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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 07:47 PM
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CLS63 and CLK63 AMG Top 10 Most Ticketed

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List: Cars Most Likely to be Ticketed

January 20, 2009

If you like getting tickets, consider a Hummer SUV or Scion tC coupe when making your next vehicle purchase.

Quality Planning, a San Francisco company that validates policyholder information for auto insurers, studied moving violations given to drivers of various vehicle models in the United States between August 2007 and September 2008.

According to the study, drivers of the Hummer H2 and H3, with 1.07 tickets per 100,000 miles, were 4.63 times more likely to get a ticket than the average driver.

The sporty tC came in a close second at 4.60 times the average.

Based on the study, "ticketability" appears to be related mainly to one or more of these factors: size, speed and driver age.

Also making the top 10 were two of the more powerful production cars on the road: the Mercedes-Benz CLK63 AMG and CLS63 AMG, both of which produce in the neighborhood of 500 horsepower.

Four youth-oriented cars from Toyota -- the aforementioned Scion tC, the Scion xA and xB and the Matrix, were all in the top of the rankings.

Less obviously, the Audi A4, a sleek but hardly super-powered upscale sedan, and the Subaru Outback station wagon also made the top 10.

What to drive if you're down to the last couple of points on your license? If you can afford one, the Jaguar XJ topped Quality Planning's list of the "best-behaved" vehicles.

Drivers of the upscale British sedan were only one-tenth as likely to get a ticket as the average driver.

Vehicles that appeal to older drivers, such as the Buick Park Avenue, also were among the least-ticketed vehicles, as were family-oriented rides such as the Oldsmobile Silhouette minivan and the Chevy Suburban and Tahoe SUVs.

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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 09:03 PM
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CLK 63 CABRIO ??? I find this hard to believe with all the P-cars running around these days. Especially considering the low prod numbers on the CLK63 cab...
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 09:09 PM
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I don't buy that survey one bit...might even have to raise the BS flag on it.There might be,what a grand total of 2,000 of these cars driving the highways and they were in the top 10 ticketed?These cars gathered more tickets than Mustangs,Corvettes,Monte Carlo's,supered-up honda civics,Chrysler STR'S....nope, don't buy it...............
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 09:12 PM
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Corvette has to be #1 with a million of them on the road.
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 09:16 PM
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a tahoe to get the least tickets? thats freakin BS! here in so cal, its normal to see these things flyin down the road 90mph in the fast lane. SUVs should be limited to not drive in the fast lane, middle and slow lane is okay. I have seen a wreak on the freeway where this full sized suv struck the side passenger door of this honda prelude and crushed this young girl. =(

oh ya, I also hate this new thing I saw on tv, "accident forgiveness" They should give drivers who don't get in accidents lower rates! and charge people who do.. higher!

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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 09:31 PM
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Why would they BS

The actuarial sciences reveal interesting facts, And these happen to help set insurance rates for all cars. C43AMG, it has nothing with the number of cars and it is not a survey, it works the other way around they look at all the violations not all the cars.

Same thing as the most stolen car, Honda Civic, truck F150 they pay more for insurance because of the loss ratio.

An AMG speeding? NO WAY,

BTW red cars get more tickets too.
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 09:31 PM
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I may be misinterpreting things here, but the fact that they used tickets per 100,000 miles, suggests that they are not basing the survey solely on number of tickets issued. I'm assuming that they adjusted somehow for number of cars on the road and that is why they used tickets/100k miles instead of just saying "This car got x # of tickets".

In fact it makes sense that those 2 cars might be in the top 10 considering the propensity of their owners to enjoy driving fast (why else would you buy one?).

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I don't buy that survey one bit...might even have to raise the BS flag on it.There might be,what a grand total of 2,000 of these cars driving the highways and they were in the top 10 ticketed?These cars gathered more tickets than Mustangs,Corvettes,Monte Carlo's,supered-up honda civics,Chrysler STR'S....nope, don't buy it...............
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 09:36 PM
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I'm actually just finishing up a 4 day course on auto crime at my job and you're spot on with this.

