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Old Jul 23, 2008 | 08:31 PM
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Hi guys
I just got Automobile mag. There was an article about new CLS
MB will have three engines for CLS
1. CLS350 306hp in 2012
2. CLS550 5.5 V8, 388hp and 5.5 V8 twin turbo 435 hp in 2012
3. CLS55 5.5 V8 twin turbo 570 hp in 2012

I think new E class will get same engines.
So 55 is coming back with twin turbo.
I am not sure about the look of new cls and e class, but the engine sure sound
great!
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Old Jul 23, 2008 | 08:40 PM
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Old Jul 23, 2008 | 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Ckim1021
Hi guys
I just got Automobile mag. There was an article about new CLS
MB will have three engines for CLS
1. CLS350 306hp in 2012
2. CLS550 5.5 V8, 388hp and 5.5 V8 twin turbo 435 hp in 2012
3. CLS55 5.5 V8 twin turbo 570 hp in 2012

I think new E class will get same engines.
So 55 is coming back with twin turbo.
I am not sure about the look of new cls and e class, but the engine sure sound
great!
Just the teaser and not the whole article?
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Old Jul 23, 2008 | 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Ckim1021
Hi guys
I just got Automobile mag. There was an article about new CLS
MB will have three engines for CLS
1. CLS350 306hp in 2012
2. CLS550 5.5 V8, 388hp and 5.5 V8 twin turbo 435 hp in 2012
3. CLS55 5.5 V8 twin turbo 570 hp in 2012

I think new E class will get same engines.
So 55 is coming back with twin turbo.
I am not sure about the look of new cls and e class, but the engine sure sound
great!
The World will be over by then. 2012 WTF? 3 years after the intro of the W212?
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Old Jul 23, 2008 | 09:46 PM
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But is that what Mercedes is offering or AMG?
That is the question will we see a TT63 AMG?
TT63 rhymes
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Old Jul 23, 2008 | 09:52 PM
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3. CLS55 5.5 V8 twin turbo 570 hp in 2012
I want!
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Old Jul 23, 2008 | 10:54 PM
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Old Jul 23, 2008 | 11:34 PM
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I agree with the hp numbers, but the big boss just reiterated it again this week.

They'll be up and spinning by early 10, late 10 at the latest.

Benz needs them inline super fast to conform to super greeners overseas.

Never thought I would say this but

THANK YOU GREENS!!!

Without you, no turbs to mod.

Can't wait!!!

HOWEVER I did have a thought. Would almost guarantee that AMG will keep the tranny lower torque limit to keep us modders at bay.

It'll all be on you Vadim!! You'll have to save us with tranny mods.
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Old Jul 23, 2008 | 11:35 PM
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The World will be over by then. 2012 WTF? 3 years after the intro of the W212?
Good point...... why not in 2010 with the introduction of the new E-Class W212
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Old Jul 23, 2008 | 11:45 PM
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So does it even make sense to go into a 63 motor at this time?
I need a car in a year and want an AMG but if they're going to change the motors significantly does it make sense?
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Old Jul 23, 2008 | 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by MB_Forever
Good point...... why not in 2010 with the introduction of the new E-Class W212
I wonder if the 5.5 will be the current 550 motor with Turbs or a destroked 6.3 motor. Thoughts? Yeah, 2012 would be way out there three years after the W212 introduction, doesent make sense, Geez WTF
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Old Jul 24, 2008 | 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Yacht Master
But is that what Mercedes is offering or AMG?
That is the question will we see a TT63 AMG?
TT63 rhymes
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AMG will be getting 5.5 V8 with 570hp. That is what the article is saying.
It did not mention 6.3 V8 TT. I thought that they might use 6.3 TT. I am sure they spent a lot of money in R&D on 6.3 engine and it seems waste of money to dump 6.3 engines from their lineup.

