No F or L cars for you? A nice little Gallardo Superleggera or F430 Scuderia? Then again, it's a whole other price range....

 

What were your impressions of the ZR-1 while you had it? Driving wise of course..

 

I'm guessing the ZR1 is just incredible in every way. With that much HP, huge carbon brakes and big ash tires it's gotta be incredible. The only problem I have with it is that it's ugly. Hate the cheap looking body moldings, hate the rims and hate that stupid plastic thing on the hood. The Z06 styling should have been the ZR1. They got the looks of that thing right.

 

I did not do alot of mods actually, just the basic ECU, mid pipes and exhaust. I never even launched my car once in the 10 months I had the car but still I got a transmission problem because I didn't watch my transmission oil temperature on the circuit. I was watching my engine oil and water temperatures but forgot to watch the transmission temps, and by the time the warning came up, it was too late - I blew a clutch sensor. If that's not enough, Nissan go not sell the sensor and I had to order in a WHOLE new gearbox! Fortunately I am going to claim this under warranty.

Alot of my friends also experienced all sorts of warning lights and other problems. Some could not even start their car for no reason and had to replace some sort of control unit. The car is way too sensitive IMO ... For example if you don't change your oil often enough, if you don't use the right oil, if you don't follow the right procedure while changing the transmission oil on the hoist, if you don't re-align the clutch packs after every 5000kms ... etc, etc ...

Even Porsche owners are complaining that the maintenence is ridiculous!

I'm not trying to slag the car, but just to give you an insider's prespective and the preventative mantainence required.

 

too bad they were parked when you drove by.....

 

cts-v? :-x

 

Any news on this?

 

LOL

 

I never left work yesterday- my company is going thru a merge and things came up... Ill have to find a way to get there this weekend or next week now. I still have a good amount of time to decide and am appreciative of all the thoughts about the GTR and other cars too.

 

I'm almost thinking forget the GTR and the ZR1 with these stupid crazy mark ups. I always wanted a Viper. If you can get one of those for sticker or below I would go for that. Actually, I know you can get those below sticker because there are 2 of them here in St. Louis for below sticker.

 

Get the GTR when it comes out for the second yr not the first. This way they will have cured whatever bugs there were in the 2009 yr car.! Wait for the V-spec.

 

I respect the GTR for its performance and value. But IMO the car looks horrible in person and at the end of the day looks to much like a revised 350Z. I personally think the new 370Z looks a hell of a lot better then a GTR. I am not even a BMW fan, but your M6 is sick!!! I would never in a million years trade it for a nissian gtr, and this is coming from someone who sold a 997 GT3 for a Dodge! lol But its all personal preference i suppose.

 

LOL you are looking at $150,000 for that car and it has the same engine and no launch control. Not sure where Nissan is going with the V-spec.

 

I have to agree with Marcus here...the Z06 is reallyyy nice. I know it has gears to row but, with that light weight and HUGE torque---you really don't NEED to shift it like you do the other High RPM/High Horsepower cars.

The only problem is the rareness or lack there of....Cant argue that. Not to mention that vette guys are a 'different' breed.

We all love the same cars and hate the same cars for EXACTLY the same reasons.

Z06/ZR1---VERY FAST,great price, easy to make faster, relieble......horrible interior, WAAAY to common, GM cache, no e-gear

SL65--FAST, Beautiful,rare........too heavy...too much $$$$

F430---Sex appeal, engine, handling.......not THAT fast, too$$ for a Daily driver, $$ to mod

Lambo--see F430

DB9--GORGEOUS RARE CAR, classy.............not fast...heavy...hard to mod


GTR--Very Rare, Fast, Great handling, Easy to mod, nice price point.........LOTS OF WARRENTY issues=questionable reliability, attracts too much negitive attension, Doesnt have the BRAND appeal of the others.



Life is about compromises -- which are you willing to give up?? Personally, I wouldnt want a GTR.....I couldnt give up that V10 sound......and this is soo tempting..

