MHP

Do you mean stock C63? If so the vids are up in the 204 section, and I linked them via this thread. I tried to run a E63 (CAI/cutouts, and made him pull the bottle) but neither of us could get traction--this was about 2 weeks ago. We tried to do some rolls but ended up next to a cop on the highway...
I never had a race setup with a stock CLS63. I'd love to run one if I could though.

Thanks

MHP

Stock C63 and 08 Gallardo vids:

https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w204/262770-mhp-c63-vs-stock-c63-gallardo-vids.html

ChicagoX

My apologies. I was referring to the E63 w/ designo interior.

MHP

I redynoed with the stock ECU/TCU today in order to establish a baseline for tq (we only had hp before) and ended up making 372/373rwhp and tq.

As you can see there are strong gains across the board in both HP and TQ. This was done on the same dyno using 1:1 gearing and SAE correction with smoothing set at 5 to eliminate artificially generated spikes.

v2 track testing coming this Friday with dynos to follow. That being said I'll put v1 up against anyone else's tune any day of the week at the track or on the same dyno.

Thanks
Andy

MHP

We'll be tuning Matt's E63 on Nov 1 during our Columbus dynotuning day.

Fikse

so you'll have a close dyno/race, looks like what everyone else has been getting with the C63....

MHP

Put them on the same dyno/track and it won't be close, at all.

Fikse

heh, ok sure....

MHP

Then why has no one stepped up and accepted our challenge to run at the same track or on the same dyno with like modded vehicles?

Ignorance must be bliss...

Fikse

because they are scared of your dyno that shows similar power and torque as many others tuning the car..... OR maybe there are not that many tuned C63s in your area, or that have the time to waste with you and your almighty talking, you can really type up a storm.... seriously, it's no wonder many people here give you a hard time.....

LZH

FIKSE - perhaps you didn't see these videos

https://mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=262770

Does the MHP tuned C63 walking away from the stock C63 look like BS to you ???

chiromikey

the videos show exactly what any tuned c63 would do to a stock one. other than that, both track and dyno data say the same thing, andy is able to remove detuning from the c63. whether his ecu tuning is any better than the rest has yet to be proven.

Fikse

chiromikey, exactly......

LZH, read my post..... I'm questioning why he thinks that his HP is worth more than another tuner's HP, so much so that he thinks he's going to wipe the competiton away..... like they couldn't possibly compete with him, they are all "ignorant" and running scared...

does his HP make more HP than everyone else's? is it "magic HP" <<< my cousin Vinny? Magic Grits?

anyway, the C63 races seemed exactly like they should be.... the C63 vs the Gallardo was interesting though... the Gallardo's typically trap 118 MPH, and it pulled on the tuned C63....

LZH

That can be said for ANY new tuner, but thanks for pointing out the obvious. But with that being said, it's pretty clear that the tuning is VERY good considering it ALSO held it's own with Rock's highly modified E55. The point is, the tuning works....which is what many doubted and what you seem to be missing.

chiromikey

if you agree that can be said for any tuner, then why so much rhetoric surrounding this one? and if it's obvious, the point seems to have been missed by many surroundind mhp. keep in mind, I never doubted andy being able to remove 63 detuning and haven't missed anything. what the car was able to do against a single "moderately" (not highly) modified e55 is meaningless to those of us who have been around long enough to know gustav.

bottom line, if mhp's work can live up to andy's claims, I would expect to see mid 11's out of his c63 with nothing more than tuning.

MHP

You know this because you've seen other tuners pit their cars against stockers in real life, not just on a dyno sheet? I think not.

You've said it yourself how many times, the real proof is in track results. Put some pressure on the other tuners to get their **** together for MIR so we can finally put this BS to bed. Sounds fair to me?

MHP

More like magic ignorance.
Anyone can do anything they want to a dyno graph, but no one can dispute same day head to head track results. Make sense now?

Reg. the Gallardo, we went from a 20 roll (had we gone from a dig I would've pulled 2 cars instantly) and I pulled one car through 2nd gear, which the Gallardo gained back and added half a car to by 120. When racing at triple digit speeds aerodynamics and gearing play a larger roll than they do at slower rates.
What's your explanation for the repeated door to door 50-130 runs against Rock's stage 3 E55 that traps 121-124?

ChicagoX

That's the one. How did the race go with him?

His car is sharp. Right around 380RWHP on a dynojet, IIRC.

LZH

Becasue he is the first to be able to tune the 7speed TCU, add throttle blipping etc....something I asked AMG to do and they dropped the ball. Have you driven a C63, E63 and Black Series becasue I have and the C63 with the improved software for the TCU makes it much more fun to drive - hence the rhetoric.

So you are calling Rock a liar ?? Nice...

And I'm sure you will at MIR.

MHP

Rock's E55 has CF inlet/filters, 80mm TB, pulley, T-stat, longtube headers, catback. Other than H/C (and let's face it they don't do **** on these cars) what else is there besides a stroker (another useless mod)?

Heading to the track again Friday with real tires and a better idea of how to launch the car. I'll report back as soon as I can, for better or worse

MHP

Interesting you should bring up Matt's car. You do remember when you came to Columbus and tried to tune Joe's car (another E55 we're tuning on 11/1), then Matt leaving after seeing your results? Need I go on? Being that Matt/Joe are good friends of mine, I can have them come on and post the results.

The race vs. Matt's car was spin city as I posted weeks ago. That's the night I decided to swap to MT DRs, which I'll be using from here on out.

Rock

Hey, I'm impartial here. I like Andy and I hope he truly can take the 55/63 to the next level but I get what these guys are saying.

Andy's ET and trap speeds (thus far) are not superior to other stock 63s. You do have to give him credit for the jump he made over his stock configuration. Also, I don't put much trust in dynos but I can understand why these are being compared to other tuners.

As I previously stated, my runs with Andy were short and sweet but I didn't feel quicker than him. Yeah, I trap considerably faster but it was not realized when we ran.

I think we may hook up this Friday at Norwalk Raceway. I'll report the new data as soon as it comes in.

ChicagoX

Hmm. I guess you must not be in the loop, since I have Joe's ECU right now. His car had mechanical problems that needed sorting. (EG no boost)

You must still be aching over that $1000.00 you lost that night. To a stock car.

Anything else you would care to add? Maybe the guy's address who actually does your work in Michigan? I have never disparaged your work in any way - but since it's not your work anyway, it wouldn't matter, right?

I'll be in Columbus soon, if you're looking for another race. Afterwards, I will even tune your car for you.

AMGfan

MHP

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