*** VRP Intercooler Package for V12 BiTurbo ***
04-10-2009, 07:23 PM
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Jak,
Thanks man. Looks like you guys have a great community over here. I'm trying to get up to speed with this Benz. This is my fastest pass to date. Not as fast as Marco
, but moving out pretty good nonetheless.
http://garyjavo.com/videos/2007%20vi...n/8.57pass.wmv
Sorry for the partial thread hijack.
GJ
Thanks man. Looks like you guys have a great community over here. I'm trying to get up to speed with this Benz. This is my fastest pass to date. Not as fast as Marco
, but moving out pretty good nonetheless.http://garyjavo.com/videos/2007%20vi...n/8.57pass.wmv
Sorry for the partial thread hijack.
GJ
Gary, if i remember correctly you u live in Ga. We have meet on the 18th in Atlanta if interested. I think Chappy is putting it together. U can look him up on this board for more info.
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Any thoughts as to how the 65 tcu flash on the 600 compares to the rennech tcu map?
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06-19-2009, 12:43 PM
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i have ordered a kit 2 month ago, it is not even at Victors shop for now (while he ordered 10 kits as written in the begining of the thread). Every day i was getting the unswer "tomorow". Now Victor is not picking up the phone. Do you think the kit exists???
if it exists, what is the quality? any problems with it? Several of my customers are eagerly waiting for it...
if it exists, what is the quality? any problems with it? Several of my customers are eagerly waiting for it...
06-21-2009, 05:04 PM
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I purchased a kit (intercoolers and air intake) from Victor for my 2005 SL600 RENNtech and have been driving the car with it for about two months. Installation was handled by Motorwerks in Detroit with Victor and his assembled team (top notch talent).
Quality of the kit is first rate. This is a tight fit, and there were some very minor issues with the installation which Victor and Motorwerks have handled quickly and professionally to my complete satisfaction.
I attempted to save some money and opted not to get the associated tune, thinking I would see how the car ran with the RENNtech ECU and TCU. I have had no reliability issues at all, but the power increases were not as large as I wanted. So, I opted to have Victor meet me again at Motorwerks and start working on getting a better tune. We did this Friday (two days ago). Victor has the expertise to work on this very complex system and is getting me much closer to the numbers I want for this car. He likes to err on the side of safety and reliability, whereas I tend to want to push the limit too far.
The process is a give-and-take one, and I welcome that because I want my car to meet its full potential. Victor has not been a vendor who wants to just sell me a product, install it, and wish me good luck. He is absolutely committed to getting the car up to my standards of performance and has been meticulous in making sure it's safe and reliable. His product is an incredible value, and he can do more for these engines at a given price point than any of his competition. He doesn't have an office staff to take care of his calls, and therefore doesn't have the associated overhead costs. The price we pay is that sometimes we have to wait longer than we want for a return call or for an email update. Likewise, when you're working with a small company at the forefront of developing a new product, there will be inevitable delays because of supplier/fabricator problems, design revisions, and the like. Again, I feel this is the price we pay for wanting the modifications we do at a reasonable price. I am a very impatient man, but I also realize that this isn't like modding an LS1 or an Evo.
Through it all, Victor has been very honest and straightforward in his dealings with me, and I can't say that about the majority of the vendors I've used in modding my vehicles. He has stood by his price quotes and has fully backed his products. I feel lucky to have found him through this forum.
Many thanks as well to Satish and Bill at Motorwerks, Marko for his assistance and advice, the two MB techs who performed the install, and to the Motor City Steel dyno crew.
I'll be at a track rental this coming Saturday and we'll see where the Benz is sitting. I plan to continue to work with Victor as we accumulate further dyno data and the drag strip results. I haven't posted to this thread until now because I wanted to have more final figures than we do so far. However, with the issue raised above, I felt I should relay my experiences. I hope that in so doing, I have shed more light than heat upon the discussion.
Quality of the kit is first rate. This is a tight fit, and there were some very minor issues with the installation which Victor and Motorwerks have handled quickly and professionally to my complete satisfaction.
