Brabus 63 AMG Twin-Turbo
03-05-2009, 05:26 PM
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The numbers have nothing to do with drivetrain loss. 2wd or AWD, the crank hp is the same.
I agree that 150hp is a bit minimal, but that may simply be for the turbo. Does anyone know if they have done other things like swapping out pulleys, etc?
Also, would they have not turned the turbos to full on boost? Maybe a tune could add lots more without too much drop in reliability. My concern would be the drivetrain, since the motor was built.
I agree that 150hp is a bit minimal, but that may simply be for the turbo. Does anyone know if they have done other things like swapping out pulleys, etc?
Also, would they have not turned the turbos to full on boost? Maybe a tune could add lots more without too much drop in reliability. My concern would be the drivetrain, since the motor was built.
03-05-2009, 05:34 PM
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Also, if you are implying that the same motor in a sedan would make the car perform that much better, then I would say to look into the ML63. I've personally seen a few of them SMASH E63s and me (
) because of the AWD.650hp in an E body is still just 150 more than stock and barely ahead of the guys we have that have been modding their 63s.
03-05-2009, 05:44 PM
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Brabus at it again...! They just don't rest. I think their numbers are on point but their tuning is very conservative. 720HP on their package and they even upgrade the manifolds and such and the most you could see is 720...hell look at VRP..they squeezed 825 on tunning and IC's alone.
Imagine if they slapped on the VRP IC's with their upgraded Exhaust manifold and upgraded compressor wheel....I wouldn't doubt any figure above 900HP...
Imagine if they slapped on the VRP IC's with their upgraded Exhaust manifold and upgraded compressor wheel....I wouldn't doubt any figure above 900HP...
03-05-2009, 05:50 PM
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Brabus at it again...! They just don't rest. I think their numbers are on point but their tuning is very conservative. 720HP on their package and they even upgrade the manifolds and such and the most you could see is 720...hell look at VRP..they squeezed 825 on tunning and IC's alone.
Imagine if they slapped on the VRP IC's with their upgraded Exhaust manifold and upgraded compressor wheel....I wouldn't doubt any figure above 900HP...
Imagine if they slapped on the VRP IC's with their upgraded Exhaust manifold and upgraded compressor wheel....I wouldn't doubt any figure above 900HP...
Increased displacement + upgraded turbos + VRP cooling stuff = WhoooHoooo
03-05-2009, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by E55Pilot
Photo looks like four, guess I should read the article. Oh well my bad
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03-05-2009, 06:28 PM
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Didn't Kleemann develop a 6.3 Twin Turbo package for the ML as well a while back? I think it made 800 hp or so? 
EDIT: I found the article.....
"This complete engine modification result in the awesome power output of 800 HP and torque electronically limited to 1000 Nm"
http://www.mercedestuningmag.com/kle...l63k-bi-turbo/
EDIT: I found the article.....
"This complete engine modification result in the awesome power output of 800 HP and torque electronically limited to 1000 Nm"
http://www.mercedestuningmag.com/kle...l63k-bi-turbo/
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03-05-2009, 06:34 PM
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I remember that ML Kleemann too but kleemann never gave any infos or pictures and there is nothing on their website. This Brabus setup seems to be far more Real
03-05-2009, 07:52 PM
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I agree with the fact that they could have produced more HP/Torque on another car like an E or CLS or something. But overall that engine is amazing, very fascinating how they were able to even fit the turbos on the engine itself with every functioning properly.
03-05-2009, 08:29 PM
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Didn't Kleemann develop a 6.3 Twin Turbo package for the ML as well a while back? I think it made 800 hp or so?
EDIT: I found the article.....
"This complete engine modification result in the awesome power output of 800 HP and torque electronically limited to 1000 Nm"
http://www.mercedestuningmag.com/kle...l63k-bi-turbo/
EDIT: I found the article.....
"This complete engine modification result in the awesome power output of 800 HP and torque electronically limited to 1000 Nm"
http://www.mercedestuningmag.com/kle...l63k-bi-turbo/
From what I recall, only the ML engine bay has enough room to pull this off. Would be great if it could be squeezed into the other 63 AMG's, but if it could, I would think they would've started with another platform (E or C, perhaps). Makes for one hell of an SUV, however...
03-05-2009, 09:00 PM
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Saw on Top Gear where they had a version of this motor in an SL and it was CRAZY! I think Brabus had to dial the HP from 1000hp to 800HP and the TQ as well.
In any case, it would just burn tires all over the place and even though it was a monster, it was too difficult to control,..
But,....Id still want one...
