For you Jaq fans. News XF-R rated at 510hp!!!
01-12-2009, 06:36 AM
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There are a lot of armchair experts in this forum now days - most with no direct experience. If ultimate horsepower isn't your prime game you might find the Jag isn't that bad. Go sit in one.
In fact my SV8 is a fine car - a better package than the E55 (and the C63 I've driven). The interior fit is better than E class MB (forget the C63 - interior plastics are worse than a Camry). Its 2 generations ahead in terms of general design features. In the flesh is a very attractive coupe like design - yes the concept car was more edgy but form gave way to function. And lets not talk about the leaked W212 E class - that's not an attractive front end!
Not as fast as the 55/63s- but what other 4 door sedan besides the E55 has 700Nm of torque (answer is none). Its fast enough(can't believe I said that). Engine is smoother. 6 speed tranny is great - like 7 speed MB. Its road feel and handling are miles better than the E55/63. Ride better than the C63 with similar handling. The one click 'sport' mode changes the suspension, throttle response and shift points instantly - very performance oriented. Yes, Jag should do better gas mileage but you guys are the ones wanting performance at all costs.
The XF-R should be a good car with added squirt.
In the end the demographic for Jag is different. Its not meant to appeal to twenty-somethings. The E55/63 look like every other E class to the untrained eye - something you can't accuse the XF of - as rare as hen teeth at the moment.
So to each there own. We all have different priorities, but at least consider that some other manufacturer may actual make a car worth looking at.
In fact my SV8 is a fine car - a better package than the E55 (and the C63 I've driven). The interior fit is better than E class MB (forget the C63 - interior plastics are worse than a Camry). Its 2 generations ahead in terms of general design features. In the flesh is a very attractive coupe like design - yes the concept car was more edgy but form gave way to function. And lets not talk about the leaked W212 E class - that's not an attractive front end!
Not as fast as the 55/63s- but what other 4 door sedan besides the E55 has 700Nm of torque (answer is none). Its fast enough(can't believe I said that). Engine is smoother. 6 speed tranny is great - like 7 speed MB. Its road feel and handling are miles better than the E55/63. Ride better than the C63 with similar handling. The one click 'sport' mode changes the suspension, throttle response and shift points instantly - very performance oriented. Yes, Jag should do better gas mileage but you guys are the ones wanting performance at all costs.
The XF-R should be a good car with added squirt.
In the end the demographic for Jag is different. Its not meant to appeal to twenty-somethings. The E55/63 look like every other E class to the untrained eye - something you can't accuse the XF of - as rare as hen teeth at the moment.
So to each there own. We all have different priorities, but at least consider that some other manufacturer may actual make a car worth looking at.
01-12-2009, 10:11 AM
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There are a lot of armchair experts in this forum now days - most with no direct experience. If ultimate horsepower isn't your prime game you might find the Jag isn't that bad. Go sit in one.
In fact my SV8 is a fine car - a better package than the E55 (and the C63 I've driven). The interior fit is better than E class MB (forget the C63 - interior plastics are worse than a Camry). Its 2 generations ahead in terms of general design features. In the flesh is a very attractive coupe like design - yes the concept car was more edgy but form gave way to function. And lets not talk about the leaked W212 E class - that's not an attractive front end!
Not as fast as the 55/63s- but what other 4 door sedan besides the E55 has 700Nm of torque (answer is none). Its fast enough(can't believe I said that). Engine is smoother. 6 speed tranny is great - like 7 speed MB. Its road feel and handling are miles better than the E55/63. Ride better than the C63 with similar handling. The one click 'sport' mode changes the suspension, throttle response and shift points instantly - very performance oriented. Yes, Jag should do better gas mileage but you guys are the ones wanting performance at all costs.
The XF-R should be a good car with added squirt.
In the end the demographic for Jag is different. Its not meant to appeal to twenty-somethings. The E55/63 look like every other E class to the untrained eye - something you can't accuse the XF of - as rare as hen teeth at the moment.
