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Old 01-22-2009, 10:08 PM
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my friend saw this being sold at the local audi dealership and brought it to my attention.

im just wondering if anyone has tried this product.
is it safe to use?

does our radiator share the same fluid tank as our heat exchanger?

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Is it something similar as water wetter
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Is like water wetter as the above person mentioned. I don't think it will really help our cars out much.
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Is like water wetter as the above person mentioned. I don't think it will really help our cars out much.
Why do you think that?

and for the record it does help
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Water wetter will not lower our IAT's enough to be of any use at all. It's more used as a lubricant (I have used it in older DSM's and Supras w/very minimal temperature differences). Also if you run a 50/50 coolant mix it is usually not needed or recommended. Since you've gone on the record- why and how will it help? ahh n/m that was someone else..

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I'm using Redline water wetter now, But I've used Motul fluids before and they are top notch. there diff. fluid is real good much better over stock. Anything Motul gets a
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? no offense but that doesn't add any facts or comparisons to this subject. Water wetter is usually run in applications where the users want to run straight water but need the lubricating properties. 50/50 or even 70/30 mix is more effective.
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I was running straight water (little bit of coolant was left over but all I added was water) and Redline water wetter in my supercharger "coolant" circuit during the summer
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Water wetter will not lower our IAT's enough to be of any use at all. It's more used as a lubricant (I have used it in older DSM's and Supras w/very minimal temperature differences). Also if you run a 50/50 coolant mix it is usually not needed or recommended. Since you've gone on the record- why and how will it help?
Water wetter works by reducing the surface tension of water allowing it to make better contact with the radaiator core and more importantly the engines internal water passages.

It helps in cooling by reducing hot spots and that's how you can run just a little more timing and have a small reduction in water temps.

Being that it reduces surface tension it has lubricating properties

Every little bit adds up in the end
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It lubricates the water...it will NOT help our cars since we run a normal coolant mix. We also use an atypical type of coolant fluid and water wetter MAY hurt our cars more then help them. That part i'm NOT sure of.
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It lubricates the water...it will NOT help our cars since we run a normal coolant mix. We also use an atypical type of coolant fluid and water wetter MAY hurt our cars more then help them. That part i'm NOT sure of.
Water wetter will help any car, even those with a water/coolant mix. The coolant we use is the same coolant that BMW/Audi and VW uses. It will not hurt them.

Bottom line it doesn't work for you and do what you want, doesn't mean that the fact for everyone else
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I suppose I can agree with you to a point. But as far as it doing anything for us that would show any type of hp/tq or numbers benefit- i just don't see the point. It may lower temps by 4-5 degrees (what i've seen in other applications).
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I suppose I can agree with you to a point. But as far as it doing anything for us that would show any type of hp/tq or numbers benefit- i just don't see the point. It may lower temps by 4-5 degrees
OK....
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Running water wetter in my separated I/C circuit for years now. Not a single problem.

Honestly though, have no proof that it is working. Just kinda going on faith that it has worked for others. Scared the S out of me though. We had a sudden Canadian blast come in and bring temps down to nero zero outside. By the time I remembered the wetter was in the system, the reservoir was already slushy.

I had the car covered with blankets and heaters around it. All I could think about was splitting that intercooler....YIKES!!

Wife got extremely jealous when I wanted to put a sleeping blanket in the garage and sleep next to my sick child through the night.
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I have never used the Motul product mentioned above, however I have lots of experience with Redline Water Wetter. Back in my superbike racing days anti-freeze coolant was not allowed to be run in the bikes radiator, we would run straight distilled water and Water Wetter. There were a few occasions that I did not have Water Wetter and ran straight water, the straight water always ran 10-20 degrees hotter than the water/water wetter combo.

I was told by several people but don't have any personal experience that Water Wetter used in anti-freeze offers no additional cooling than straight antifreeze, that anti-freeze already has a Water Wetter type ingrediant in it.

just my $.02
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The water wetter ran cooler because it offered additional lubrication and thus not only moved faster but was able to displace heat better. And yes- the situation you ran it in is usually where I have seen water wetter used. On race applications where coolant is not allowed since it's a ***** to clean up and slippery as hell.

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Originally Posted by itsmeek
The water wetter ran cooler because it offered additional lubrication and thus not only moved faster but was able to displace heat better. And yes- the situation you ran it in is usually where I have seen water wetter used. On race applications where coolant is not allowed since it's a ***** to clean up and slippery as hell.
I was told that what Water Wetter does is on a molecular level and it's not really a lubricant, If I recall correctly it slows down the molecules which result in cooler ater temp...then again maybe they said it speeds them up, it was like 12 years ago when I heard it, either way I'm pretty sure it has something to do with the way the molecules move around. I'm sure we have a scientist or two on the board that can help out on this subject.
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Water wetter will help any car, even those with a water/coolant mix. The coolant we use is the same coolant that BMW/Audi and VW uses. It will not hurt them.

Bottom line it doesn't work for you and do what you want, doesn't mean that the fact for everyone else
Audi/VW uses G12 coolant and its pink. Is it just coloring?
Originally Posted by jrcart
I was told that what Water Wetter does is on a molecular level and it's not really a lubricant, If I recall correctly it slows down the molecules which result in cooler ater temp...then again maybe they said it speeds them up, it was like 12 years ago when I heard it, either way I'm pretty sure it has something to do with the way the molecules move around. I'm sure we have a scientist or two on the board that can help out on this subject.
When molecules move faster they are hotter, slower is colder.
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Audi/VW uses G12 coolant and its pink. Is it just coloring?
There are three types of G12 and they are identified by their dye color
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so i guess this stuff should help a little bit?

so can anyone tell me if the rad fluid tank is shared with the factory heat exchanger (intercooler)? i was wondering if it could help cool that down so that our s/c runs better.
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so i guess this stuff should help a little bit?

so can anyone tell me if the rad fluid tank is shared with the factory heat exchanger (intercooler)? i was wondering if it could help cool that down so that our s/c runs better.
If you havent seperated the systems then yes the fluid is shared

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