In any case, it would just burn tires all over the place and even though it was a monster, it was too difficult to control,..
But,....Id still want one...
03-05-2009, 09:01 PM
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When I see one of their cars I think how awesome but why can't they produce these in the E63 in mass quantities, something less than $238,000? How much would you pay?
03-05-2009, 09:16 PM
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Saw on Top Gear where they had a version of this motor in an SL and it was CRAZY! I think Brabus had to dial the HP from 1000hp to 800HP and the TQ as well.
In any case, it would just burn tires all over the place and even though it was a monster, it was too difficult to control,..
But,....Id still want one...
In any case, it would just burn tires all over the place and even though it was a monster, it was too difficult to control,..
But,....Id still want one...
This biturbo setup is for the V8 6.3L AMG motors.
BTW.... DAYUM!
03-06-2009, 02:46 AM
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Brabus at it again...! They just don't rest. I think their numbers are on point but their tuning is very conservative. 720HP on their package and they even upgrade the manifolds and such and the most you could see is 720...hell look at VRP..they squeezed 825 on tunning and IC's alone.
Imagine if they slapped on the VRP IC's with their upgraded Exhaust manifold and upgraded compressor wheel....I wouldn't doubt any figure above 900HP...
Imagine if they slapped on the VRP IC's with their upgraded Exhaust manifold and upgraded compressor wheel....I wouldn't doubt any figure above 900HP...
03-06-2009, 04:18 AM
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[quote=LZH;3393461]You have a point....sure they could have gotten 800+hp, but the reliability would have gone down and the transmission would be destroyed. Although, they did say in the article that the transmission had been upgraded. Also, I think running the power through all 4 wheels is easier on the drive train than just turning the rear wheels.
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well part of the reason was when they built the SL 65 brabus T13 v12 with like 730 hp and 800 torque,Originally ..and it got terrible reviews from car testers
and race drivers,, and the car mags because although it was fast,
it handled terrbile cause it simply had too much power and was always spinning the wheels or the engine ECU was cutting power to 1/2 to control the car..
they have since toned down the car I believe to like 622 and 738 torque, second time they had to reduce power..which strangely enough is right around where mercedes has it in teh first place lol
POWER is easy,, not hard to get 900 HP and 100 torque,, hennesey and brabus have done it tons of times, the hard part is keeping it from tearing the car apart,
and spinning out all the time and killing the driver..
the weak part over 700 hp is always been the TIRES,, street tires, and even moderate racing tires cannot handle that sort of power, and spin, shred and eventually burst.
when they are able to make a super sticky Uber compound, that will not spin or deform with 800+ HP then you can start making cars with more..
true racing cars you see, like INDY< NASCAR, FORMULA one, PRO STOCK DRAG, etc, all have specially deisnged one off tires, that literally are NOTHING like street tires,
and made of exotic compounds, and adhesives, and hand made, with special vulcanizing processes and cost like $2000-4000 ea , so they are built to handle 1500-4000 hp..
if you watch the TOP gear review with the STIGG, who is one of the best FORMULA ONE drivers.. around, he said it was uncontrollable, and so did
the host of the show..and considering the drive the fastest cars in teh world for a living,, imaging how bad a 1000hp brabus would be in a amatuers hands
Hennensey Cars of TX has the same problem with their 1200-1500 HP VIPERS and VETTEs,, all who drove them said it was not drivable around corners or on the street too much power for the chasis.. on SUPERCARS, they all lost to porsches, and others because around a racetrack they were spinning all over the place..
for practicallity,, you should really limit HP to about 800, which is why
KOENIGG, ASCARI and FERRARI, and LAMBO, and ZONDA and SSC Ultimate Aero
all limit their power around 800 HP yet are some of the fastest cars in the world
BUGATTI is the one exception with 1000 HP because it cost $1.5 million and has 16 cylinders, 4 turbos, electric aircraft wings that pop up and stabilize the car, and world class ECU electronics from F1 cars.. distributing power to each wheel independantly with 4 wheel drive and 4 sequential turbos that can build power more evenly, over time.. with less turbo push..