I attempted to save some money and opted not to get the associated tune, thinking I would see how the car ran with the RENNtech ECU and TCU. I have had no reliability issues at all, but the power increases were not as large as I wanted. So, I opted to have Victor meet me again at Motorwerks and start working on getting a better tune. We did this Friday (two days ago). Victor has the expertise to work on this very complex system and is getting me much closer to the numbers I want for this car. He likes to err on the side of safety and reliability, whereas I tend to want to push the limit too far.
The process is a give-and-take one, and I welcome that because I want my car to meet its full potential. Victor has not been a vendor who wants to just sell me a product, install it, and wish me good luck. He is absolutely committed to getting the car up to my standards of performance and has been meticulous in making sure it's safe and reliable. His product is an incredible value, and he can do more for these engines at a given price point than any of his competition. He doesn't have an office staff to take care of his calls, and therefore doesn't have the associated overhead costs. The price we pay is that sometimes we have to wait longer than we want for a return call or for an email update. Likewise, when you're working with a small company at the forefront of developing a new product, there will be inevitable delays because of supplier/fabricator problems, design revisions, and the like. Again, I feel this is the price we pay for wanting the modifications we do at a reasonable price. I am a very impatient man, but I also realize that this isn't like modding an LS1 or an Evo.
Through it all, Victor has been very honest and straightforward in his dealings with me, and I can't say that about the majority of the vendors I've used in modding my vehicles. He has stood by his price quotes and has fully backed his products. I feel lucky to have found him through this forum.
Many thanks as well to Satish and Bill at Motorwerks, Marko for his assistance and advice, the two MB techs who performed the install, and to the Motor City Steel dyno crew.
I'll be at a track rental this coming Saturday and we'll see where the Benz is sitting. I plan to continue to work with Victor as we accumulate further dyno data and the drag strip results. I haven't posted to this thread until now because I wanted to have more final figures than we do so far. However, with the issue raised above, I felt I should relay my experiences. I hope that in so doing, I have shed more light than heat upon the discussion.
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I purchased a kit (intercoolers and air intake) from Victor for my 2005 SL600 RENNtech and have been driving the car with it for about two months. Installation was handled by Motorwerks in Detroit with Victor and his assembled team (top notch talent).
Quality of the kit is first rate. This is a tight fit, and there were some very minor issues with the installation which Victor and Motorwerks have handled quickly and professionally to my complete satisfaction.
I attempted to save some money and opted not to get the associated tune, thinking I would see how the car ran with the RENNtech ECU and TCU. I have had no reliability issues at all, but the power increases were not as large as I wanted. So, I opted to have Victor meet me again at Motorwerks and start working on getting a better tune. We did this Friday (two days ago). Victor has the expertise to work on this very complex system and is getting me much closer to the numbers I want for this car. He likes to err on the side of safety and reliability, whereas I tend to want to push the limit too far.
The process is a give-and-take one, and I welcome that because I want my car to meet its full potential. Victor has not been a vendor who wants to just sell me a product, install it, and wish me good luck. He is absolutely committed to getting the car up to my standards of performance and has been meticulous in making sure it's safe and reliable. His product is an incredible value, and he can do more for these engines at a given price point than any of his competition. He doesn't have an office staff to take care of his calls, and therefore doesn't have the associated overhead costs. The price we pay is that sometimes we have to wait longer than we want for a return call or for an email update. Likewise, when you're working with a small company at the forefront of developing a new product, there will be inevitable delays because of supplier/fabricator problems, design revisions, and the like. Again, I feel this is the price we pay for wanting the modifications we do at a reasonable price. I am a very impatient man, but I also realize that this isn't like modding an LS1 or an Evo.
Through it all, Victor has been very honest and straightforward in his dealings with me, and I can't say that about the majority of the vendors I've used in modding my vehicles. He has stood by his price quotes and has fully backed his products. I feel lucky to have found him through this forum.
Many thanks as well to Satish and Bill at Motorwerks, Marko for his assistance and advice, the two MB techs who performed the install, and to the Motor City Steel dyno crew.