So to each there own. We all have different priorities, but at least consider that some other manufacturer may actual make a car worth looking at.
In fact my SV8 is a fine car - a better package than the E55 (and the C63 I've driven). The interior fit is better than E class MB (forget the C63 - interior plastics are worse than a Camry). Its 2 generations ahead in terms of general design features. In the flesh is a very attractive coupe like design - yes the concept car was more edgy but form gave way to function. And lets not talk about the leaked W212 E class - that's not an attractive front end!
Not as fast as the 55/63s- but what other 4 door sedan besides the E55 has 700Nm of torque (answer is none). Its fast enough(can't believe I said that). Engine is smoother. 6 speed tranny is great - like 7 speed MB. Its road feel and handling are miles better than the E55/63. Ride better than the C63 with similar handling. The one click 'sport' mode changes the suspension, throttle response and shift points instantly - very performance oriented. Yes, Jag should do better gas mileage but you guys are the ones wanting performance at all costs.
The XF-R should be a good car with added squirt.
In the end the demographic for Jag is different. Its not meant to appeal to twenty-somethings. The E55/63 look like every other E class to the untrained eye - something you can't accuse the XF of - as rare as hen teeth at the moment.
So to each there own. We all have different priorities, but at least consider that some other manufacturer may actual make a car worth looking at.
Only GIRLS buy cars based on looks......I WANT to like a brand new Jag....but the Cars dont do anything to make me want them.
01-12-2009, 03:09 PM
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that was my point exactly----Ive owned 2 Jags---I love them. But what I find frustrating is that Jaguar never tries to push the envelope in anything. They are content with making a 'middle of the pack' type of car; performance wise. They dont try to be the best handling....or the most fuel efficient...or the most powerful....They're happy with finishing 4th or 5th in every comparison test as long as their cars look good and are low volume. They sell cars based on A)looks--rare low volume b)Interior/comfort c)Great dealership service.
Only GIRLS buy cars based on looks......I WANT to like a brand new Jag....but the Cars dont do anything to make me want them.
Only GIRLS buy cars based on looks......I WANT to like a brand new Jag....but the Cars dont do anything to make me want them.
01-12-2009, 03:14 PM
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What mods? I know stock for stock the new M3 DCT gets smoked by the M5 sedan (courtesy of Gustav's airfield runs) but those do trap 117 so guess that figures.
ricka- how ya doing bud? been working like a portuguese man o war on a site in the big tx, back with the fam before heading back south. love the SL, sahweet.
ricka- how ya doing bud? been working like a portuguese man o war on a site in the big tx, back with the fam before heading back south. love the SL, sahweet.
You & I have to meet up sometime for a few roll-ons w/that 65 of yours
I've tried meeting up w/Nick aka Carl L. but our schd's always seem to clash..
01-12-2009, 03:26 PM
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Interestingly enough, Jaguar took the XFR to 225 mph, with just an ecu tune: http://www.autoblog.com/2009/01/12/f...-hits-225-mph/
Weak? LOL!
Weak? LOL!
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01-12-2009, 04:41 PM
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Interestingly enough, Jaguar took the XFR to 225 mph, with just an ecu tune: http://www.autoblog.com/2009/01/12/d...on-bonneville/
Weak? LOL!
Weak? LOL!
The New XFR was pretty highly modded to make that run, including a HUMONGOUS rear spoiler big enough to serve lunch off the rear...NOT
just an ecu tune
Jaguar has set a new company speed record with a modified XFR, hitting 225.68mph at Bonneville Speed Flats.
The car, driven by speed ace Paul Gentilozzi, had a remapped ECU and supercharger mods, taking power to 600bhp. It was also fitted with a larger rear wing to aid aerodynamics.
The car, driven by speed ace Paul Gentilozzi, had a remapped ECU and supercharger mods, taking power to 600bhp. It was also fitted with a larger rear wing to aid aerodynamics.
