AMGfan

Can someone standup for Andy without implying someone is stupid? I think it can be done...instead we are getting another internet ultimate fighting thread.

higginsbeach

Right on Mickey........

Some of us have seen other E55's engines get blown due to incorrect mapping of ECU's and TCU's. I for one, would be extremely careful and PATIENT. Our engines are not cheap and I for one would not want to replace my bottom end due to an overly agressive mapping. For those of you who are newer to the forum, do a search on ECU/TCU and see some history and why Mikey says what he says.

He is looking out for your best interest and I would respect his voice of concern.

Peace

MHP

This forum asked for track/dyno/video results and we've bent over backwards doing so--sometimes in less than optimal (ie only getting to make one pass at the track yet still posting the results even though due to driver error they weren't as good as they should've been) conditions yet they were delivered.

We just beat every other tune only 63 out there by a longshot with V1, V2 will make 440rwhp_/400rwtq+ and then what...What other hoops will we have to jump through?

At this point I'm starting to think we should've started into the Euro market with M5/M6s.

MHP

I can understand that you and evidently quite a few others have been burned by subpar tuners in the past. I'm sorry, I've been there myself (when I was a kid in college) and I know the feeling, it absolutely sucks. With that being said holding their wrongs against us (we've NEVER lost a motor build, tune, or otherwise) isn't exactly fair either.

As I said before I have races setup with an E63 (DRs), stock 08 Gallardo, and stock C63--the owner of the stock C63 is a mbworld member and will also post his feelings on my car after driving.

After that we'll test V2 (dyno/track) and then I'm moving onto LTs,exhaust, CAIs.

I don't know what else you can ask us to prove for you at this point. You've got testimony from a K3 E55 owner, vids of speedo/tach/other cars, track data, dyno data...What else is there?

MHP

Thanks for your support and objective viewpoint on the matter.

MHP

Our v1 tuning just beat everyone else's and there's a lot left on the table in v2. What else can I say?

As for the delivery vs promises comment, what haven't we delivered on?

LZH

Interesting how you ask me to chill then immediately follow that by some incoherent and disgusting visual about acne, puss and then a veiled attempt at calling me a wife beater wearing redneck....nice. Way to lend credibility to your argument.
Simply put, Andy has provided everything your dumb *** has asked for; including track numbers. Yet, you refuse to comment. So, you wanna talk....lets talk about how his C63 just put down the fastest 1/4 mile to date. Lets also talk about how his C63 hung with a K3 E55 that should have walked all over it with it's many mods. Mods that you cannot just take off when you want to goto the dealer for warranty work.
You seem blinded by your own anger and frustration. Perhaps, it's simply because you are bent because Andy bypassed your "older platform" 55 motor and made a "lateral shift" directly to tuning the 63 motor. Either way, I really don't give a ***** as you have been provided with real world data yet continue to talk out of your *** while your head is buried in the sand. Good luck with that.

AMGfan

+1...

JAYCL600

When do we get to talk about fast cars in this thread, oops just teasin

Yacht Master

I have to agree, The new guests have changed the tone in here, I don't care for it to much, but they have a right to be here and conduct themselves as they feel is appropriate.
I don't see why all the commotion, there are a number of stock E63s in the low 12.1s. Oldgixxer comes to mind, 11.952 118.32 7.756 92.96 1.83 39.0 E63 Oldgixxer(STOCK on a real good DAy)

I Like Soup

So is the argument against Andy's work so far that he has taken a detuned C63 engine, basically tuned it to the point it is comparable to an E63's output, and had a comparable quarter mile time with other stock E63's? If that were it, I'd say yeah, no biggie since the power is already "built" in to the engine and the C is lighter. But, his run with Rock's E has got to mean something. That and some other's input on the shifts are much better.

I guess I really have nothing vested in these arguments until they reach the '55 guys. But, I do like the interest level and the thought you can "detune" the big brother robbing torque limits in the TCU.

DFW01E55

Well here's what you said to Rock when he asked what your tune would do for a 55:
Given that level of performance promise and combined with the fact that there are stock E63's and 63 Black Series out there running faster traps and times than this tune did ... maybe you can see why I question what's been delivered.

chiromikey

andy,

please don't assume I've ever been burned by a tuner because that's far from the case.

lzh,

I've never refused to comment on track numbers. when I brought up 60ft time, et, and mph it was dismissed as a bad day so I left it alone because bad days happen. my only sub par comments have come after being attacked by the peanut gallery of clk bs owners.

MHP

Some factors (these are NOT excuses) that need to be addressed:

1) I ran at Norwalk which is 850' above sea level on a night where there was still positive DA, not at an East Coast track at sea level with negative DA mineshaft air.

2) My C63 had 2200 miles on it at the time of the test.

3) I've made a total of 5 passes in the car to date. Only 1 with DRs, tuning, the others when it was stock at 600 miles. I need more seat time plain and simple.

4) The launch is 90%+ of a drag race. I had originally planned (assuming 3 runs) to launch off idle (which after studying the race vid tells me is the optimal way to go), 1500rpm brake stall, 2000rpm brake stall. Since I only had one shot I went with 2k and it bit me in the *** by rewarding me with a 1.97 60' (I should've been at 1.85 or better easily) due to a bog. When you bog off the line as any seasoned racer will tell you, your run is toast (especially trap speed on DRs or slicks) yet I still ran 12.19@116.5 (corrected 12.09@117.4). My previous best with just filters was 12.89@111.5.