I'll be at a track rental this coming Saturday and we'll see where the Benz is sitting. I plan to continue to work with Victor as we accumulate further dyno data and the drag strip results. I haven't posted to this thread until now because I wanted to have more final figures than we do so far. However, with the issue raised above, I felt I should relay my experiences. I hope that in so doing, I have shed more light than heat upon the discussion.
Quality of the kit is first rate. This is a tight fit, and there were some very minor issues with the installation which Victor and Motorwerks have handled quickly and professionally to my complete satisfaction.
I attempted to save some money and opted not to get the associated tune, thinking I would see how the car ran with the RENNtech ECU and TCU. I have had no reliability issues at all, but the power increases were not as large as I wanted. So, I opted to have Victor meet me again at Motorwerks and start working on getting a better tune. We did this Friday (two days ago). Victor has the expertise to work on this very complex system and is getting me much closer to the numbers I want for this car. He likes to err on the side of safety and reliability, whereas I tend to want to push the limit too far.
The process is a give-and-take one, and I welcome that because I want my car to meet its full potential. Victor has not been a vendor who wants to just sell me a product, install it, and wish me good luck. He is absolutely committed to getting the car up to my standards of performance and has been meticulous in making sure it's safe and reliable. His product is an incredible value, and he can do more for these engines at a given price point than any of his competition. He doesn't have an office staff to take care of his calls, and therefore doesn't have the associated overhead costs. The price we pay is that sometimes we have to wait longer than we want for a return call or for an email update. Likewise, when you're working with a small company at the forefront of developing a new product, there will be inevitable delays because of supplier/fabricator problems, design revisions, and the like. Again, I feel this is the price we pay for wanting the modifications we do at a reasonable price. I am a very impatient man, but I also realize that this isn't like modding an LS1 or an Evo.
Through it all, Victor has been very honest and straightforward in his dealings with me, and I can't say that about the majority of the vendors I've used in modding my vehicles. He has stood by his price quotes and has fully backed his products. I feel lucky to have found him through this forum.
Many thanks as well to Satish and Bill at Motorwerks, Marko for his assistance and advice, the two MB techs who performed the install, and to the Motor City Steel dyno crew.
I'll be at a track rental this coming Saturday and we'll see where the Benz is sitting. I plan to continue to work with Victor as we accumulate further dyno data and the drag strip results. I haven't posted to this thread until now because I wanted to have more final figures than we do so far. However, with the issue raised above, I felt I should relay my experiences. I hope that in so doing, I have shed more light than heat upon the discussion.
What were your Post dyno gains w/VRP Intercoolers/CAI?
What Octane ECU-Tune are you opting for? It is my understanding the BEST gains w/this kit were achieved using 105-109 Octane which is quite impossible to run FULL-time for most of us using these cars as daily drivers
06-22-2009, 03:48 AM
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What were your Post dyno gains w/VRP Intercoolers/CAI?
What Octane ECU-Tune are you opting for? It is my understanding the BEST gains w/this kit were achieved using 105-109 Octane which is quite impossible to run FULL-time for most of us using these cars as daily drivers
What were your Post dyno gains w/VRP Intercoolers/CAI?
What Octane ECU-Tune are you opting for? It is my understanding the BEST gains w/this kit were achieved using 105-109 Octane which is quite impossible to run FULL-time for most of us using these cars as daily drivers
Second, I don't have a clean, valid, before and after dyno comparison. My car had never been on a dyno before the kit, but in theory made 625 crank hp before the kit, as it had the RENNtech ECU/TCU upgrade. After the kit and a cat delete, but before re-tuning and before setting up the intercooler pump for constant running, it made 636 whp and 800 wtq according to a Dynapack Evolution dyno. Then, after wiring the pump for constant running and doing some preliminary tuning, we got 593 whp and 731 wtq on a Mustang dyno in Detroit on 6-19-09. Unfortunately, we were also getting much higher numbers due to some traction problems, so I wasn't confident in these last numbers from Detroit. For example, on a simulated quarter mile run, the dyno showed 780 whp and 902 wtq. I don't believe those numbers represent reality, though.
