W211 AMG Discuss the W211 AMG's such as the E55 and the E63

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Old Sep 19, 2008 | 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by sound 8
When you said your supercharger turned off, I would like to know how
you could tell. Obviously you would loose power but are there other signs
it's switched off, it's joined to the crank by a belt, I just can't get my head
around the word " switched off " . Sorry if I sound thick, I would like to know.
What happens is I floor the throttle all the way and I'm barely moving. I had to wait a few minz b4 each run so it would turn back on. I never had it happen to me that bad though. I've gotten maybe 4-5 runs and then i t happen. Last night after my first short run it just turned off.
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Old Sep 19, 2008 | 10:37 AM
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I suggest you get a Johnson CM030 pump, they have them on ebay...or search in the classified section. They may have a few there.

Shame on you guys...you should have called me!!, LOL!!! Good videos though...
Where can I get it installed if purchased? Sorry for all the quesions its just driving me crazy.
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Old Sep 19, 2008 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by tuningtechnician
He had his car at max boost when you started to race and his car is an automatic. His car shifted pretty quickly after the go which shows he was in his power band already. You should have tried a slower roll.

A little tuning to your E55 will make it a much different race!
I just posted other videos up. From a dig I got it. From a 20mph roll I got him too but it looked liked he could have passed me up if we woulda kept going.
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Old Sep 19, 2008 | 10:51 AM
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I'm going to order 1 from Letmotorsports most likely today. Has anyone ever installed one of these pumps on a E55, if so PM and I'll pay for installation.
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Old Sep 19, 2008 | 10:54 AM
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Old Sep 19, 2008 | 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by E55AMGGG04
Oh yes yes... glad you got my run with him on video!

The kid asked me afterwards to go racing with him on the highway... LOL!
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Old Sep 19, 2008 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Oxygen
Oh yes yes... glad you got my run with him on video!

The kid asked me afterwards to go racing with him on the highway... LOL!
Where did you guys run?...Sure wish we would have paired to see which twin tweezy pulls ahead..lol!
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Old Sep 19, 2008 | 11:37 AM
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i simply downshifted to 2nd on the re-run and made a huge difference in result... after the dyno day, i understand y... torque curve maxes at around 5~6k rpm on our cars...

Originally Posted by Thericker
You're not the only forum member here to loose & then re-run a modded 335i, I did vs a J3 tuned 335i, then MJ50 RENN stg 1 lost to the same 335i, though we both got re-matches & (IC pump & IC itself etc..repairs in my case) & both of us beat him.

335i was using race gas when I wasn't, after I used race gas the 335i couldn't touch me, then MJ50 drove a bit better & got better IC (I think, correct if I'm wrong MJ50) MJ50 pulled him by about (2) lengths after that.

I think w/J3 V3 tuning they can run pretty even w/BONE STOCK E55k & perhaps edge them slightly (when you guys heatsoak), lil' phuckers have thrown up 114-116 mph traps in optimal conditions on Dragtimes & bmw forums..
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Originally Posted by sound 8
When you said your supercharger turned off, I would like to know how
you could tell. Obviously you would loose power but are there other signs
it's switched off, it's joined to the crank by a belt, I just can't get my head
around the word " switched off " . Sorry if I sound thick, I would like to know.
the supercharger is controlled by a magnetic plate.. on the front pulley section.

If the plate is engaged at a certain speed or engine load.. the kompressor add power.

if the DME sees the IAT's reach near 200F it will literally disengage the plate and it will let the motor run without the kompressor..

our cars have both a bypass valve and magnetic clutch.. most aftermarket products just have a bypass valve to control when boost is applied or not.

lesson:

if you don't data log your car and dont know if your IAT's are under control....

please!!! dont race!


V3 with race gas is just as good as JB3 with Race gas.. both products are very similar in output.

I still give the Edge to JB3 since I have seen better dyno results.

the white coupe had down pipes, v3, and FMIC.. which is nice combo. Probably just needs the intake and some exhaust mods.

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Old Sep 19, 2008 | 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by V12Godspeed
Where did you guys run?...Sure wish we would have paired to see which twin tweezy pulls ahead..lol!
The run with S600 was in the spot he said to go the first time by the entrance of best buy.
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Old Sep 19, 2008 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by E55AMGGG04
I'm going to order 1 from Letmotorsports most likely today. Has anyone ever installed one of these pumps on a E55, if so PM and I'll pay for installation.
LET might be still digging out after the floods...so make sure they can get it to ya.

