10 Second CL65 DYNO: 692RWHP and 912TQ
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Does your kit include the coolant lines to bypass the stock metal pipes that run on top of the valve covers?
Also, does this kit include an upgraded IC pump?
Thanks and looking forward to this...
Does your kit include the coolant lines to bypass the stock metal pipes that run on top of the valve covers?
Also, does this kit include an upgraded IC pump?
Thanks and looking forward to this...
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will this kit produce the same power on the 600 as the 65's? I would think not, if it does the 600 would be the better buy right?
Also is the transmissions in the E55 the same as the 600 and 65s? If so how is it that the 65s can hold Marko's level of power when the 55 can't hold my power of roughly 300 less wtq? I don't get it.
Also is the transmissions in the E55 the same as the 600 and 65s? If so how is it that the 65s can hold Marko's level of power when the 55 can't hold my power of roughly 300 less wtq? I don't get it.
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will this kit produce the same power on the 600 as the 65's? I would think not, if it does the 600 would be the better buy right?
Also is the transmissions in the E55 the same as the 600 and 65s? If so how is it that the 65s can hold Marko's level of power when the 55 can't hold my power of roughly 300 less wtq? I don't get it.
Also is the transmissions in the E55 the same as the 600 and 65s? If so how is it that the 65s can hold Marko's level of power when the 55 can't hold my power of roughly 300 less wtq? I don't get it.
The transmission from a E55 is different than the V12tt's
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will this kit produce the same power on the 600 as the 65's? I would think not, if it does the 600 would be the better buy right?
Also is the transmissions in the E55 the same as the 600 and 65s? If so how is it that the 65s can hold Marko's level of power when the 55 can't hold my power of roughly 300 less wtq? I don't get it.
Also is the transmissions in the E55 the same as the 600 and 65s? If so how is it that the 65s can hold Marko's level of power when the 55 can't hold my power of roughly 300 less wtq? I don't get it.
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But I'd still love to hear from Vrus/Vadim a solid guestimate on where we 600's will land after these identical mods
Up until Marko's/VRP creation, the highest rwto I've seen on a SL600 V12TT application was RENNtech ECU/TCU they squeezed 716 RWTO outt've that 5.5 liter
Kleemann is not far behind w/700 RWTO also the highest 65 AMG app w/RENNtech ECU/TCU was in @ about 754 RWTO...SL600..
SL65..
I'm going out on a limb & start guesstimating
w/EXACT SAME MODS that Marko has a 600 app will be @ 850 'ish RWTO fingers crossed that is
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Well, the response has been tremendous so please bare with me while I gather up the information and reply to everyone. By the looks of it, there will be alot of 10sec 65s roaming around the USA this spring.. lol.. 
To answer some questions:
1) The coolant lines that were currently attached that ran up to the intercoolers are still retained, they are just off to the side now. Those lines are what connect up to the front H/E.
2) There will be an upgraded pump included in the kit. Those of you that want the rear mounted reservoir will either get 2 smaller pumps (CM30) or 1 larger one (CM90 or EWP80) to replace the one in the front. Those that do without the rear reservoir will get 1 smaller CM30 to replace the stock Bosch pump.
3) We havent tested this on a 600 as you all know. I dont think the displacement will play a huge role in determining power output here. The issue is whether the 600 turbos are identical to the 65s. If they aren't, then the issue is what does their efficiency map look like at 23psi. If the turbos have a smiliar efficiency map to the 65s and can handle the 23psi of boost then the power output should be very close or the same (that's my opinion anyways).
In order to know for sure we will need to put it on a 600. We will probably install this on Vadim's S600 to confirm power delivery and output and then post up the results.
To answer some questions:
1) The coolant lines that were currently attached that ran up to the intercoolers are still retained, they are just off to the side now. Those lines are what connect up to the front H/E.
2) There will be an upgraded pump included in the kit. Those of you that want the rear mounted reservoir will either get 2 smaller pumps (CM30) or 1 larger one (CM90 or EWP80) to replace the one in the front. Those that do without the rear reservoir will get 1 smaller CM30 to replace the stock Bosch pump.
3) We havent tested this on a 600 as you all know. I dont think the displacement will play a huge role in determining power output here. The issue is whether the 600 turbos are identical to the 65s. If they aren't, then the issue is what does their efficiency map look like at 23psi. If the turbos have a smiliar efficiency map to the 65s and can handle the 23psi of boost then the power output should be very close or the same (that's my opinion anyways).
In order to know for sure we will need to put it on a 600. We will probably install this on Vadim's S600 to confirm power delivery and output and then post up the results.
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What size lines do you use for the ice reservoir? Do you sell them seperately? I am looking into maybe mounting a under hood reservoir instead. Nice work withj this setup, very fast and good numbers
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3/4" lines front to back tucked into the cavity under the plastic shielding on the passenger side of the vehicle. We use the 4gallon capacity tank but some people might not want to give up that much room in the trunk. On the 55 and 65 we put them in the spare tire well area.. The tank is 12" W x 12" L x 8" H. This is the setup I run on my 55 as well. It provides enough capacity that you can put a decent amount of ice in the reservoir.
