower.

What I like about the v12's are those bad *** 60ft's on dr's and they definitely take less to initially mod but so do all turbo cars.

Chipped 65's are capable of 750lb-ft torque at the wheels and 10-second 1/4 mile times without nitrous. Without Nitrous, the highest torque 55 engine can make is around 550lb-ft... 200 less than 65 and low 11's in the 1/4 mile. There is a reason the world record for the fastest (225mph) 4-door car is a Brabus CLS with a V12 engine swap. If they could've achieved that record with 55 engine, I doubt they would go all out and swap the engine.
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Old Feb 2, 2008 | 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Addicted2Speed
Without Nitrous, the highest torque 55 engine can make is around 550lb-ft... 200 less than 65 and low 11's in the 1/4 mile. There is a reason the world record for the fastest (225mph) 4-door car is a Brabus CLS with a V12 engine swap. If they could've achieved that record with 55 engine, I doubt they would go all out and swap the engine.
550lb-ft is Not the Highest Torque a 55 Engine can make Without Nitrous. 550lb-ft was All that the Engine Builder Made for that Particular 55.
Barbus did the V12 Engine Swap because it's Easier to get More Power, but that Doesn't Mean One can't with a 55. Stay Tuned!

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Old Feb 2, 2008 | 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Addicted2Speed
Chipped 65's are capable of 750lb-ft torque at the wheels and 10-second 1/4 mile times without nitrous. Without Nitrous, the highest torque 55 engine can make is around 550lb-ft... 200 less than 65 and low 11's in the 1/4 mile. There is a reason the world record for the fastest (225mph) 4-door car is a Brabus CLS with a V12 engine swap. If they could've achieved that record with 55 engine, I doubt they would go all out and swap the engine.
Any e55 with over 500+ rwhp will make 570+ torque, not sure where you got the 550 max number.
The reason Brabus decided to go that route because it was easier for them to do an engine swap than develop a larger blower or make it turbo.
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Old Feb 2, 2008 | 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by rflow306
I use to think that but nobody with a tcu has posted a better 60ft. I now believe it has to do with the v12 engine making so much torque when you power brake that it's raising the stall on the converter allowing for harder launches.

The way I see it the only option is a looser torque converter, keep it a lockup-style like now but higher stall. Fuel economy in the city will suffer but it could also help to mask supercharger engagement, just thinking out load.
What about if we use diff convers with allows to launch at higher Rpms +300-400 ???

Here I cant even think about it....cause I cant hook up...
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Old Feb 4, 2008 | 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Addicted2Speed
Chipped 65's are capable of 750lb-ft torque at the wheels and 10-second 1/4 mile times without nitrous. Without Nitrous, the highest torque 55 engine can make is around 550lb-ft... 200 less than 65 and low 11's in the 1/4 mile. There is a reason the world record for the fastest (225mph) 4-door car is a Brabus CLS with a V12 engine swap. If they could've achieved that record with 55 engine, I doubt they would go all out and swap the engine.
RFLOW has the fastest Benz in the 1/4 mile and its a 55, it runs what it runs and the 55k with nos is faster than a chipped 65
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Old Feb 4, 2008 | 09:44 PM
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Any updates?
Nothing from My End.
Last I know, The Heads Were on Their Way to Canada to be Turned Into Stage III Heads.
The Enlarged Ferrea Valves Take 4-5 Weeks to Come In and it takes 1 Week to Complete the Stage III Heads.
I Just Have This Weird Feeling That My Heads Might Be Finished A little Faster Than I Thought.

On a Side Note, I Did Add a Small Addition to the List Of Mods.
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Old Feb 4, 2008 | 10:04 PM
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Old Feb 4, 2008 | 11:32 PM
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How about a hint?
OK, It's A HUGE Addition!
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OK, It's A HUGE Addition!
The VRP SLR style Intercooler?

If it is
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The VRP SLR style Intercooler?

If it is
I Wish, But I'm Going to Have To Say No To The Intercoolers!

But It's Way BIGGER Than That!
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Old Feb 4, 2008 | 11:54 PM
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I Wish, But I'm Going to Have To Say No To The Intercoolers!

But It's Way BIGGER Than That!
2 really big snails that love to eat air???
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Old Feb 5, 2008 | 01:04 AM
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2 really big snails that love to eat air???
Not Yet...
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Old Feb 5, 2008 | 01:39 AM
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2 really big snails that love to eat air???
A really hot chick that knows how to cook, clean, let's you spend some of HER money, knows how to do that cool swirly thing with her tongue, doesn't talk endlessly, is not stuck up, jealous, and psycho????

Or

Custom AWD setup?

Or

'Strong like bull!' tranny?
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Old Feb 5, 2008 | 01:45 AM
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A really hot chick that knows how to cook, clean, let's you spend some of HER money, knows how to do that cool swirly thing with her tongue, doesn't talk endlessly, is not stuck up, jealous, and psycho????
Or
Custom AWD setup?
Or
'Strong like bull!' tranny?
GOOD ONE!! That's Just Impossible!
You Win Something For That One!
To Answer The Other Two: No and No.

It's HUGE!!
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Old Feb 5, 2008 | 01:55 AM
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GOOD ONE!! That's Just Impossible!
You Win Something For That One!
'I would like to thank the Academy for this award....'

Okay, I give.... But wait a minute!!

CARBON FIBER ROOF STRUCTURE?????
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Old Feb 5, 2008 | 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Ghostrider
'I would like to thank the Academy for this award....'

Okay, I give.... But wait a minute!!

CARBON FIBER ROOF STRUCTURE?????
HaHaHaHaHaHa!!!!!


NEGATIVE ON THE "CARBON FIBER ROOF STRUCTURE"
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Old Feb 5, 2008 | 02:03 AM
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how about a big fat kenne bell s/c (or the equivalent).
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Old Feb 5, 2008 | 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Havoc
HaHaHaHaHaHa!!!!!


NEGATIVE ON THE "CARBON FIBER ROOF STRUCTURE"
Copy. Roger that!

That's all I have right now... But since it's you, I'll give it one more try. So, from this Army brat -

'The Power Of Flight.'*



*'The Power Of Flight.' No longer available in Havoc's SL55....

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Old Feb 5, 2008 | 02:19 AM
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how about a big fat kenne bell s/c (or the equivalent).
Wow. That's a really good answer too....
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Old Feb 5, 2008 | 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Ghostrider
Wow. That's a really good answer too....
Yes, That is A Good Answer! A Must Have Mod In The Near Future Too!

Negatron!

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