Nait Sirhc

The new M5 is getting a twin-turbo version of the existing V10, to compete with Audi's TT Lamborghini V10. I'm not sure why everyone thinks the 5 would be going back to a V8.... I've seen several sites that talk about the TT V8 as well as the TT V10.

hotrod182

The 4.4L V8 TT is already putting out 555HP in the SAV X6/X5 M versions.
BMW already makes NA engines that sweep the international engine of the year awards. Using their same technology and putting on turbos makes them that much more powerful. We are talking about some serious design innovation. Just look at this engine. And this isn't even an all out M car. Imagine what the M5 might put out. And the Audi V10 only puts out about 25hp more than the BMW SAVs?

http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3469

And yes, my 335i trapped over 120 mph with just tune/tires/fuel/3500lbs.
11.783 ET with no burn out or limited slip.
My mods could all be done in less than 1hr to any 335i!

And talking about 135i BMWs, how about this?:

There is a 135i BMW that just ran in the 11's with stock Run Flats, Airbox, Rear Exhaust, intercooler, etc. Just a midpipe and intake scoops (which do nothing at all). He was trapping over 119mph also. And now for the clincher, he did all his runs launching in 2nd gear! (because of the poor traction of the stock tires)

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=252651

Blacksport350

I'm very impressed.

I love the JB3 setup and it seems to produce tons of power for the money ($580). Sadly, I am going with the slower and FAR more expensive Dinan package so I can toss my local Dinan BMW dealer the keys and say "figure it out boys". I know there has been a lot of hate towards Dinan but having owned 3 complete Dinan cars, I have never had a warranty issue that wasn't easily resolved.

Cylinder Head

iTrader: (1)

Because the TT V8 has already been introduced and the S85 was designed from the ground up to be NA, you don't just slap turbo's on it and say "go for it slugger!"

The idea is to get BETTER fuel economy. I can attest to the fact that my M5 averages 12.5mpg, and with turbos it would be somewhere around 7mpg.

nlpamg

I think I'm going to go with a P-Car (GT3) to replace the M5 when the time comes.

To me, the beauty of an M is found in the high-revving engines--I'd rather have n/a all the way over f/i.

Koru_Kinshi

There won't be any more horsepower with a mentality like that.

I love power as much as the next person, but this is the only place we've got to live and drive. Without it, we've got nothing.

Cylinder Head

iTrader: (1)

Spoken like a true citizen of the Peoples Republik of Khalifornia. By the way, your bread vouchers have been printed and your gray coveralls are clean and ready for you.

Vic55

Yeah but its sourdough freshly baked my brother... and those overalls are made by True Relgion Jeans

clkwork

Let he without AMG cast the first Prius.

Cylinder Head

iTrader: (1)

My girlfriend is a director for TR, they make a great product, but are run by complete idiots.

nlpamg

nlpamg

I used to love TR back about 5 or so years ago when they were first starting. now they've become so diluted that you see all the formerly Evisu-wearing hood rats wearing them.

psk145

I think I've seen them at costco too. I could be wrong though, but it was one of those "designer" brands.

nlpamg

yeah, it's gone downhill. once they opened up their outlet stores, all the douche-nozzles started wearing them.

MRAMG1

After owning a M3 and a M roadster, your kidding right

N/A motors sound sweet, but let me say one word. STOPLIGHTS

I'll take ANY FI motor in the real world driving, aka city ANYDAY my friend.

Sorry for the rant, but it was the N/A that made me switch OUT of BMW's.

See yeah

But I did enjoy my test drive of a 335

nlpamg

I'll admit, the E46 M3 didn't have much low-end torque and that was pretty annoying.

I think it's all a matter of personal preference. I'd rather have an engine that screams up until 8,400rpm than one that has a good amount of torque up until 4,400rpm.

MRAMG1

Hey, I freely admit that my exhaust note at 8000 was EXCEPTIONAL to say the least. But for daily stop and go driving, I'll take my FI anyday.