Last year the most stolen car in NYC was a 1995 Honda Civic, followed closely by the 1994 Honda Civic, 1993 Honda Accord etc. You needed to get to, I believe, the 7th or 8th slot before you came across anything other than a Civic or an Accord, and then it was a 1994 Dodge Caravan.

In some ways if you think about it, it doesn't make a lot of sense that the most stolen car would be an entry level sedan over 10 years old, but now auto theft is done almost entirely by professionals, and they can make 2-3x the book value on one of these cars by chopping them.

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The actuarial sciences reveal interesting facts, And these happen to help set insurance rates for all cars. C43AMG, it has nothing with the number of cars and it is not a survey, it works the other way around they look at all the violations not all the cars.

Same thing as the most stolen car, Honda Civic, truck F150 they pay more for insurance because of the loss ratio.

An AMG speeding? NO WAY,

BTW red cars get more tickets too.
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by willc55
I'm actually just finishing up a 4 day course on auto crime at my job and you're spot on with this.

Last year the most stolen car in NYC was a 1995 Honda Civic, followed closely by the 1994 Honda Civic, 1993 Honda Accord etc. You needed to get to, I believe, the 7th or 8th slot before you came across anything other than a Civic or an Accord, and then it was a 1994 Dodge Caravan.

In some ways if you think about it, it doesn't make a lot of sense that the most stolen car would be an entry level sedan over 10 years old, but now auto theft is done almost entirely by professionals, and they can make 2-3x the book value on one of these cars by chopping them.
Yeah, it's all about the used parts business...they steal them because there are so many of them on the road, there's a big business for used parts, especially as cars age and things break.
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 09:46 PM
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This makes perfect sense, they are looking at a ratio of tickets to # of miles driven, so a rare care (CLK63) that is driven by people who like to go fast is going to get to the top spot because there are few of them on the road and most of them are speeding. With a million honda accords on the road you would need a lot of tickets to get the ratio up.

Now it really seems silly to look at what cars get ticketed the most because this is assuming the the car is a primary factor and not the person driving it.
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by willc55
I may be misinterpreting things here, but the fact that they used tickets per 100,000 miles, suggests that they are not basing the survey solely on number of tickets issued. I'm assuming that they adjusted somehow for number of cars on the road and that is why they used tickets/100k miles instead of just saying "This car got x # of tickets".

In fact it makes sense that those 2 cars might be in the top 10 considering the propensity of their owners to enjoy driving fast (why else would you buy one?).
So you're saying that this survey states that like...I don't know...better than 30% of the time these 2 vehicles leave the driveway they get a ticket?The data seems flawed or I am interpreting it wrong.
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 10:32 PM
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So you're saying that this survey states that like...I don't know...better than 30% of the time these 2 vehicles leave the driveway they get a ticket?The data seems flawed or I am interpreting it wrong.
The way I see it is, An average driver gets 1 ticket every 400,000 miles, the cars in the top 10 get a ticket aprox every 100,000 miles. For me it is easy to beleive an AMG 63 is four times more likley to get a ticket than an average car/driver.
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Yacht Master
The way I see it is, An average driver gets 1 ticket every 400,000 miles, the cars in the top 10 get a ticket aprox every 100,000 miles. ....
Yikes!
I get a ticket every 3 years! Thankfully it's always for something minor like 12 or 13 over.
I only drive 13k miles per year. Someone has to bring down the average.
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Yacht Master
The way I see it is, An average driver gets 1 ticket every 400,000 miles, the cars in the top 10 get a ticket aprox every 100,000 miles. For me it is easy to beleive an AMG 63 is four times more likley to get a ticket than an average car/driver.
I must be tired or something.I would think the greater number (quantity) of a certain model car would put it closer to the top than other cars.For example,if there were X amount of Mustangs or Honda Accords they would be closer to the top because there are more of those on the road which would offer a greater chance for a ticket.I guess I am tired...time for some sleep,thanx Yacht Master for trying to explain.
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Interesting study..... however, I don't think it's a good indication of which cars will get ticketed more since so many factors are involved including the area where these cars are driven.
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 11:55 PM
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Totally bogus stats! BMW's with the age and rage lead the pack hands down. This is another insurance vendor selling their stats to any insurance company that bites to justify raising your rates. Not many 20 year olds driving CLK 63 or CLS's!

