Update: MHP ECU/TCU Tuning (Throttle Blipping, etc, DONE!)
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I just threw up a thread looking for a stock E63 for us to tune at a significantly discounted rate, this will be the last discounted 63 variant that we do. There is no question in my mind we'll hit 440rwhp/400rwtq with the v2 tune which is also what I would expect when we tune an E63. Again this is just filters/tuning, no other mods on straight 93 octane.
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or send me a PM with your # and I'll call you (please let me know when it's convenient to speak with you).
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Wow!! What an elitist. What's next? Will you now start calling us little men, idiots or maybe even wannabes because we fail to possess the latest and greatest automobiles?
I will now refer to you as VICcart in all future correspondence.
I will now refer to you as VICcart in all future correspondence.
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Going over the graphs,
Notice that we make 350rwtq+ from 3000-6400rpm
Renntech makes 350rwtq from 3500-6000rpm.
We make 400rwhp from 5450+
Renntech makes 400rwhp from 6000+.
We make 350rwhp from 4700rpm+
Renntech makes 350rw from 5000rpm+.
These are HUGE differences.
Notice that we make 350rwtq+ from 3000-6400rpm
Renntech makes 350rwtq from 3500-6000rpm.
We make 400rwhp from 5450+
Renntech makes 400rwhp from 6000+.
We make 350rwhp from 4700rpm+
Renntech makes 350rw from 5000rpm+.
These are HUGE differences.
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rpm v rpm
v Renntech (also notice how low their base numbers are compared to ours...)
I was watching the A/F meter during testing today and the operator didn't want to hit the limiter which is why we didn't pull quite as high. I'll make sure I do the testing myself next time.
v Renntech (also notice how low their base numbers are compared to ours...)
I was watching the A/F meter during testing today and the operator didn't want to hit the limiter which is why we didn't pull quite as high. I'll make sure I do the testing myself next time.
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anyone that knows me, knows i've been trying to get tuners to work on our tq limiters for a while. i've even solicited most of the respected srt8 tuners over the past year. i've wanted this longer than anyone here and i'm pulling for this to happen more than anyone. just show me results without unsubstantiated "can do" claims. is that too much to ask for? and don't flame me for being honest about what i'm seeing. too many newbies around here don't know the history that some of us do about tuners blowing up motors with their special "our tune is better than theirs" ecu mapping. so forgive me for being the voice of reason.
forgive me for saying this but i know it's on many peoples' minds and i could care less about the flak i'll get...many new members have really run this place into the ground. to the point that it's worse than the m boards anymore. no wonder many respected senior members are starting their own forums. what i really find ironic is the fact that most of these new members are clk bs owners.
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Like everyone else, I am sitting back and waiting for some hard data comparison figures. But, in the meantime, I am wondering why all the tuners with years in the business have not been able to crack the forbidden torque limiting code and all of a sudden someone comes out of the clear blue sky and states that he is the only one in the world who can do it. This is begining to sound like presidential politics.
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forgive me for saying this but i know it's on many peoples' minds and i could care less about the flak i'll get...many new members have really run this place into the ground. to the point that it's worse than the m boards anymore. no wonder many respected senior members are starting their own forums. what i really find ironic is the fact that most of these new members are clk bs owners.
forgive me for saying this but i know it's on many peoples' minds and i could care less about the flak i'll get...many new members have really run this place into the ground. to the point that it's worse than the m boards anymore. no wonder many respected senior members are starting their own forums. what i really find ironic is the fact that most of these new members are clk bs owners.
But I'm okay with the idea that the tune evolves as it's tested and refined. I got the impression that some people expected it to be perfect on the first try.
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ummm speaking of change when the heck did you get a CLKBS, damn talk about steppin it up, congrats bro!! Post some pics!
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E63,,,not any more,,,BMW X5 50i
That happens with all boards, change is inevitable and uninvited. I agree with you on the delivery versus promises, I'm not overwhelmed by what I see either.
But I'm okay with the idea that the tune evolves as it's tested and refined. I got the impression that some people expected it to be perfect on the first try.
But I'm okay with the idea that the tune evolves as it's tested and refined. I got the impression that some people expected it to be perfect on the first try.
"63" guys more competitive, and cars more driveable. Thanks Andy!!
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Yes. Explain to me why I should be impressed at C63 tuning in the W211 E forum?
Show me E results, and show me baselines with torque figures. An improvement dyno graph means nothing without a complete baseline. On this same subject, as stated in your C63 thread, the baseline dyno pulls also have to be taken into consideration when comparing to competitors dynos. Someone mentioned that the Renntech car dyno'd lower than yours, which would account for the gains at higher RPM and negate much of an improvement as shown in your graphs. Although I haven't spent too much time comparing those graphs since they're in different gears.
Also, I think it's important for you to respond to the long-term reliability comment that has been brought to the forefront a few times in this thread. Do you think that the reason no other supplier has offered TCU tuning is due to reliability concerns?
