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Old Mar 5, 2009 | 03:32 PM
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Read the article. This engineering seems to be a jewel of engineering, Overpriced as usual with Brabus.

I could'nt stop staring at the engine Pic, I dreamed for so long of a Twin Turbo 6.2 AMG V8.

Brabus presents this engine on a ML. but maybe on other cars in the future.
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Old Mar 5, 2009 | 03:36 PM
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um...... WOW !!!

"Forged BRABUS pistons provide a charger-friendly compression ratio of 9.0:1."

Guess someone figured the stock 11:3.1 was too high - LOL

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Old Mar 5, 2009 | 03:41 PM
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Wow! I remember reading a while back that this was in the works. Now here is the proof!
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um...... WOW !!!

"Forged BRABUS pistons provide a charger-friendly compression ratio of 9.0:1."

Guess someone figured the stock 11:3.1 was too high - LOL
LOL...

I want to say ... But ... EVERYBODY is "charger-friendly" (just love that expression) Here !!!!!
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The new exhaust manifolds are prety trick. Using only 3 cylinders per side to spin the turbos is just amazing.
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Old Mar 5, 2009 | 03:56 PM
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WOW !!!
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Very nice!
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Old Mar 5, 2009 | 04:02 PM
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The new exhaust manifolds are prety trick. Using only 3 cylinders per side to spin the turbos is just amazing.
You need to have your eyes checked. all four stacks are spinning the turbo
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You need to have your eyes checked. all four stacks are spinning the turbo
LZH is right !!!! only three cylinders spin the turbos !!!
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You need to have your eyes checked. all four stacks are spinning the turbo
Actually, you are the one that needs to get your eyes checked...or maybe learn how to read.

"To avoid negative effects on the system from excessive exhaust-gas pressures the manifolds are designed to utilize the exhaust from only three of the four cylinders on each side of the engine V for driving the turbochargers."

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Uhh... am I the only one thinking this? but, that much effort and 510 -> 650... that's not a major gain? I mean renntech headers, ECU and those other bolt-on's get you to like 600, don't they? (mostly because out stock headers suck ***.) I was thinking 800hp+ ??? I will be the first to admit I don't know that much, but...
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Originally Posted by E55Pilot
You need to have your eyes checked. all four stacks are spinning the turbo
The pictures look like four to me too but the article that is linked to in the original post says differently

To avoid negative effects on the system from excessive exhaust-gas pressures the manifolds are designed to utilize the exhaust from only three of the four cylinders on each side of the engine V for driving the turbochargers.
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Originally Posted by phatmitzu
Actually, you are the one that needs to get your eyes checked...or maybe learn how to read.

"To avoid negative effects on the system from excessive exhaust-gas pressures the manifolds are designed to utilize the exhaust from only three of the four cylinders on each side of the engine V for driving the turbochargers."

Beat me to the punch
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Originally Posted by suicidal4life
The pictures look like four to me too but the article that is linked to in the original post says differently

To avoid negative effects on the system from excessive exhaust-gas pressures the manifolds are designed to utilize the exhaust from only three of the four cylinders on each side of the engine V for driving the turbochargers.
if you look closely you will see the fourth exhaust port in is not connected to the turbo manifold.
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Originally Posted by suicidal4life
The pictures look like four to me too but the article that is linked to in the original post says differently

To avoid negative effects on the system from excessive exhaust-gas pressures the manifolds are designed to utilize the exhaust from only three of the four cylinders on each side of the engine V for driving the turbochargers.
Photo looks like four, guess I should read the article. Oh well my bad
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Originally Posted by intellilogic
Uhh... am I the only one thinking this? but, that much effort and 510 -> 650... that's not a major gain? I mean renntech headers, ECU and those other bolt-on's get you to like 600, don't they? (mostly because out stock headers suck ***.) I was thinking 800hp+ ??? I will be the first to admit I don't know that much, but...
Those numbers are those of the ML63 twin turbo. Maybe Brabus could'nt get more because of the four wheel drive.

I'm pretty sure we will have larger numbers if brabus put this engine in rear wheel drive coupe & sedans .
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Originally Posted by intellilogic
Uhh... am I the only one thinking this? but, that much effort and 510 -> 650... that's not a major gain? I mean renntech headers, ECU and those other bolt-on's get you to like 600, don't they? (mostly because out stock headers suck ***.) I was thinking 800hp+ ??? I will be the first to admit I don't know that much, but...

You have a point....sure they could have gotten 800+hp, but the reliability would have gone down and the transmission would be destroyed. Although, they did say in the article that the transmission had been upgraded. Also, I think running the power through all 4 wheels is easier on the drive train than just turning the rear wheels.

As far as only 3 cylinders per side spinning the turbos....you can clearly see in the pic how the last exhaust port has it's own dedicated manifold that is only connected to the others BEHIND the turbo. It's a strange setup...very trick but odd. I would think the difference in backpressure would be a problem, but apparently they've figured out how to get around that. I'm not sure I've ever seen this type of setup before for a turbo...
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If I had my hands on one of those I'd turn up the boost in a second! Built motor right?
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Originally Posted by E55Pilot
Photo looks like four, guess I should read the article. Oh well my bad
Oh well.
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Originally Posted by DCMETRO22Z
Those numbers are those of the ML63 twin turbo. Maybe Brabus could'nt get more because of the four wheel drive.

I'm pretty sure we will have larger numbers if brabus put this engine in rear wheel drive coupe & sedans .
True... The torque is sweet though! Why would they do an ML? lots of people doing the ML's... the special performance studio edition ML looked SICK!!! (I saw it in person at my dealership) I volunteer my car! Brabus, shoot me a PM and we will get in touch, make history and what not. (LOL)

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With a rated power output of 650 hp (641 bhp) / 478 kW at just 6,200 rpm the BRABUS engine surpasses its production counterpart by 140 hp (138 bhp) / 103 kW. Peak torque of the ML 63 Biturbo is 850 Nm (626 lb-ft), up from standard 630 Nm (464 lb-ft). It is available on a wide plateau between 3,000 and 5,500 rpm.
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Originally Posted by DCMETRO22Z
Those numbers are those of the ML63 twin turbo. Maybe Brabus could'nt get more because of the four wheel drive.

I'm pretty sure we will have larger numbers if brabus put this engine in rear wheel drive coupe & sedans .
The numbers have nothing to do with drivetrain loss. 2wd or AWD, the crank hp is the same.

I agree that 150hp is a bit minimal, but that may simply be for the turbo. Does anyone know if they have done other things like swapping out pulleys, etc?

Also, would they have not turned the turbos to full on boost? Maybe a tune could add lots more without too much drop in reliability. My concern would be the drivetrain, since the motor was built.
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Does anyone remember what the mods were on the ML63 that we checked out at brabus that day? remember they cranked it up and ooohed and aweed about it lots. All I remember was exhaust.
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i spot inconel exhaust manifolds
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ROFLROFLROFL!!!!!


In all seriousness, the craftsmanship looks exquisite. I could stare at that motor for days and would buy it in a beat if I could afford it.
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