Wonder why Kali..for.n. ya is so F up. Idiots in the non car city of FRISCO where this manafesto was written, who are nothing but Peta green tree huggers who believe the performace car is the devil write this drivel. BTY, citizens of the Bay area hate it when you call it FRISCO!
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Old Jan 22, 2009 | 01:05 AM
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I guess stats are just misleading. Other sites use NICB data as showed below.

State Farm has the compiled list by states too:
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Yikes!
I get a ticket every 3 years! Thankfully it's always for something minor like 12 or 13 over.
I only drive 13k miles per year. Someone has to bring down the average.
I guess I'm not as lucky as you are. My average is 18 month. Perfect for traffic school though.What kills me is the most recent one I got in my X5
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CLK 63 CABRIO ??? I find this hard to believe with all the P-cars running around these days. Especially considering the low prod numbers on the CLK63 cab...
"Tickets per 100k miles on the road." Nothing to do with production numbers, a sports car model with only a few hundred produced could hold the top place EASIER than just about any other vehicle. The extremely lower number of produced vehicles means each ticket in one of them is an extremely high (relative) percentage of the total population of cars, thus driving up this tickets per 100k miles.

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Corvette has to be #1 with a million of them on the road.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Doesn't understand what XX tickets per 100k miles means.

What would be the point of a study that used total number of tickets?? What if anything would that prove about the likelihood of getting a ticket in that car?? You need to keep it relative, which doing it either 1) xx tickets per car on road or 2) xx tickets per miles on the road, achieves.


Originally Posted by Yacht Master
The way I see it is, An average driver gets 1 ticket every 400,000 miles, the cars in the top 10 get a ticket aprox every 100,000 miles. For me it is easy to beleive an AMG 63 is four times more likley to get a ticket than an average car/driver.
Average driver gets 1 ticket every 400,000 miles?!?! Really?? If we use 12-15k miles a year thats one ticket every roughly 27-33 years. That seems ridiculously low but I see how you arrived at that given the info.



Originally Posted by DFW01E55
Yikes!
I get a ticket every 3 years! Thankfully it's always for something minor like 12 or 13 over.
I only drive 13k miles per year. Someone has to bring down the average.
1 ticket ever 3 years (or 40k miles) seems reasonable to me, are we really "bringing down" the average that much? According to the numbers, on average, we should get 1 ticket every 30 years or so! I really have a tough time believing we are the severe outliers w/ our modest 1 ticket ever 3-5 yrs.
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I know that I'm not the norm, but I average at least 1 ticketed infraction every 20,000. I keep trying to find an insurance company that gives me credit for not having any at-fault accidents in over 500,000 miles, but they don't seem to want to hear that part.
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Originally Posted by Yacht Master
The actuarial sciences reveal interesting facts, And these happen to help set insurance rates for all cars. C43AMG, it has nothing with the number of cars and it is not a survey, it works the other way around they look at all the violations not all the cars.

Same thing as the most stolen car, Honda Civic, truck F150 they pay more for insurance because of the loss ratio.

An AMG speeding? NO WAY,

BTW red cars get more tickets too.
just curious if you are an actuary ? i am and we could care less about the info above. those things are put out by marketing companies to sell to insurance companies. when pricing an insurnace policy the DRIVER is the biggest deciding factor and not the car. car matters when it comes to -
- safety feature (active and passive)
- type (convertible, sedan etc)
- power
- actuarial present value in the event of a typical or total loss
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BMW wasn't on the list?? That's surprising
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