You're obviously tuning your ECU's/TCU's for 1/4 mile performance. How is this going to effect daily drivability, if at all?
Show me E results, and show me baselines with torque figures. An improvement dyno graph means nothing without a complete baseline. On this same subject, as stated in your C63 thread, the baseline dyno pulls also have to be taken into consideration when comparing to competitors dynos. Someone mentioned that the Renntech car dyno'd lower than yours, which would account for the gains at higher RPM and negate much of an improvement as shown in your graphs. Although I haven't spent too much time comparing those graphs since they're in different gears.
Also, I think it's important for you to respond to the long-term reliability comment that has been brought to the forefront a few times in this thread. Do you think that the reason no other supplier has offered TCU tuning is due to reliability concerns?
You're obviously tuning your ECU's/TCU's for 1/4 mile performance. How is this going to effect daily drivability, if at all?
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I guess you can call me a newbe on these boards here,,,,when I first came on here,, I noticed that this board was ruled the the "55" guys, and rightfully so, their cars were the beasts. Then came the "63" guys and I felt that we were kind of looked down on, from "no way can your cars can compete with us, too, not making the hp we can, etc, etc. Then Andy comes along and he ruffles some feathers from the "55" guys, with them claiming that he can't do that or show me, or what have you. I for one welcome his input here, and feel he is doing something that I found very lacking,,,,that being making us
"63" guys more competitive, and cars more driveable. Thanks Andy!!
"63" guys more competitive, and cars more driveable. Thanks Andy!!
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What, are you blind ?? You asked for dyno numbers, now you have them and you're still questioning....Andy's posted video's of his car pulling on a 55k that should have walked all over the C63. Other members have posted their first hand experience with Andy's car and validated its legitimacy. Perhaps you just don't want to believe what is right in front of you, or perhaps you're just too stupid to see it. Either way it makes no difference to me and you can follow suit with the other "senior" members and go start your own forum if you don't like the atmosphere here.
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No apparent reason ???
What, are you blind ?? You asked for dyno numbers, now you have them and you're still questioning....Andy's posted video's of his car pulling on a 55k that should have walked all over the C63. Other members have posted their first hand experience with Andy's car and validated its legitimacy. Perhaps you just don't want to believe what is right in front of you, or perhaps you're just too stupid to see it. Either way it makes no difference to me and you can follow suit with the other "senior" members and go start your own forum if you don't like the atmosphere here.
What, are you blind ?? You asked for dyno numbers, now you have them and you're still questioning....Andy's posted video's of his car pulling on a 55k that should have walked all over the C63. Other members have posted their first hand experience with Andy's car and validated its legitimacy. Perhaps you just don't want to believe what is right in front of you, or perhaps you're just too stupid to see it. Either way it makes no difference to me and you can follow suit with the other "senior" members and go start your own forum if you don't like the atmosphere here.
I believe that there has to be a motive for the select few idiots that can't understand or want to understand that Andy is substantiating his boasts with all of the information that is being asked of him.
As I've said to Andy on the phone and here on the forum: DON'T lower yourself to these clowns and stop acknowledging these asinine nay sayers that will continue to complain about something no matter what Andy does.
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No apparent reason ???
What, are you blind ?? You asked for dyno numbers, now you have them and you're still questioning....Andy's posted video's of his car pulling on a 55k that should have walked all over the C63. Other members have posted their first hand experience with Andy's car and validated its legitimacy. Perhaps you just don't want to believe what is right in front of you, or perhaps you're just too stupid to see it. Either way it makes no difference to me and you can follow suit with the other "senior" members and go start your own forum if you don't like the atmosphere here.
What, are you blind ?? You asked for dyno numbers, now you have them and you're still questioning....Andy's posted video's of his car pulling on a 55k that should have walked all over the C63. Other members have posted their first hand experience with Andy's car and validated its legitimacy. Perhaps you just don't want to believe what is right in front of you, or perhaps you're just too stupid to see it. Either way it makes no difference to me and you can follow suit with the other "senior" members and go start your own forum if you don't like the atmosphere here.
nice try but if you had a clue you'd know that i've never asked for dyno numbers... EVER! i don't give a rats *** about dyno numbers, especially numbers coming from a dynojet. the only numbers i've referred to were track numbers so if you want to discuss those then lets talk.
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Well said.
I believe that there has to be a motive for the select few idiots that can't understand or want to understand that Andy is substantiating his boasts with all of the information that is being asked of him.
As I've said to Andy on the phone and here on the forum: DON'T lower yourself to these clowns and stop acknowledging these asinine nay sayers that will continue to complain about something no matter what Andy does.
I believe that there has to be a motive for the select few idiots that can't understand or want to understand that Andy is substantiating his boasts with all of the information that is being asked of him.
As I've said to Andy on the phone and here on the forum: DON'T lower yourself to these clowns and stop acknowledging these asinine nay sayers that will continue to complain about something no matter what Andy does.
i've never attacked andy and, in fact through our pm's, he should know i'm hoping tcu tuning works out.
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