I repeated the dyno in central Ohio on 6-20-09, this time using a Mustang Dynamometer AWD-500-SE. We got fairly consistent results of 587 whp and 655 wtq. Some important points are that the dyno runs in central Ohio and in Detroit were done in hot weather. Also keep in mind that we don't have the tuning worked out for the car yet. Hence, I have been hesitant to put these numbers out because they don't represent the improvement that this kit has made. Of course, using different dynos under different conditions introduces additional variables which make comparisons very hypothetical.
My car has been faster at the track with the kit even before the pump was rewired and the tune changed. The car felt considerably faster with one of the ECU tunes that Victor put in the ECU, but unfortunately I don't have dyno data to back that up.
On pump gas and street tires I ran 11.88 in the quarter mile last year before the kit. My goal is to be in the 10's under the same conditions this year. I am confident that we'll get there when we get the tuning worked out completely. This Saturday, weather permitting, I want to see what times I can get in this rather imperfect state of tune.
When we have the tuning complete I will be willing to post times slips and dyno graphs showing what my car did with this kit. Until then, we have to continue to gather data and be tentative in our conclusions. Victor has done this installation on other cars which did have before and after dyno comparisons (such as Marko's car), and that data is more reliable than mine.
Again, it isn't my intention to "prove" anything here. I'm offering my account of my experiences so far with VRP and Victor. I have been very satisfied with the process and can attest that these kits do exist, they are being installed in customers' cars, and they do work. In the two months that I've had my kit, I've had no reliability issues and no codes. And every time I've had an issue or a question, Victor has come through to make sure I was comfortable and satisfied with his product.
06-22-2009, 09:38 AM
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First, the easy question: I am using Sunoco 94 octane, as this car is a DD.
Second, I don't have a clean, valid, before and after dyno comparison. My car had never been on a dyno before the kit, but in theory made 625 crank hp before the kit, as it had the RENNtech ECU/TCU upgrade. After the kit and a cat delete, but before re-tuning and before setting up the intercooler pump for constant running, it made 636 whp and 800 wtq according to a Dynapack Evolution dyno. Then, after wiring the pump for constant running and doing some preliminary tuning, we got 593 whp and 731 wtq on a Mustang dyno in Detroit on 6-19-09. Unfortunately, we were also getting much higher numbers due to some traction problems, so I wasn't confident in these last numbers from Detroit. For example, on a simulated quarter mile run, the dyno showed 780 whp and 902 wtq. I don't believe those numbers represent reality, though.
I repeated the dyno in central Ohio on 6-20-09, this time using a Mustang Dynamometer AWD-500-SE. We got fairly consistent results of 587 whp and 655 wtq. Some important points are that the dyno runs in central Ohio and in Detroit were done in hot weather. Also keep in mind that we don't have the tuning worked out for the car yet. Hence, I have been hesitant to put these numbers out because they don't represent the improvement that this kit has made. Of course, using different dynos under different conditions introduces additional variables which make comparisons very hypothetical.
My car has been faster at the track with the kit even before the pump was rewired and the tune changed. The car felt considerably faster with one of the ECU tunes that Victor put in the ECU, but unfortunately I don't have dyno data to back that up.
On pump gas and street tires I ran 11.88 in the quarter mile last year before the kit. My goal is to be in the 10's under the same conditions this year. I am confident that we'll get there when we get the tuning worked out completely. This Saturday, weather permitting, I want to see what times I can get in this rather imperfect state of tune.
When we have the tuning complete I will be willing to post times slips and dyno graphs showing what my car did with this kit. Until then, we have to continue to gather data and be tentative in our conclusions. Victor has done this installation on other cars which did have before and after dyno comparisons (such as Marko's car), and that data is more reliable than mine.
Again, it isn't my intention to "prove" anything here. I'm offering my account of my experiences so far with VRP and Victor. I have been very satisfied with the process and can attest that these kits do exist, they are being installed in customers' cars, and they do work. In the two months that I've had my kit, I've had no reliability issues and no codes. And every time I've had an issue or a question, Victor has come through to make sure I was comfortable and satisfied with his product.