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Old Jul 24, 2008 | 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Ckim1021
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AMG will be getting 5.5 V8 with 570hp. That is what the article is saying.
It did not mention 6.3 V8 TT. I thought that they might use 6.3 TT. I am sure they spent a lot of money in R&D on 6.3 engine and it seems waste of money to dump 6.3 engines from their lineup.
They won't dump that 6.3 engine as yet. They'll need it later for 6.3TT as an upgrade from 5.5TT
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Old Jul 24, 2008 | 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by deaguero
I wonder if the 5.5 will be the current 550 motor with Turbs or a destroked 6.3 motor. Thoughts? Yeah, 2012 would be way out there three years after the W212 introduction, doesent make sense, Geez WTF
The 550 motor with turbos to replace the the 63's and the 63's with turbos to replace the 65's...guess that could work
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Old Jul 24, 2008 | 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted by deaguero
I wonder if the 5.5 will be the current 550 motor with Turbs or a destroked 6.3 motor. Thoughts? Yeah, 2012 would be way out there three years after the W212 introduction, doesent make sense, Geez WTF
Maybe....... but I was under the impression that AMG will start to build their own engines and not take Mercedes engines and modify them anymore. Isn't the 6.3 engine is the first engine to be built completely by AMG
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Old Jul 24, 2008 | 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by MB_Forever
Maybe....... but I was under the impression that AMG will start to build their own engines and not take Mercedes engines and modify them anymore. Isn't the 6.3 engine is the first engine to be built completely by AMG
Ya but maintenance and spare parts, R&D, training work force, facilities are allot of $$$ on the 63.
With the old 55, it was the standard 500 engine tinkered with, which was readily available, was in great supply and was cost affective, as it sold as both the 500 & 55 & 55k variants
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Old Jul 24, 2008 | 09:49 AM
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Maybe....... but I was under the impression that AMG will start to build their own engines and not take Mercedes engines and modify them anymore. Isn't the 6.3 engine is the first engine to be built completely by AMG
I totally agree with you....AMG, starting with the 63 engine is going to be totally an AMG vehicle and not AMG and Merc combined. The 55 engine is an old design, 3 valves, etc, etc, the 63 engine on the other hand is a totally new and clean design. My guess is that they will de-stroke the 63. It also would not surprise me that AMG will fly their own banner, with Merc just being an outlet for them. Merc has stated that by 2015, they will be all green, meaning electric, hybrid, and fuel cell....where does that leave AMG. I doubt the AMG will have a performance electric vehicle. Who knows...this was just some outside the box thinking!
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Originally Posted by Ckim1021
3. CLS55 5.5 V8 twin turbo 570 hp in 2012
Nah. Think i'll wait for the 1500 hp version. Should be out in 2040.
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Old Jul 24, 2008 | 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Ckim1021
2. CLS550 5.5 V8, 388hp and 5.5 V8 twin turbo 435 hp in 2012
So which one is it for the CLS550? In the modern MB nomenclature, two different engines will not share the same model number.......... besides, how would people differentiate the two?
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The 550 motor with turbos to replace the the 63's and the 63's with turbos to replace the 65's...guess that could work
Maybe not. Then the 65s would be V8s and the 600s would remain V12s?
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An article I read yesterday claims MB will have Turbo Engine options IN ALL CLASSES by 2010, http://www.autobloggreen.com/2008/07...ineup-by-2010/

Excerpt: Mercedes Benz will make a major push toward down-sizing engines in the next three years. Thomas Weber, Daimler board member responsible for research and development has announced that every model in the Mercedes lineup will offer a turbocharged engine the end of 2010. All of the turbocharged engines will feature smaller displacements for reduced fuel consumption, with the turbos providing increased power on-demand.

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Old Jul 31, 2008 | 03:59 AM
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So it looks like new E63 or maybe E55 will have turbocharger for sure.
Is it going to be similar to E55(supercharged) with tons of torque?


here is link for spy video
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...hotopanel..3.*

Spy shots
http://www.leftlanenews.com/mercedes...edan-2010.html

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It'll all be on you Vadim!! You'll have to save us with tranny mods.


My gues it will be a debored version of M156 (6.3). With direct injection and high compression - 12:1.
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2012, they have to do something before then..... 2010 E with the 570 HP, v8tt.....
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