Have fun my friend, and YES I did really enjoy both my BMW's but from now on its MB's in my driveway

See yeah

Thericker

Sure is funny how you run HIGHER TRAP's & LOWER ET's w/HIGHER 60FT's than ANYONE else on Dragtimes w/335i & you claim ONLY

I can't believe you think were going to believe you can run the LOWEST ET's on Dragtimes w/HIGHEST TRAP's with a 335i that's only running tune/tires/fuel you wont even admit to using aftermarket Air-filtersvs. these other SLOWER 335i's below that have multiple (5+) integral mods listed below

BallaJL15 has this mod list & ran...
11.841* 117.581 7.618 95.706 1.810 BMW 335i Procede V3 6MT Coupe 2008 BallaJL15

Intercooler: Active Autowerks

Intake & Air Filter: Twin K&N
Headers / Downpipe: Riss Racing
Exhaust: Autobahn Exotics

Computer ECU Chip Upgrade: Vishnu Procede V3

Gas: MS 109

Clutch/Torq Conv: UUC ceramic

Wheels: Kosei K1

Tires Hoosier Drag Radials
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Shiv Pathak ran these #'s w/these mods...
11.865^ 118.249 7.642 94.676 1.772 BMW 335i PROcede v3.1 Coupe 2007 Shiv Pathak

Intercooler: Code 3
Intake & Air Filter: Vishnu Twintakes
Headers / Downpipe: Riss Racing

Exhaust: Vishnu

Computer ECU Chip Upgrade: Vishnu PROcede v3.1

Gas: 100+

Transmission: 6MT

Differential: Quaiffe

Wheels: Rota

Tires BFG Drag Radials
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Terry Burger (Tuner of JuiceBox) Ran these #'s w/these mods...
11.898*+^ 114.910 7.621 91.300 1.661 BMW 335i Juice Box 2007 Burger Motorsports

Intake & Air Filter: Cone air filters
Headers / Downpipe: Ultimate Racing offroad

Computer ECU Chip Upgrade: Stage 2

Gas: 97

Wheels: Kosei K1 17x8.5
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JacqueVIP ran these #'s w/these mods...
11.908*+ 115.930 7.640 91.440 1.664 BMW 335i Sedan 2007 JacqueVIP-
Intercooler: Modified Stock I/C by VIP Tuning

Intake & Air Filter: Custom VIP Tuning CAI
Headers / Downpipe:

Exhaust: Custom Turbo back with Cut Outs

Computer ECU Chip Upgrade: AA Xede with Custom Mapping

Clutch/Torq Conv: Yes
Differential: Quaife

Tires Mickey Thompson DRs
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Real****y ran these #'s w/these mods...
12.218*+ 114.909 7.885 93.004 1.800 BMW 335i 6MT E90 JB3 2007 Real****y

Boost Control: JB3 Pre29.2 1.0v

Intake & Air Filter: BMS Single Filter
Headers / Downpipe: UR High Flow Cats

Computer ECU Chip Upgrade: Juice Box Stage3

Gas: 97 oct

Tires Nitto 555R Drag Radial
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Now you infest our Forum w/You expect us to believe your times
11.783 119.551 7.633 94.630 1.788 BMW 335i JB3 TM Steptronic Coupe 2008 Hotrod182
11.829* 117.910 7.636 94.152 1.771 BMW 335i JB3 1.2 Steptronic Coupe 2008 Hotrod 182
11.872* 120.916 7.761 95.154 1.919 BMW 335i JB3 TM Steptronic Coupe 2008 Hotrod 182
11.991* 117.524 7.774 93.359 1.875 BMW 335i JB3 Steptronic Sedan 2007 Hotrod182
Were achieved w/these mods??
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Boost Control: JB3 TM beta

Battery: Braille

Gas: 105 Unleaded

Wheels: K1 17

Tires Hoosier Dot DRs

:A lightweight Battery: Braille & J3 tune

You're FULL OF

blackbenzz

+1
You cant get the V10TT in the states

skratch77

the 335s will all start running over 120 soon,yo rickter that guy is running a new map that just got put out.


they are making way more power than the first tuned 335s on dragtimes.they call it the turbo melter map for a reason lol.

and the procedes are now running on the can bus and will make more power also,there only a few with the beta maps out there but the cars are getting faster and faster.

hes not the only kid who trapped 120+ theres another thats running the same tune and also broke 119 and these are normal 335s not tuner cars.

Thericker

Are you kidding? the other Dragtimes speak volumes guys are in the 117-118+ range w/Intercooler upgrades/down pipes/cat-back Autobahn Exotics
/hi-flo or no cats/Clutch/Torq Conv: UUC ceramic/CAI K&N/Differential: Quaiffe etc..