TOP GEAR BRABUS review
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dfff-s2OMc
like Jeremy said so well, Mercedes spends like almost 2 million dollars a day on R and D, hard to make the SL 65 alot better.. except for lightening it up
which is what they did for the SL 63 black series by 250 lbs
here you can see Video of the 2 fastest supercars in the world bar none,,
the BUGATTI, and the ZONDA F,, both do like 255+ and did lap times on the race track of under 1:20, which is like 10 seconds faster than LAMBO
FERRARI, or PORSCHE twin turbo.. or anything else
ZONDA vs BUGATTI on TRACK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Kk8qk5iW5Y
best exhaust sound ever, ZONDA, with F 1 sound.. much better than ferrari
OH and guys, its a mercedes AMG engine V 12, same basic as in SL 65, but bored to 7.3 liters.. WHOA
as I keep telling people you can make a mercedes sound like a F 1 car, or ferrari,, its all in the exhaust
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiroepFi1fw
5th gear road test ZONDA F with 7.3 liter AMG V 12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrCl8...eature=related
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well part of the reason was when they built the SL 65 brabus T13 v12 with like 730 hp and 800 torque,Originally ..and it got terrible reviews from car testers
and race drivers,, and the car mags because although it was fast,
it handled terrbile cause it simply had too much power and was always spinning the wheels or the engine ECU was cutting power to 1/2 to control the car..
they have since toned down the car I believe to like 622 and 738 torque, second time they had to reduce power..which strangely enough is right around where mercedes has it in teh first place lol
POWER is easy,, not hard to get 900 HP and 100 torque,, hennesey and brabus have done it tons of times, the hard part is keeping it from tearing the car apart,
and spinning out all the time and killing the driver..
the weak part over 700 hp is always been the TIRES,, street tires, and even moderate racing tires cannot handle that sort of power, and spin, shred and eventually burst.
when they are able to make a super sticky Uber compound, that will not spin or deform with 800+ HP then you can start making cars with more..
true racing cars you see, like INDY< NASCAR, FORMULA one, PRO STOCK DRAG, etc, all have specially deisnged one off tires, that literally are NOTHING like street tires,
and made of exotic compounds, and adhesives, and hand made, with special vulcanizing processes and cost like $2000-4000 ea , so they are built to handle 1500-4000 hp..
if you watch the TOP gear review with the STIGG, who is one of the best FORMULA ONE drivers.. around, he said it was uncontrollable, and so did
the host of the show..and considering the drive the fastest cars in teh world for a living,, imaging how bad a 1000hp brabus would be in a amatuers hands
Hennensey Cars of TX has the same problem with their 1200-1500 HP VIPERS and VETTEs,, all who drove them said it was not drivable around corners or on the street too much power for the chasis.. on SUPERCARS, they all lost to porsches, and others because around a racetrack they were spinning all over the place..
for practicallity,, you should really limit HP to about 800, which is why
KOENIGG, ASCARI and FERRARI, and LAMBO, and ZONDA and SSC Ultimate Aero
all limit their power around 800 HP yet are some of the fastest cars in the world
BUGATTI is the one exception with 1000 HP because it cost $1.5 million and has 16 cylinders, 4 turbos, electric aircraft wings that pop up and stabilize the car, and world class ECU electronics from F1 cars.. distributing power to each wheel independantly with 4 wheel drive and 4 sequential turbos that can build power more evenly, over time.. with less turbo push..
TOP GEAR BRABUS review
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dfff-s2OMc
like Jeremy said so well, Mercedes spends like almost 2 million dollars a day on R and D, hard to make the SL 65 alot better.. except for lightening it up
which is what they did for the SL 63 black series by 250 lbs
here you can see Video of the 2 fastest supercars in the world bar none,,
the BUGATTI, and the ZONDA F,, both do like 255+ and did lap times on the race track of under 1:20, which is like 10 seconds faster than LAMBO
FERRARI, or PORSCHE twin turbo.. or anything else
ZONDA vs BUGATTI on TRACK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Kk8qk5iW5Y
best exhaust sound ever, ZONDA, with F 1 sound.. much better than ferrari
OH and guys, its a mercedes AMG engine V 12, same basic as in SL 65, but bored to 7.3 liters.. WHOA
as I keep telling people you can make a mercedes sound like a F 1 car, or ferrari,, its all in the exhaust
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiroepFi1fw
5th gear road test ZONDA F with 7.3 liter AMG V 12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrCl8...eature=related
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Last on Page 1! lol
But... but.... make it fit please
http://www.supercars.net/cars/2225.html - I will own this exact car(#17) before I die.
Pagani has tune it a bit more for the Zonda, but not
Veyron so low and wide w/ that AWD and the way it manages air through the front of the car... its like GLUE.
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http://www.supercars.net/cars/2225.html - I will own this exact car(#17) before I die.
Pagani has tune it a bit more for the Zonda, but not
Veyron so low and wide w/ that AWD and the way it manages air through the front of the car... its like GLUE.
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