I noticed from the vids that sometimes I heard your supercharger whine and sometimes I did not, so I believe it is definitely intermittent at best.

Also, did you manually shift down to the lowest gear before you floored it?

Good luck with the upgrades.
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Old Sep 19, 2008 | 12:10 PM
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Damn, wish I made it out last night... I missed some fun runs. Let's set it up again for next week with the 335i vs a few other misc cars. lol.
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Old Sep 19, 2008 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by NYC E55
Damn, wish I made it out last night... I missed some fun runs. Let's set it up again for next week with the 335i vs a few other misc cars. lol.
Yeah I'm going again next week. I don't have any friends with a faster car then my E55. I'm have my friend's 335i coupe, ST8 jeep, 335xi(jb2,intakes), G37, IS350, RS4, and a type-S come by next week. I'm going to call the guy with the V3 335i also. It should be fun.
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Old Sep 19, 2008 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by NYC E55
Damn, wish I made it out last night... I missed some fun runs. Let's set it up again for next week with the 335i vs a few other misc cars. lol.
I thought you were coming...I was looking for your white E last night...
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Old Sep 19, 2008 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Timeless
LET might be still digging out after the floods...so make sure they can get it to ya.

I noticed from the vids that sometimes I heard your supercharger whine and sometimes I did not, so I believe it is definitely intermittent at best.

Also, did you manually shift down to the lowest gear before you floored it?

Good luck with the upgrades.
When I raced I had it in Sport and shifted manually down to the best gear possible. As for the whine, I couldn't tell myself but the 335i made videos also which I want to see also so I should be abke to hear it better.
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Old Sep 19, 2008 | 12:48 PM
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Old Sep 19, 2008 | 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Jakpro1
Sorry about the loss. Told ya they were no joke.

Bottom line is this bro. The weak link IS and always WILL be heat on our cars. You can literally install a new IC pump every day and you will still have heat problems in your car in stock form. These things are made for bout ONE kick A run, then each run slowly reduces after that.

If you ever want to start modding her, make cooling mods at the top of your list. Not going to GIVE you hp as much as helping the car recover quicker after hard runs.

I don't have the most mods, but I am sure near the top of the list and even with Johnson 90 pump in a separated intercooler circuit with a MASSIVE code 3 heat exchanger.....my car still will act sluggish a bit after 2 or 3 hard runs in a row.

Just the status quo until Benz saves us with TTV8 coming soon.

i agree 100%!
i had the same problem, i was racing and my supercharger had the same shutting off feeling or it was disengaging, felt like a 4 cylinder lol.
anyways this happened after about 4-5 full throttle runs. my tech told me that my IAT were rising and the car has a disengagin point to protect the car.
so i thought maybe my IC pump got old and wasnt doing its job anymore. i went and bought a new IC pump and got it replaced. it felt pretty good after about 5 runs it was holding up, my tech told me my IAT were still rising just as fast aswell besides getting the new IC pump. after a few months i ended up changing it again! with about the same results. same OEM PUMP.

i ended up racing the same car with both new pumps, they didnt help at all for any power or keeping power up!

overall until your car goes into this limp 'TYPE' mode with the sueprcharger disconnecting or disengaging, the power seems to be in the same range maybe with a couple HP lose from the IAT going up the car most likely pulling timing a bit and the car overall getting heatsoaked.


if you think ur gonna get a new IC pump and go and beat the same car, that isnt going to happen, but your SC wont disengage so your gonna get more runs in and your SC wont keep "shutting off"

BTW, OEM is good, but u can get better if you dont care for OEM stuff and if u have warranty.

