100 octane fuel question
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I run only 100oct, I drive to work on 100oct, I got to the grocery store on 100oct. Infact I've got 109oct in my car right now. On the dyno 100oct is worth about 15-20hp by it self. The ECU will adapt to the 100oct and add some timing and increase power.
100oct or race fuel, burns slower or longer than standard pump gas. It creating more energy on the piston because it burns longer through the down stroke. Rather than a quick poof like standard pump gas.
Octane rating is basically the fuels ability to resist detonation. So more timing can be added simply due to the fact that race gas will resist prematurely igniting under compression.
Cars with very aggressive tunes or very high compression ratios require higher octane fuels. If I was to put 91 octane in my car it would blow up with the tune I'm running right now from detonation.
With an AMG Mercedes already set to run on higher octane pump gas, like 91-93oct. Adding or running 100oct fuel will cause the ECU to make an adjustment. The end result will be more power in our cars.
That doesnt mean go out in toss 100oct in your minivan or in your stock Honda Civic. That could have some adverse effect on the car and would just end up wasting money on $8 a gal gas. In fact they may not even be able to burn all the race gas and you will end up with fuel in areas of your car you dont want it.
EDIT: I would also like to add, With countless dyno pulls, and witness to countless more. 100oct (mix of 91 and 109) acted like a tune in a bottle. consistently showing more dyno WHP than over standard 91oct fuel.
100oct or race fuel, burns slower or longer than standard pump gas. It creating more energy on the piston because it burns longer through the down stroke. Rather than a quick poof like standard pump gas.
Octane rating is basically the fuels ability to resist detonation. So more timing can be added simply due to the fact that race gas will resist prematurely igniting under compression.
Cars with very aggressive tunes or very high compression ratios require higher octane fuels. If I was to put 91 octane in my car it would blow up with the tune I'm running right now from detonation.
With an AMG Mercedes already set to run on higher octane pump gas, like 91-93oct. Adding or running 100oct fuel will cause the ECU to make an adjustment. The end result will be more power in our cars.
That doesnt mean go out in toss 100oct in your minivan or in your stock Honda Civic. That could have some adverse effect on the car and would just end up wasting money on $8 a gal gas. In fact they may not even be able to burn all the race gas and you will end up with fuel in areas of your car you dont want it.
EDIT: I would also like to add, With countless dyno pulls, and witness to countless more. 100oct (mix of 91 and 109) acted like a tune in a bottle. consistently showing more dyno WHP than over standard 91oct fuel.
Last edited by hooleyboy; Oct 1, 2009 at 02:42 AM.
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Maybe that's all bs, but I got that info from somewhere(?) Maybe on the PL?
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My understanding (at least with later model E63s) is that the ECU is set at either higher octane (Euro), 91-93 (US), or on 'auto' where the ECU will eventually adjust to the octane you feed it. But that in the US it's set by default to 91-93 and so 100 won't do much. So you have to have set it to 'auto.'
Maybe that's all bs, but I got that info from somewhere(?) Maybe on the PL?
Maybe that's all bs, but I got that info from somewhere(?) Maybe on the PL?
Its my understanding the 63's have strange things going on when it comes to fuel. So on the 63's I just dont know??
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I dyno'd my '03 E55 when it was stock on 100 octane and 93 octane back to back. 100 octane lost a bit of power on the dyno.
It's important to know that you want to run the least amount of octane possible without causing pre-ignition or detonation. Running too much octane can rob you of power and generally make your car run poorly. People tend to think that high octane is like injecting nitrous into your engine but that's really not the case.
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It's important to know that you want to run the least amount of octane possible without causing pre-ignition or detonation. Running too much octane can rob you of power and generally make your car run poorly. People tend to think that high octane is like injecting nitrous into your engine but that's really not the case.
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I dyno'd my '03 E55 when it was stock on 100 octane and 93 octane back to back. 100 octane lost a bit of power on the dyno.