5) Unless you can raise tq multiplication (change rear gears) in an automatic transmission car, DRs will hurt trap speed.

6) What about Rock's testimony about going against his K3 E55 (and we know what that traps)? As credible and respected as he is, that cannot be ignored. I also posted a vid of a stock C63 v a stock E55 and the C63 clearly lost. How do you think a stock C63 would fare against Rock's K3?


7) I walked hard on a 2700lb cam'd LS1 RX7 (traps 115-116 regularly and if you watch the vid you'll note the rate at which I pull away is not what you'd expect from my track results) after he got the jump.

8) My C63 v a Gallardo and stock C63 are coming by Friday. Vids of my car vs a stock E63 with DRs is coming tomorrow.

9) Have you seen any track/dyno testing by anyone else (Kleeman, Renntech, Brabus, etc.) that's outdone our results in any way? As far as I know we have the quickest/fastest and highest powered C63 in the world after just v1 tuning and filters. We are the only ones actually putting our $ where our mouths are.

10) I've thrown down the gauntlet for a tuner shootout now at MIR whenever and have yet to recieve any semblance of a response.


To this point I'm not sure what else can be done...That being said we're going to keep plugging away and posting our results for everyone to see.


Thanks
Andy

MHP

My apologies, but you too obviously realize how many MB/AMG owners have been as you've stated above. There's no shame in it (being burned), only on those companies that deliver subpar products and services.

blackbenzz

MIR is less than 2 months away. We will get some real heads up data.

By the way, mine is bigger than yours!!!

TMC M5

Wow where have I been for the past two weeks...I never checked this thread because I thought it only pertained to the 63 engine. I just read it start to finish and can't believe I missed all this fun.

Andy:

Sending you a PM...

Tom

MB_Forever

It seems that since Andy's C63 results came in, everyone is now interested in the E/CLS 63 results, which he is currently working on. But until those results are in, we should at least give him the title for best tune results in a C63 so far . He showed and compared his dynos to the other available tuners

Also some compared his runs to Oldgixxer's 11 second run in his stock E63. That run was done in 46 F and -1600 ft DA. Not to mention, Oldgixxer is one heck of a driver: he pulls 1.8 60' times almost 100% of the time. I think Andy's runs should only be compared to stock and modded C63s (preferrably on the same day and same track). So far, he's shown the most gains on the dyno and fastest on the track.

Andy, I think once the E numbers start coming in, more people will open up.

JT55

forgive me for saying this but i know it's on many peoples' minds and i could care less about the flak i'll get...many new members have really run this place into the ground. to the point that it's worse than the m boards anymore. no wonder many respected senior members are starting their own forums. what i really find ironic is the fact that most of these new members are clk bs owners. [/QUOTE]

Seeing that my join date is ab 5 years before yours allow me to Retort. (originally joined in 01 changed name)
You sir to me are part of the "new members" that have run this forum into the ground. Allow me to explain.
When I joined here - I was coming off a E55 and purchased a CLK55 - The way it used to be on this board the mere mention of changing the rims - drew fire and flames from many on this board at the time.
I was the young guy - the guy who was ab to rip car apart and re-do. Which I did. I was at the time the Anti-christ. I abandoned these boards for a few years and started posting again ab the time I got my Black - (SL in between)
Well I couldn't believe how things have changed - it seems everybody has become a Pimp My Rides expert and Speed Racer. Many of you are one step away from NHRA certification (on the highway at least).
The reason is the demographic has changed for the typical MB buyer or at least for certain models. The buyers of these cars have become much younger at least for alot of the 3-5 yr old models. Check this forum most of you ( i said most) are just that. Now instead of buying Mustang GT's and the forgotten Camaro/Firebird - u guys are now buying these cars at about the same price you'd pay for a new Mustang GT. Which has led to an incredible amount of stupidity, dumb posts, drag racing tips, you tube videos and the like. The M3 was the original replacement Guido, sideways hat, yo,yo,yo crowd car and now its the C class and the older E's.
So singling out us BS guys as to the demise of the forum is pretty ridiculous.
We are for the most part def. older, more mature, and have never ever made a post ab "when ur caught in a fire fight on the highway" (personal all time favorite) better educated and yes undoubtedly more affluent.
So to me - its actually u and ur ilk - who's brought the forum to the level of the M boards.
Why don't you start your own forum - I know who can be ur first member - his name is Marty.
And yes Chiro - I used to be a roid head (never had back acne though), have made juvenile posts, have started many arguments (or finished), cheerleaded for Andy and JR. and Tuning Tech and do indeed own a Black Series and been a member since '01.
So why don't you get an "adjustment" before u respond.
Actually -Don't respond at all.
Rule 1. - Everyone knows Chiropracters are a wacky bunch of quacks anyway.
So from now on whenever u post I'll just say refer to rule 1 and that pretty much explains the rest.

ChicagoX

You mean his Powerchip ECU?

You wouldn't be contemplating a little IP theft, would you?

MHP

Have you seen the other thread, we caved into your want for TCU only.

MHP

Thanks Tom, back at ya.

MHP

Excuse me?

LOL, we don't even bother to read powerchips tunes anymore, they are simply archaic. We just wipe them clean.

MHP

Again Mo thanks for your objective input, much appreciated.

chiromikey

jt55,

sorry buddy, i purposely left out your shrinkage side effects hoping you wouldn't be too upset by the post...my bad for still getting you riled.