GL

your probably gonna need a pulley or tune to beat him, maybe even exhaust and intake alone will do it

btw dont forget the 335i gets pretty bad heatsoak from there twin turbos, except there shut off point is much higher, there IAT are also higher then the E55's engine as my tech explained.
that 335i was probably pretty heatsoaked as is.
good chance would be try to get the 335i heatsoaked before running him
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Old Sep 19, 2008 | 02:04 PM
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Thanks topgun32 you explained it well.
Now my problem is with a S600 which is turbo, and I don't seem to get
good throttle response even in sport mode. Unless you really kick it it feels
like the more throttle you give the slower it goes, and then suddenly it will
take of. I.m sure one of you guys has an Idea what it could be.
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Old Sep 19, 2008 | 02:31 PM
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My pump was soo bad i would barely get 1 hard pull before the kompressor shut down, and even when it wasnt shut down it felt sluggish. I ordered the Johnson CM30 from LETMotorsports over a month ago, still on BO im told, so i installed the upgraded bosch unit in the meantime. Car is MUCH MUCH stronger now, and it takes 5-6 hard pulls to shutoff now...
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Old Sep 19, 2008 | 02:38 PM
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My pump was soo bad i would barely get 1 hard pull before the kompressor shut down, and even when it wasnt shut down it felt sluggish. I ordered the Johnson CM30 from LETMotorsports over a month ago, still on BO im told, so i installed the upgraded bosch unit in the meantime. Car is MUCH MUCH stronger now, and it takes 5-6 hard pulls to shutoff now...
I'm not looking for HP with a new pump. I'm hoping that it will help stop my supercharger from turning off every run I have. if i wanted HP I'd get a pulley or ecu tune. My main objective right now is to get the new pump. I think it will help my car. I keep calling Letmotorsports but they don't answer.
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Old Sep 19, 2008 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Timeless
LET might be still digging out after the floods...so make sure they can get it to ya.

I noticed from the vids that sometimes I heard your supercharger whine and sometimes I did not, so I believe it is definitely intermittent at best.

Also, did you manually shift down to the lowest gear before you floored it?

Good luck with the upgrades.
I thought the same thing from the vids. If I were you, here's the solution 1. Get the Johnson Pump 2. Get a CODE III pulley (about $600.) 3. Get a tune (Chicago X or Jerry at LET) for about $499.00 Later, you can get a HE IC for the car (Code III is doing a Spearco unit that we've all been waiting for)

Once that's done, I can't see that 335 pulling on you at all. Don't forget, we're looking at a highly modded 335 against a stock E55. I don't see the comparison. Call us back when you get the pump replaced (this is a very common problem leading to high IATs on the E55 and C32. Most of us have been there , done that. The fix is about 30 minutes.

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Originally Posted by E55AMGGG04
I'm not looking for HP with a new pump. I'm hoping that it will help stop my supercharger from turning off every run I have. if i wanted HP I'd get a pulley or ecu tune. My main objective right now is to get the new pump. I think it will help my car. I keep calling Letmotorsports but they don't answer.
You wouldnt get HP anyways, but the HP u have will be more consistant! Done think LET even has the pumps yet. Mine has been on back order for over a month from them.. Try Ebay
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Originally Posted by obsidian05e55
You wouldnt get HP anyways, but the HP u have will be more consistant! Done think LET even has the pumps yet. Mine has been on back order for over a month from them.. Try Ebay
i agree again here. i was trying to get that across with my experience.

but it seems like the OP's IC pump is at about the same stage my was, about 5-7 full throttle blows and the cars SC disengages.

when u go 1-2 times full throttle 5 second bursts and it shuts down, you IC pump is shot, and your def losing power since the IAT are more then likely staying really high from the get go.


again your IC seems to be what the OEM equipment seems to be putting out, your IC stilll seems very functional.
the ony way you will gain HP is as stated above, if you SC is going out from 1-2 punches of the throttle.

HP you will def gain if your pump still seems mediumly strong. and your can sustain multiple full throttle runs without the SC dis-engaging.

you cant forget as i mentioned as much heatsoak you were building, the 335i was probably buidling just as much if not more since he is on a stock size upgraded intercooler with stock pipping running 15 psi!!! he must have been heat soakes pretty bad aswell.

P.s. for what its worth, the supercharger sounds doesnt just go away, if the SC disengages you can def feel it, and the OP car would have turned into a 4 cylnder. there would be no way he can even accel that hard.
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I've been searching and searching and still 0. I can't find anyone selling this pump.
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Originally Posted by V12Godspeed
I thought you were coming...I was looking for your white E last night...
I ended up getting stuck at work, I'm game for next week. Have your friend with the 996TT come out and I'll have the Z06 and Cobra's out. We can mix it up between some fun car.
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