 

I'm sorry but my statement is dead a$$ on-the-money! I have a business friend/client that just purchased one for less than $5k over MSRP and that included the frieght cost to ship it from the dealership in Arkansas where he purchased it online, to his home outside Chicago. Furthermore I have been contacted by a couple of dealerships that I contacted when I originally placed my order for my ZR1 and they told me they had cars either on their lots or soon to be on their lots that they could let go for MSRP or very close to MSRP

I'm not doubting there are dealerships asking $25-$50K OVER msrp...but we all know they are not going to get it. If they were still a hot item they would all be gobbled up by now. It's no different than the Black Series market was, in Sept. of 2007-Jan. of 2008 they were getting MSRP and well above, by January they were fetching no higher than MSRP and by late March they were going for $5-10k under MSRP, now they are going for $30k under MSRP. I own and buy a lot of cars, the ZR1 is really nothing special, it's still just a Corvette...Same cheap leather, same cheap hollow plastic dash board and stil the same poor Corvette fit and finish. If it was something special I would have held on to mine for more than 3 days, I really did not need the $22k that badly.

 

Nope, they were not parked. If you are ever up in the Chicago area or in Dallas let me know, I would be happy to give you the grand tour of my tail lights, rear cf diffuser, rear dif cooler and quad tail pipes. I here it is really quite nice to look at, one person even called it art.

 

same offer to you, make sure and bring plenty of laughing gas so you can last more than a couple minutes before going back to slow mode....

 

I know you are really interested in a GTR, and they are insane cars, but like some of the others said, you'll get bored with it day to day, its like the world's fastest accelerating computer. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you should try an R8. Or a Gallardo, that would be an interesting change. If you don't mind used, Gallardos can be had for a pretty decent price.

 

I agreee.....

 

I agree with you; the car has the same issues as other Vettes. Still, getting one at or about MSRP would be amazing. Will you provide any information that might help obtaining one for at MSRP or slightly over? Thanks Jim.

 

Wow, probation or no probation, some people never changed.

 

I'm just gonna step in here real quick and post up an article (well, an image of an article) I found regarding the LS9 (the engine in the ZR1).

Read the last sentence. I knew I never faulted when I said GM can build a durable engine (even if they don't know what interiors are).

 

I saw the new GTR at the St. Louis car show yesterday and all I have to say is wow! It is freaking awesome. They had a Cyber Gray ZR1 there as well. I would rather have that ZR1. In that color it looks hot! I would take either but the ZR1 will dominate when it comes to performance. I think my favorite car at the entire show was the New Z28. They had one there that said "Black" on the side of it. That car was freaking awesome! Also, it had the most people around it the entire time i was at the show. No Mercedes at the show this year. Pretty weird.

 

Vic,
I was at a RENNtech event last night and spoke with Brooks (Fiske). As you probably know he had a RENNtech tuned E55 and is a big enthusiast as we are. He absolutely loves his GTR!!! He has no regrets and told me that tuning the GTR is so cheap and easy. I say definitely go for it. You could always find an M6 again if you really hate it and I'm sure you won't. I agree the Z06 would be the way to go if it had a dual clutch tiptronic but it doesn't so go for the GTR. Good luck and post pictures when you get it of course!!!!

Larry

 

Thanks Larry my good friend, long time no chat. And yes I dont take Brooks word lightly nor anyone elses opinion here. I got a chance to stretch the legs on the M6 yesterday and boy does that car move (Im modded light to medium I guess).

I went to the Chevy store but they didnt have a used Z06 to try out and I didnt want to drive a new one and put miles on it (respect to the dealer).

But, I did go next door and there was a GTR there at the Nissan store. They let me test drive it and while test drives are not long I got some initial impressions:

The fit and finish on the black is ok but the silver in the showroom was better. The interior was not bad for Nissan and I really didnt get a chance to play with the NAV. The seats were fine.

Performancewise, its slower than my modded TT by a bit but that is to be expected. Its acceleration is very linear, I didnt really feel the gear shifts and there was minimal turbo lag- better than the TT. It has good dig "get up and go" but was slighly deficient IMHO at higher rolling speeds ie mashing it at 65mph and running to 120mph. The car only had 5 miles on it when I drove it and I didnt have the R buttons on at first. I have no idea what all those things were and the GM wasnt sure either. The handling was superb- planted at all speeds and I even pressed it in high speed bank turns and had no fear. The brake feel was super tight, better than TT in fact from initial impressions. Ill have to drive it again since the first time there is an adrenaline effect.

Overall its an interesting car and Im sure with all the correct setups turned on, the stock car would be even better. If I mod it then I know it will be a monster. I dont think my opinion of the car swayed one way or the other, its still a consideration.

At the Chevy store, they had a ZR1 on the floor and all I can say is damnnnnn amazing and even in yellow!!! No test drive allowed