Second, I don't have a clean, valid, before and after dyno comparison. My car had never been on a dyno before the kit, but in theory made 625 crank hp before the kit, as it had the RENNtech ECU/TCU upgrade. After the kit and a cat delete, but before re-tuning and before setting up the intercooler pump for constant running, it made 636 whp and 800 wtq according to a Dynapack Evolution dyno. Then, after wiring the pump for constant running and doing some preliminary tuning, we got 593 whp and 731 wtq on a Mustang dyno in Detroit on 6-19-09. Unfortunately, we were also getting much higher numbers due to some traction problems, so I wasn't confident in these last numbers from Detroit. For example, on a simulated quarter mile run, the dyno showed 780 whp and 902 wtq. I don't believe those numbers represent reality, though.
I repeated the dyno in central Ohio on 6-20-09, this time using a Mustang Dynamometer AWD-500-SE. We got fairly consistent results of 587 whp and 655 wtq. Some important points are that the dyno runs in central Ohio and in Detroit were done in hot weather. Also keep in mind that we don't have the tuning worked out for the car yet. Hence, I have been hesitant to put these numbers out because they don't represent the improvement that this kit has made. Of course, using different dynos under different conditions introduces additional variables which make comparisons very hypothetical.
My car has been faster at the track with the kit even before the pump was rewired and the tune changed. The car felt considerably faster with one of the ECU tunes that Victor put in the ECU, but unfortunately I don't have dyno data to back that up.
On pump gas and street tires I ran 11.88 in the quarter mile last year before the kit. My goal is to be in the 10's under the same conditions this year. I am confident that we'll get there when we get the tuning worked out completely. This Saturday, weather permitting, I want to see what times I can get in this rather imperfect state of tune.
When we have the tuning complete I will be willing to post times slips and dyno graphs showing what my car did with this kit. Until then, we have to continue to gather data and be tentative in our conclusions. Victor has done this installation on other cars which did have before and after dyno comparisons (such as Marko's car), and that data is more reliable than mine.
Again, it isn't my intention to "prove" anything here. I'm offering my account of my experiences so far with VRP and Victor. I have been very satisfied with the process and can attest that these kits do exist, they are being installed in customers' cars, and they do work. In the two months that I've had my kit, I've had no reliability issues and no codes. And every time I've had an issue or a question, Victor has come through to make sure I was comfortable and satisfied with his product.
Tom
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First, the easy question: I am using Sunoco 94 octane, as this car is a DD.
Second, I don't have a clean, valid, before and after dyno comparison. My car had never been on a dyno before the kit, but in theory made 625 crank hp before the kit, as it had the RENNtech ECU/TCU upgrade. After the kit and a cat delete, but before re-tuning and before setting up the intercooler pump for constant running, it made 636 whp and 800 wtq according to a Dynapack Evolution dyno. Then, after wiring the pump for constant running and doing some preliminary tuning, we got 593 whp and 731 wtq on a Mustang dyno in Detroit on 6-19-09. Unfortunately, we were also getting much higher numbers due to some traction problems, so I wasn't confident in these last numbers from Detroit. For example, on a simulated quarter mile run, the dyno showed 780 whp and 902 wtq. I don't believe those numbers represent reality, though.
I repeated the dyno in central Ohio on 6-20-09, this time using a Mustang Dynamometer AWD-500-SE. We got fairly consistent results of 587 whp and 655 wtq. Some important points are that the dyno runs in central Ohio and in Detroit were done in hot weather. Also keep in mind that we don't have the tuning worked out for the car yet. Hence, I have been hesitant to put these numbers out because they don't represent the improvement that this kit has made. Of course, using different dynos under different conditions introduces additional variables which make comparisons very hypothetical.
My car has been faster at the track with the kit even before the pump was rewired and the tune changed. The car felt considerably faster with one of the ECU tunes that Victor put in the ECU, but unfortunately I don't have dyno data to back that up.