It's important to know that you want to run the least amount of octane possible without causing pre-ignition or detonation. Running too much octane can rob you of power and generally make your car run poorly. People tend to think that high octane is like injecting nitrous into your engine but that's really not the case.
-m
It's important to know that you want to run the least amount of octane possible without causing pre-ignition or detonation. Running too much octane can rob you of power and generally make your car run poorly. People tend to think that high octane is like injecting nitrous into your engine but that's really not the case.
-m
even with all my mods, i saw no real gains on the dyno with higher octane fuel until the tune was changed.
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I dyno'd my '03 E55 when it was stock on 100 octane and 93 octane back to back. 100 octane lost a bit of power on the dyno.
It's important to know that you want to run the least amount of octane possible without causing pre-ignition or detonation. Running too much octane can rob you of power and generally make your car run poorly. People tend to think that high octane is like injecting nitrous into your engine but that's really not the case.
-m
It's important to know that you want to run the least amount of octane possible without causing pre-ignition or detonation. Running too much octane can rob you of power and generally make your car run poorly. People tend to think that high octane is like injecting nitrous into your engine but that's really not the case.
-m
My ex crew chief worked at a local refinery/research plant. And botom line is ALL engines require a finite amount of octane, running more or less only hurts performance.
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Absolutely you’ll see a performance increase when using 100-octane fuel. I’ve had great luck using VP’s StreetBlaze100 in my e-class. The car is more responsive, quicker, and I definitely have a lot more power and torque.
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1. Dyno knowledge
2. Research as an engineer in octane developement at the Gulf resarech lab in Cheswick PA 1985-88
3. MB ECU tech with knowledge of their parameters
4. Seat of the pants feeling
I have the first two, or first hand knowledge of, in this playing field, your's are?
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And you base this on:
1. Dyno knowledge
2. Research as an engineer in octane developement at the Gulf resarech lab in Cheswick PA 1985-88
3. MB ECU tech with knowledge of their parameters
4. Seat of the pants feeling
I have the first two, or first hand knowledge of, in this playing field, your's are?
1. Dyno knowledge
2. Research as an engineer in octane developement at the Gulf resarech lab in Cheswick PA 1985-88
3. MB ECU tech with knowledge of their parameters
4. Seat of the pants feeling
I have the first two, or first hand knowledge of, in this playing field, your's are?
I wash my car and it feels faster to me lol. The scientific explanation is that when its clean it has less dirt and dust on it and the wax allows for better aerodynamics. I'm not a physicist but I stayed at a holiday inn express last night... oh wait... no I didnt, doh!
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must be tuned for it
If your car isn't tuned for 100octane ... its a crap shoot. You might get a bit better performance or you might actually lose some performance.
I'm like Hooley I run 100octane straight all the time. But my car has been tuned specifically for 100octane.
IF you are running 100 octane or any race fuel ... make sure that you also are adding techron etc.
I'm like Hooley I run 100octane straight all the time. But my car has been tuned specifically for 100octane.
IF you are running 100 octane or any race fuel ... make sure that you also are adding techron etc.
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Don't you have #4 too? I wash my car and it feels faster to me lol. The scientific explanation is that when its clean it has less dirt and dust on it and the wax allows for better aerodynamics. I'm not a physicist but I stayed at a holiday inn express last night... oh wait... no I didnt, doh!
I wash my car and it feels faster to me lol. The scientific explanation is that when its clean it has less dirt and dust on it and the wax allows for better aerodynamics. I'm not a physicist but I stayed at a holiday inn express last night... oh wait... no I didnt, doh!
That's a keeper my friend
PS; Washing a car is good for atleast 10rwhp
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Variables in engines are, timing, build up on valves and pistons, assembly tolerances, etc, etc.
One engine may run just fine on 91, while another may require 95.
Bottom line is, unless your ECU is tuned for 100+ octane save your money
I have a few of these too 
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