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01-12-2009, 05:38 PM
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If you were shooting for over 220 mph in a sedan, you would want a large wing providing downforce, especially when using the stock tires and body panels. Maybe you need to read it again?
The Paul Gentilozzi-driven XFR had been modified with the appropriate safety gear (roll cage, fire suppression system, etc.), along with a sizable low-mounted rear spoiler and a derestricted ECU that allowed the supercharger to yield around 600 horsepower thanks to a bit more boost. So-equipped, the 503-horsepower sedan blew through the double-ton to top out at 225.675 miles-per-hour, solidly troucing the previous Jaguar land speed record of 217.1 mph set by an XJ220 at Nardo back in 1992
Incredibly, the Bonneville run was completed on stock Michelin Pilot Sport 2 tires
Running with minor aerodynamic and safety modifications to meet the requirements for a Bonneville run, the 225mph top speed was achieved with additional horsepower liberated by a remapped ECU, a modified air intake and exhaust system and revised supercharger settings. No internal engine components were changed and the six-speed automatic transmission was standard, including the gear ratios.
Incredibly, the Bonneville run was completed on stock Michelin Pilot Sport 2 tires
Running with minor aerodynamic and safety modifications to meet the requirements for a Bonneville run, the 225mph top speed was achieved with additional horsepower liberated by a remapped ECU, a modified air intake and exhaust system and revised supercharger settings. No internal engine components were changed and the six-speed automatic transmission was standard, including the gear ratios.
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01-12-2009, 06:45 PM
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It wasn't highly modded, the run was made on the stock PS2's on the stock engine internals with an ECU tune only. How is that highly modded?
If you were shooting for over 220 mph in a sedan, you would want a large wing providing downforce, especially when using the stock tires and body panels. Maybe you need to read it again?
That is incredible.
If you were shooting for over 220 mph in a sedan, you would want a large wing providing downforce, especially when using the stock tires and body panels. Maybe you need to read it again?
That is incredible.
I brought up the wing because of your UNINFORMED STATEMENT
with an ECU tune only
Stewped
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...uar-XF/236892/600bhp w/modded Supercharger meaning ECU & Pulley etc...You read ONLY 1 link & made an ASSumption, NO way in hell is that heavy Jag hitting 225mph w/ECU only
Even your own quote
around 600 horsepower thanks to a bit more boost.
a modified air intake and exhaust system and revised supercharger settings
you claimed the new Jag ran this incredible 225mph w/ECU tune only LOL...Please stop making posts, w/out doing some more research + read your OWN QUOTES the Jag is/was HIGHLY MODDED...Sportboy
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01-12-2009, 07:13 PM
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08 S65, 06 M3 CS(stick), 02 BMW X5 4.6iS, 07 R1 Raven, 08 F-450 4x4, 08 CooperS JCW
I'm with ya on a that shaguar hittng 225 w/just ecu
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Damn 65 never runs for more than a thou or so miles without issues. Bought it from a (much richer) good buddy of mine for a great price who had it modded. I'm trying to get it back to stock brother when i hear it's real reliable. haven't spoke to lasiter in too long. he only got his M after i beat his s4 with my e46
I'm with ya on a that shaguar hittng 225 w/just ecu
I'm with ya on a that shaguar hittng 225 w/just ecu
post up some pix of that bad boy.. Yeah Lassiter is kool, just hard to get are schd's linked up...LOL...Now I know why he got the M5...
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ECU, Pulley, those are simple and not too much $$. Sure its making 100 hp more than stock, I guess in that way it's highly modded. Plus that wing must've caused some drag, must be a very aerodynamic car to even get to that speed period. That's as fast as an LP640 roughly.
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ECU, Pulley, those are simple and not too much $$. Sure its making 100 hp more than stock, I guess in that way it's highly modded. Plus that wing must've caused some drag, must be a very aerodynamic car to even get to that speed period. That's as fast as an LP640 roughly.