Also, once we get the "super chiller" (AC condensor setup) done, having the 4gallon capacity is essential if you want to make sure the water stays at the cooled down temperature otherwise it will heat back up before you can even finish the 1/4mile. Our cars run the AC all the time except for WOT. As soon as you go WOT the computer cuts the AC which means the chilling effect stops. You need to make sure you have enough capacity to hold you for a good run.
Also, once we get the "super chiller" (AC condensor setup) done, having the 4gallon capacity is essential if you want to make sure the water stays at the cooled down temperature otherwise it will heat back up before you can even finish the 1/4mile. Our cars run the AC all the time except for WOT. As soon as you go WOT the computer cuts the AC which means the chilling effect stops. You need to make sure you have enough capacity to hold you for a good run.
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3/4" lines front to back tucked into the cavity under the plastic shielding on the passenger side of the vehicle. We use the 4gallon capacity tank but some people might not want to give up that much room in the trunk. On the 55 and 65 we put them in the spare tire well area.. The tank is 12" W x 12" L x 8" H. This is the setup I run on my 55 as well. It provides enough capacity that you can put a decent amount of ice in the reservoir.
Also, once we get the "super chiller" (AC condensor setup) done, having the 4gallon capacity is essential if you want to make sure the water stays at the cooled down temperature otherwise it will heat back up before you can even finish the 1/4mile. Our cars run the AC all the time except for WOT. As soon as you go WOT the computer cuts the AC which means the chilling effect stops. You need to make sure you have enough capacity to hold you for a good run.
Also, once we get the "super chiller" (AC condensor setup) done, having the 4gallon capacity is essential if you want to make sure the water stays at the cooled down temperature otherwise it will heat back up before you can even finish the 1/4mile. Our cars run the AC all the time except for WOT. As soon as you go WOT the computer cuts the AC which means the chilling effect stops. You need to make sure you have enough capacity to hold you for a good run.
. Do you sell the lines seperately?
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Marko, I just told Saad what you dynoed and he is sending me his car to do intercoolers and exhaust like I did on your car!! He also wants larger turbos too!! The car should be here in February. I cannot wait to do more of those intercoolers as I had so much fun building yours!!
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Marko, I just told Saad what you dynoed and he is sending me his car to do intercoolers and exhaust like I did on your car!! He also wants larger turbos too!! The car should be here in February. I cannot wait to do more of those intercoolers as I had so much fun building yours!!
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Yes, I've known about Marko's car since Larry started working on it months ago. Its good to hear that it has done so well, I know the guys at Sound Performance, and they do some great work. I'll be sending my SL65 over to them to do the same exhaust and intercooler work that they did on Marko's car. We will also be upgrading the turbos, I'm looking at making at least 1000rwhp. I'll try and keep everyone updated on the progress once we get started.
Marko, I just told Saad what you dynoed and he is sending me his car to do intercoolers and exhaust like I did on your car!! He also wants larger turbos too!! The car should be here in February. I cannot wait to do more of those intercoolers as I had so much fun building yours!!
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The issue is whether the 600 turbos are identical to the 65s. If they aren't, then the issue is what does their efficiency map look like at 23psi. If the turbos have a smiliar efficiency map to the 65s and can handle the 23psi of boost then the power output should be very close or the same (that's my opinion anyways).
In order to know for sure we will need to put it on a 600. We will probably install this on Vadim's S600 to confirm power delivery and output and then post up the results.
In order to know for sure we will need to put it on a 600. We will probably install this on Vadim's S600 to confirm power delivery and output and then post up the results.
From what I see, the turbos for the 65 are listed like so:
LT: A275-090-2180 - $3,790.00
RT: A275-090-2580 - $3,790.00
For the 600 they are listed as so:
LT: A275-090-12-80 - $3,050.00
RT: A275-090-24-80 - $3,050.00
For the new SL65 AMG Black Series which boasts "30% Larger Turbos" as per their add, these are the parts:
LT: A158-090-03-80
RT: A158-090-04-80
I called the dealership for pricing on the Black Series turbos, he says the part numbers are not in their computer...
I can't find a way to get specifications for the actual turbos and what the differences are. For all I know the only difference between the AMG and non-AMG ones might be an AMG logo stamped on there.
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Looks like a bigger hot side on the Brabus. Who makes the turbos for MB? You can probably get a different wheel and hotside from the people that make the turbos and save yourself a bajillion dollars.
Edit: Never mind, from what I remember the turbo is integrated into the exhaust manifold (one piece)... ghey
Edit: Never mind, from what I remember the turbo is integrated into the exhaust manifold (one piece)... ghey