No way in hell is he running those ET's & 120+ traps with just tune/tires/fuel look @ the data...A 335i w/ONLY J3 Tune/Race fuel/drag tires is 12.40 @ 109-112 @ best...Hotrod82 even lied about using different wheels on this forum he says on Dragtimes he at least admits using Drag Wheels : K1 17

You think they can just turn up the boost w/out upgraded cooling IE aftermarket Intercoolers etc.. Then just magically get traction w/out LSD Quaiffe..I have 1st hand exp w/J3 race mapped 335i I raced Mario from this forum multiple times, his car would constantly go into Limp Mode w/the reg J3 map or Race Map, they can't keep adding boost w/out additional supporting mods LoL...

More info...

How bout straight from the horses mouth IE Terry Burgers JuiceBox website they just ran the LIGHTER 135i w/LATEST MAP, + ALL THESE EXTRA MODS & guess what??? that's right 120MPH Trap @ 11.80!

From JuiceBox website I must be wrong because all lil' hotrod182 needs on his heavier 335i is Guys full of

hotrod182

You really need to research a little more before you make such harsh accusations! Many of the people getting these high traps and great ETs do not have upgraded intercoolers, downpipes, etc. So the guy in the 135i takes off in 2nd gear, on stock RFTs, Airbox, intercooler, etc, and still runs in the 11's at almost 120mph! And you think my runs are unbelievable??Also, Terry ran that 120mph run months ago. His 440+ HP dyno was just done the other week. So, his 120mph run is probably just old news. Its easy to try and make these kinds of comparisons that you are making, but often are not accurate and without proper research.

So exactly what do you think I am running? Nitrous? LSD? Meth? Bigger turbos? Down pipes, intercoolers? You are beginning to sound like Terry's competitor! How about the same challenge. For $500 You inspect my car with a microscope and see if you can find one sign of tampering, wrench marks,etc on my exhaust system, turbos, intercooler, differential, etc. If you find nothing at all, you pay up, if you find that I had something installed I haven't mentioned publicly, I owe you $500. Lied about my tires?? By tires I mean they are not on the stock set up. No one reasonably would believe you are running 11's on stock RFTs/or wheels in the factory 18" size on a 335i. (Although that 135i did exactly that). And yes, if I was trying to hide it, I wouldn't constantly post the words "Hoosiers/DRs/Tires/Wheels, etc. Anyone can find my times on Drag Times and see that everything is listed in more detail. If I didn't have a sport suspension, and had the factory 17"s then I could still run on the factory wheels with the Hoosiers. But since I have 18"s to begin with, that wasn't an option. And the 19" M6 Reps that I normally run, definitely aren't an option for drag racing with. So what is it exactly that you have found to be BS??

As I said before, all the mods could be done to my car in less than an hour. Aftermarket:Tune/Gas/Tires (and Wheels!),3500lb race weight.

That is exactly why I posted the thread of the nearly stock 135i that ran in the 11's at almost 120mph, on stock RFTs, starting off in 2nd gear. No aftermarket downpipes, airfilters, etc. Any person with reasonable technical experience in these matters will know that everything makes sense. Suddenly these N54 cars with minimal mods are heading towards the 11's and trapping at 115-120mph suddenly.

You have got to be kidding me about not being able to run these times/speeds with a nearly stock car. Shiv (the owner of Vishnu) was actually there when I ran some of my numbers. He actually came over, looked under my hood, etc. I invited him to inspect it even. Believe me, he would have loved to have found a reason why I was running faster times than the car running his tunes at the same track, same day. Do you really think I can't run these numbers with all that in mind? When I state tune/tires/gas/3500lbs, I hope it is understood that I am not running on my 19" Generals! Of course it is aftermarket tires and wheels. I always try and put all the details in dragtimes.com for those that need all the little details. That is like you trying to race me through the 1/4 mile on your low profile tires from a dig. I still haven't seen you run in the 1/4 mile once yet, but I am very curious. If you are still stock, we should run the 1/4, and video it. I should out launch you on my DRs vs your low profiles, but your huge HP advantage may just about reel me in at the end of the 1/4 mile. It will be fun, we can get it on video. Hit me up when you are passing by one of these late evenings. My friend has a SL600 with tune and I want to get a video for him.