Since when is a chip and pulley highly modded? Stock tires, stock supercharger, stock transmission gearing, stock everything. Thericker just doesn't get it, if it was a Benz doing it he would be drooling all over it.
01-12-2009, 07:40 PM
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ECU, Pulley, those are simple and not too much $$. Sure its making 100 hp more than stock, I guess in that way it's highly modded. Plus that wing must've caused some drag, must be a very aerodynamic car to even get to that speed period. That's as fast as an LP640 roughly.
Go look at my post above addressed to Sticky2...
01-12-2009, 07:47 PM
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Exactly, glad to see someone gets it. Incredibly designed body to be able to hit that speed.
Since when is a chip and pulley highly modded? Stock tires, stock supercharger, stock transmission gearing, stock everything. Thericker just doesn't get it, if it was a Benz doing it he would be drooling all over it.
Since when is a chip and pulley highly modded? Stock tires, stock supercharger, stock transmission gearing, stock everything. Thericker just doesn't get it, if it was a Benz doing it he would be drooling all over it.
The wheels don't even look stock? the only thing they don't concede to MODDING is the engine internals ie cams or trans, in my book that is a highly modded Jag.
Do you want to school me on the Pulley part you earlier denied
You said it didn't have a pulley & increased boost thru the ECU LOL...
01-12-2009, 07:54 PM
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Are these mods actually done by Jaguar or a third party tuning company? If it's by Jaguar themselves and they offer to sell some of these upgrades while keeping car under warranty, they may be able to increase sales quite a bit 
It'd be almost like AMG offering a Stage 2 or 3 E55/E63 for us
It'd be almost like AMG offering a Stage 2 or 3 E55/E63 for us
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Are these mods actually done by Jaguar or a third party tuning company? If it's by Jaguar themselves and they offer to sell some of these upgrades while keeping car under warranty, they may be able to increase sales quite a bit It'd be almost like AMG offering a Stage 2 or 3 E55/E63 for us
It'd be almost like AMG offering a Stage 2 or 3 E55/E63 for us 
That Jags bone stock What are you talkin bout Mo
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Exactly, glad to see someone gets it. Incredibly designed body to be able to hit that speed.
Since when is a chip and pulley highly modded? Stock tires, stock supercharger, stock transmission gearing, stock everything. Thericker just doesn't get it, if it was a Benz doing it he would be drooling all over it.
Since when is a chip and pulley highly modded? Stock tires, stock supercharger, stock transmission gearing, stock everything. Thericker just doesn't get it, if it was a Benz doing it he would be drooling all over it.
Not the front SPOILER/bumper or rear Spoiler How bout those hood pins? are they stock helping the
Incredibly designed body to be able to hit that speed.
Suspension looks a tad low for STOCK too wouldn't ya say there brainiac
still think that's STOCK
How bout this part (My favorite BTW which you conveniently edited from your quotes above)
With modifications that the company describes as minimal (which actually included a fully stripped out interior, the addition of a roll cage, a front splitter and a massive rear spoiler) the XFR hit an astonishing top speed of 225.675 mp
I can just imagine you talking to your little M3 buddies
"Dude! the new Jag is SICK!! w/just a simple little ECU mod they ran it @ Bonneville & hit 225mph!" your friends "Gosh!! really?? That things faster than that Ferrari on Magnum PI
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So just cuz a car is capable of 225mph you would WANT it??? Thats some dumb azz sheeit man. First off there is no way you are going to verify for yourself once you buy it that it goes that fast, and if you try please do it by your damn self. Forget doing some educated research and listening to people who have been into cars for decades...if a mag or article says it goes that fast...I WANT IT, its the best. hahahaha...rooks.
P.S. According to car and driver a BMW is the only car I should ever own....hahahaha
P.S. According to car and driver a BMW is the only car I should ever own....hahahaha
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