Addicted2Speed

Well, you stated that your goal was 500whp. All I was saying was that if you want 500whp, it is irrational to start with a 63 platform. No 63 engine has ever produced anywhere near 500whp and never will without forced induction, it is simply not possible to achieve an 80whp+ gain with bolt on modifications on a high compression, naturally aspired engine. The highest you can realistically hope for is in the mid 400 range. Your goal is impossible to achieve on the E63, its that simple. On the other hand, there are many E55's that have well over 500whp without nitrous. This car one example of E55 making well over 500whp.

http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...lip-10764.html

DAGREEKNYC

ok so we know that the 55's for hp increase and best performance out of a MB. Well my story is i wanted a new car and not a previous model . so if ur's is faster mines newer . lol beat that !!!!



going to do the renntech ecu upgrade and exhaust next week or two and then i will dyno again . and a lil sneaky pete 50 shot isnt out of the question as of yet .

Zax63

And we'll never get to the moon either. Give it time. It's just a matter of time before someone who is out of warrantee has the cohones to throw a 125 hp nitrous shot on the e63, then there is your number. Or headers, VRP 530 kit, and a 75 hp shot. I suspect that AMG overbuilt the motor, and it will handle it... just blowing a rod outta the block is going to be reaaalllly expensive. More money than I can handle, anyway. Of course then there is the problem of the weak-*ss tranny imploding. I expect people will either be retrofitting the e55 5spd or limiting the nitrous hits. Oh, and Malaka man, your sig is my vote for hottest sig on Mbworld. Mods, she is wearing clothes I'm pretty sure, and you definitely should not ban her.

NickyBlack

LOL
+3

jrcart

Bro, he was refering to my car, I hit 206 in mine.....HO HO HO! Grab your Diablo if you want to try me or doubt me, just stay in your own lane, I hear crap starts falling off of those things at around 180...shouldn't matter though, I will be ahead of you!

jrcart

NO 63 ENGINE HAS EVER PRODUCED ANYWHERE NEAR 500WHP AND NEVER WILL WITHOUT FORCED INDUCTION????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????My 63 makes over 500 at the wheels...No nitrous, to turbo, no blower! I think you need to get off of your 55 high horse and pay attention to whats going on with the 63's. DUDE GET A CLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHY DON'T YOU SCROLL TO THE TOP OF THE PAGE AND CHECK OUT THE EVOSPORT 63 PROJECT...THAT'S MY CAR, DO YOU KNOW HOW TO READ A DYNO CHART? LOOKS LIKE 500WHP TO ME! ALSO FOR ANYONE WHO MAY DOUBTING THOSE DYNO FIGURES OR THINKS THEY MAY HAVE BEEN FUDGED, I HAD A LOCAL SHOP HERE IN CHICAGO DYNO THE CAR FOR ME TWO DAYS AGO JUST TO KEEP EVOSPORT HONEST.....FINAL NUMBERS HERE WERE SLIGHTLY HIGHER (502.4WHP) WITH A NEAR IDENTICAL CURVE.

jrcart

All of these friggin experts on here.........some of you guys are unreal!

france2112

You should of saved a few more $$$ and got an S65 and called it a day. You are going to spend a gazillion dollars trying to get the E63 to only be near the S65 stock. Too late I guess since you already have the E63. Good luck.

Larry

Yacht Master

VRP has a blower in the works for the 63, I try to find the thread.

The 63 can probably be taken to 500 rwhp in its NA form but it will be at the top end 6000 rpm and up, and cost more than most other cars to mod . You may want to do a search for information on the E 63's 7G
transmission .

Zod

Just curious i know you were the first but how much did you pay?
give a ball park figure so the rest can have an idea of how much $$ it will take!
Plus the fact that your car is a BS model has to help i think!

Much congrats though to you, you lucky man you!!!
I know i would be happy

Mathmik

I need to read more too...... I didn't have a clue either. 500hp I'm excited mines next

jrcart

The fact that mine is a Black Series has absolutely nothing to do with it. All 63 engines are nearly the same with HP rating ranging between 475 (clk 63 cabrio) - 525 (S63). AMG is electronically tuning them to the above mentioned HP ratings. In fact the CLS and E63 make 514 HP(@crank) vs. 500 for the Black Series.

You 63 owners that are serious about modding your cars need to talk to some people and tuners that know what they are talking about rather than just listening to some of these 55 owners that are so obviously living in the past. Don't get me wrong the 55 was and is a great platform, but do you really think MB is going to take a step backwards in the HP wars against BMW and Audi? I don't think so!

Evosport and I are already working on the next stages of tuning my car, which I might add DOES NOT include supercharging, a turbo or nitrous. 530+WHP is a very realistic number with this engine.