On pump gas and street tires I ran 11.88 in the quarter mile last year before the kit. My goal is to be in the 10's under the same conditions this year. I am confident that we'll get there when we get the tuning worked out completely. This Saturday, weather permitting, I want to see what times I can get in this rather imperfect state of tune.
When we have the tuning complete I will be willing to post times slips and dyno graphs showing what my car did with this kit. Until then, we have to continue to gather data and be tentative in our conclusions. Victor has done this installation on other cars which did have before and after dyno comparisons (such as Marko's car), and that data is more reliable than mine.
Again, it isn't my intention to "prove" anything here. I'm offering my account of my experiences so far with VRP and Victor. I have been very satisfied with the process and can attest that these kits do exist, they are being installed in customers' cars, and they do work. In the two months that I've had my kit, I've had no reliability issues and no codes. And every time I've had an issue or a question, Victor has come through to make sure I was comfortable and satisfied with his product.
Second, I don't have a clean, valid, before and after dyno comparison. My car had never been on a dyno before the kit, but in theory made 625 crank hp before the kit, as it had the RENNtech ECU/TCU upgrade. After the kit and a cat delete, but before re-tuning and before setting up the intercooler pump for constant running, it made 636 whp and 800 wtq according to a Dynapack Evolution dyno. Then, after wiring the pump for constant running and doing some preliminary tuning, we got 593 whp and 731 wtq on a Mustang dyno in Detroit on 6-19-09. Unfortunately, we were also getting much higher numbers due to some traction problems, so I wasn't confident in these last numbers from Detroit. For example, on a simulated quarter mile run, the dyno showed 780 whp and 902 wtq. I don't believe those numbers represent reality, though.
I repeated the dyno in central Ohio on 6-20-09, this time using a Mustang Dynamometer AWD-500-SE. We got fairly consistent results of 587 whp and 655 wtq. Some important points are that the dyno runs in central Ohio and in Detroit were done in hot weather. Also keep in mind that we don't have the tuning worked out for the car yet. Hence, I have been hesitant to put these numbers out because they don't represent the improvement that this kit has made. Of course, using different dynos under different conditions introduces additional variables which make comparisons very hypothetical.
My car has been faster at the track with the kit even before the pump was rewired and the tune changed. The car felt considerably faster with one of the ECU tunes that Victor put in the ECU, but unfortunately I don't have dyno data to back that up.
On pump gas and street tires I ran 11.88 in the quarter mile last year before the kit. My goal is to be in the 10's under the same conditions this year. I am confident that we'll get there when we get the tuning worked out completely. This Saturday, weather permitting, I want to see what times I can get in this rather imperfect state of tune.
When we have the tuning complete I will be willing to post times slips and dyno graphs showing what my car did with this kit. Until then, we have to continue to gather data and be tentative in our conclusions. Victor has done this installation on other cars which did have before and after dyno comparisons (such as Marko's car), and that data is more reliable than mine.
Again, it isn't my intention to "prove" anything here. I'm offering my account of my experiences so far with VRP and Victor. I have been very satisfied with the process and can attest that these kits do exist, they are being installed in customers' cars, and they do work. In the two months that I've had my kit, I've had no reliability issues and no codes. And every time I've had an issue or a question, Victor has come through to make sure I was comfortable and satisfied with his product.
07-01-2009, 12:36 AM
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A good friend of mine came to me about modding his CL65 and we decided to go with VRP. The kit is the VRP850 kit, I'm not sure if that is the same is what you are discussing here or something similar. The car is being shipped out of NJ to Motorwerksgroup in detroit the 10th and hopefully will be back the 17th if all goes accordingly
Ill keep you all posted. I'm going to do some baseline pulls before we send it to see what it does when it comes back. I was told by Motorwerks that this kit makes 850whp. We'll see. Thats nearly 1000 crank hp no? Pretty insane. Can't wait to drive it.
Ill keep you all posted. I'm going to do some baseline pulls before we send it to see what it does when it comes back. I was told by Motorwerks that this kit makes 850whp. We'll see. Thats nearly 1000 crank hp no? Pretty insane. Can't wait to drive it.