But seriously, to come out in a public forum and call BS on a person who has done nothing but methodical testing with public results is pretty bold. I think the last time someone claimed the same, well lets just say people still make fun of his accusations, time after time. As more 335i BMW run similar numbers to mine when taking into account all the factors, you will literally be eating your words too. And I think most other people who are knowledgeable on the subject would guarantee this to be true.

Thericker

Where did I say you lied about tires?? you have little reading comprehension, I said & quote myself here You tell me about doing better research? LoL you can't even remember what I clearly typed above

Eating words??

How bout juicey telling us about your lightweight Battery/Seat removal/super light weight 17" drag wheels...

You're full of I've ran Mario's 335i from this board numerous times he had the J3 Race Gas Map No way in hell was he even close to 120mph traps.

Terry's 135i is lighter than a 335i, & had to add Riss Racing downpipes, Riss Racing catback, Code3 intercooler, and the BMS dual cone intake. to accomplish 120mph trap @ 11.8

This is pointless ALL other J3 335i's w/race-gas/drag rad's run 109-113 @ BEST ET 12.40 Well you said it! I guess all that's left is running NOS if you have none of the other integral mods listed above, your claims are asinine...

hotrod182

Did I hear Mario beat you in his 335i before? His car has run a best of maybe, 12.6 in the 1/4 mile??

So what is it that doesn't make sense to you? Do you think I picked up 8mph by going to 17's wheels and removing a little weight? Maybe your math skills need honing. So if I am running almost as light as a 135i, and running around the same traps as ones running stock RFTs, what is so hard to believe?? Did you read the thread I supplied for you? And FYI, my results on map #5, regular 91 octane:

JB3 1.3 Beta II 3/05/09
50F, 91 octane. 17" Kosei/Hoosiers
Map#5
Run#1 DS Mode
¼ mile: 12.3 sec at 114.9 mph
60ft: 1.9 sec
1/8 mile: 8.0 sec at 92.3 mph
0-60mph: 3.9 sec

Run#2 DS Mode
¼ mile: 12.4 sec at 115.0 sec
1/8 mile: 8.1 sec at 92.2 mph
0-60 mph: 4.1 sec

Run#3 DS Mode
¼ mile: 12.3 sec at 115.3 mph
60ft: 1.9 sec
1/8 mile: 8.0 sec at 92.5 mph
0-60 mph: 3.9 sec

So read what about the guy running in the 11's at close to 120mph, 2nd gear launch, RFTs again:

http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3601

Are you the only one in the world now that still thinks my runs are not possible? I think most people would agree you are in your own little world on this one... I can back up my claims with countless, documented information if you want. I've got videos, and printouts of dozens, of runs. Just look at my videos, and you will see that I am not running 25psi of boost either! You are the one that hasn't even posted a time slip yet, or have you?

On a side note: The BMW 4.4L TT is supposedly underrated at 555hp. Should be interesting!

Thericker

You posted/shared these times here, it's about you NOT me, I've never said I was a 1/4 mile king (You know that, when I tried to set-up some frwy rolls w/you, you declined & only would run me from a dig even tho you had drag wheels/tires & I didn't totally lame race for somone w/120+ trap)

I believe the actual Tuner of JuiceBox3 Race Map Terry Burgers statements from HIS website say it all...
I've never contested your actually running these great times, I even gave you prop's on your 120MPH trap in other thread, what I'm contesting is your frivolous attempt to state you ONLY used JB3 tune/gas/tires to do it

What about Juicee informing us on your extra weight savings: Seat removal/lightweight battery/super lightweight 17" wheels which you conveniently omit here on MBW? Why are you here again? seems every post you make your gloating over your latest runs when nobody even asked about them? go back to E90 world lol, Ohh wait they don't even believe you over there...

Edit:Mario only beat me when my Intercooler pump failed + collapsed engine/tranny mounts, made launching impossible, after Warranty repairs it was NO contest, we all lined up vs his buddy Dwayne (C6 Corvette w/Supercharger/headers ecu/tcu dyno tune etc) Mario got left for DEAD = multi-lengths & the C6 & I ran total of (2) races both door to door dead-even from about 30-130mph