As for the cost, I really can't give you an accurate estimate. I had so many things done above and beyond the tuning portion. I had a roll bar fabricated, wheels, new steel brake lines, custome carbon fiber aero package. Plus I shipped my car to them and had them install everything so I don't know the actual price of the parts only. I would just call Brad at Evosport and he will be able to give you prices.

05VENOM

What does the S65 do in the 1/4..stock? Some 63's have already hit 12.1-2. Didn't think the 65 was that fast..with the added weight.

jrcart

I assume you either have really small feet or a really big mouth or both seeing that you are always putting your foot in your mouth! Your whimmpy little SLK makes a measly 355 HP, under 300 at the wheels. My car makes that at 4000rpm. Do you want to get down to the nitty gritty? My car makes more WHP than your SLK and Lotus Elise, I mean Toyota Elise, I mean Lotus, I mean, well you know what I mean, combined...that's embarrasing! LOL! Yet you state you can't make any real HP with the 63. Does the state pay a portion of your salary? You stated in another thread that " all you have to do is slap on a supercharger and you can get 470whp but 400 is more realistic". Even with my poor public school math skills 502WHP is more than 470WHP....isn't it??? WHATS YOUR ADDRESS? I'M GOING TO SEND YOU THE "HOOKED ON MATH" CD'S, my treat!

Is the Speacial Olympics featuring auto-cross as an exhibition event this year? They must be!

jrcart

It's not that fast, a S65 does 0-60 4.5sec. and 1/4 mile in 12.7sec. That is fast for a car of it's size and weight, but not fast when you are talking about cars with 4.1 0-60 and 12.25 1/4 mile times. A half of a second at 115mph is over 6 car lengths (84 feet to be exact)...that is not even close in my book.

juicee63

I finally have some help LOL!!! WOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOO let the REVOLUTION BEGIN

This Black Series 63 is flat out AMAZING in performance and LOOKS are off the shizzzzzzznizzzzzzzzle. There are some great options on the 63 now thanks to this project. Jcart has the headers and is making 62more HP than my CLS. The fact it is a 200 mph plus car is

Yacht Master

The next thing is the 65 in twin turbo and or quad turbo (1K HP.). S class CL and SL 65s are what most E55 guys are moving to now. The potential in the V12 is incredible. Here is an S class running 11.07 with bolt-ons from RennTech.

http://www.dragtimes.com/compare2.ph...ame=Compare%21

As you can see the S65RT is more than a full second faster than the stock CLK63 Black series.

jrcart

Maybe you should consider changing your screen name to ADDICTED2WEED....

jrcart

Spoken like a true expert. Where do you come up with your facts? Do you just make them up as you go along? I've got one for you...If you're looking for big power why did you buy one of the lowest HP rated and slowest 55's ever produced? Inquiring minds want to know!

juicee63

You are comparing a stock 63 with a highly modded 65?

The fastest Benzo is still the 55 on spray, so if all you need is quicks, go with the NOS on either the 63 or 55 and you have a 10-11 second car. Cheap too

Actually NOS on any benz seems to really make her MOVE.

J 2OOI

oldgixxer

Damn,it's gettin ruff in here!Jrcart,ya gotta relax man ur gonna scare everyone away lol
FYI: CL,SL&S65's will run 11.50's(if not faster) all day w a $5,000 ECU&TCU flash

jrcart

I'm not trying to scare anyone away, just putting some of these "experts" in their place. If they are going to come on here and start spouting off, they damn well better have the facts to back it up!

BTW: No S65 is going to run a 11.50 or faster with only a re-flash IMPOSSIBLE....or prove it!

oldgixxer

Now what???
http://dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Benz-S...slip-9696.html
Impossible...
Same car w drag radials:
http://dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Benz-S...lip-10181.html
Absolutely impossible...

You think I make this crap up or actually KNOW what I'm talkin about??

Lets look at the heavy azz SL65:
http://dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Benz-S...lip-11549.html
Hmm,impossible again

Gets better:
http://dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Benz-S...lip-11549.html
Once again....yup,impossible
BONE stock CL65
http://dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Benz-C...slip-4435.html,
Oh no,impossible once more.Damn!!

whatchu think it could do with another 100+hp&150lb/ft from ECU&TCU flash?Me no genius but most likely a *bit*faster huh?

There,I PROVED IT
Its very possible&it's realtively inexpensive.N/A AMG will NEVER touch 65tt

jrcart

You didn't prove squat...all you proved is that you are illiterate! Most of those times you posted are for SL and CL65's YOU FRIGGIN IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!There is a big difference between a 5100 pound S65 and a 4000 pound CL65. Furthermore there is clearly more than an ECU re-flash, how else do you explain the range of HP numbers from mid 500-mid 600's? Like I said...get your facts straight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I need your address too, I getting you the "Hooked On Reading" CD's to go along with ADDICTED2SPEEDS "Hooked On Math" CD's.