Originally Posted by Mikesamg

Is it possible these cars are not build to spec to be equal, not to mention cars do break in better then others, some do turn into lemons after all, so how far off would it be for a stock 55 to trap 4-5mph higher?

Originally Posted by Hammer Down

Here is my theory on why and how I've gone faster over the past two years. When I 1st ran I just showed up in street trim, no race/pump gas mix , did not ice, did not reset ecu before running, I did not air up the front tires and I was trying to launch at to high of an rpm with under inflated rear tires

Fast forward two years I do all of those things that I didnt do before but the biggest thing now is that on street tires you have to launch carefully or you will spin, so on all of my trips to the strip I've had to be careful and now that I have drag radials I am slowly gaining the confidence that they will hook up allowing me to get into the gas MUCH quicker than ever before resulting in quicker and faster times. Since adding drag radials I've gone 2.45mph faster and .31 seconds quicker in the quarter.

and that's my theory!

Originally Posted by Mikesamg

Was that the run against you? That would explain why I saw all the bad ones since I was in the box doing my thing. Still that's low trap speeds for a car spinning off the line when it's suppose to be faster. I wasn't impressed, an M5 we saw a couple sessions back was doing better and it's suppose to be a tad slower correct? I'm thinking way too much low end power for the guy but also what size tire does that thing have in the back?

I still think the car is over rated from the factory which wouldn't be anything out of the ordinary.

Originally Posted by Hammer Down

no he ran 117 once while we were at our cars and against me on my bad run that I mentioned early he only ran 13.6@115

Originally Posted by Mikesamg

Still not impressed, I want to be I like the car and want it to be fast. Maybe I'm being too picky on the car that it seems bad to me. I just see videos of the car pulling hard on some fast ones yet it wasn't picking up that much. Maybe it shines past the 1/4? Either way I hope the guy had fun with his family watching and wasn't *****ing like we were about the little things haha!

Originally Posted by cahiil55k

Congrats Hammer. That's awesome, I missed out but if the forecast looks good next Saturday I'm there. Glad to hear the rain held off until you guys were all done. For the doubters, I think Sacramento's ETs and traps are very close to other tracks. I just looked at other times posted on dragtimes and many of the cars are very close to where they should be:
http://www.dragtimes.com/Sacramento-...ackID-132.html

Originally Posted by MB_Forever

I knew you'd do it this time out..... Congrats Jack Regardless of what anyone else says, this is a great accomplishment People look at your times and think it is not possible for you to go any quicker/faster in your stock setup, but I look at your times and think there is no way you can't go any quicker/faster. If you can drop that 60' time from 1.72 to 1.64, you'll hit 11.6 and maybe even high 11.5s Unfortunately, many on here don't understand how hard it is getting decent ETs at Sacramento (thanks to Alan of course, who makes it look easy every time out ) or they would realize how amazing this accomplishment truly is. Sacramento is one of the hardest tracks to get a good launch at let alone a record run. Compared to other tracks, traction is always an issue even on good days.

It's funny how no one questioned your ETs when you were running 12.3s to 12.4s, then 12.2s to 12.3, then 12.1 to 12.2s, then 12.0 to 12.1s..... and as you got quicker and faster, the hate got bigger and more intense. Now that you have destroyed both ET and Trap records, things will get really ugly for you Some still don't understand that most of your success, as others have mentioned, comes from driver skill (very important), determination, good weather/DA, and finally lots of practice learning your car and learning to optimize each run. Those records don't come easy; one has to keep trying different combinations of lots of different things. Sometimes one will find suggestions that work but most of the times one will go through many that don't. Finding a good winning combo is indeed difficult. And there is no "magic" button or substitute for taking your car to the track and keep trying.

I had the pleasure of sharing part of your journey as I happened to be there when you ran your very first run and almost all the way till you ran your record runs. For those of you who think his car is not stock or that he bought it used with an ECU tune , I personally saw his registration paperwork dating back to when the car was first registered, not to mention... the guy keeps his hood open all the time for everyone to see and although many have examined his car over and over, some continues to instill doubt

Lastly, I know that many on here don't consider a good negative DA a big factor, but I have enough data from my car and others to show that it is. I ran my cars at five different tracks: Famoso, Sacramento, LACR (before it closed), Fontana, and Irwindale (once) and at every track event, I had a minimum of 20 runs I have timeslips of my car showing 13.1s @ 109 mph at Fontana (+3500 ft DA) to 12.1s at almost 119 mph at Sacramento in -400 ft DA. Can DA affect cars that much? Yes, it absolutely can.

Sorry for the long vent Jack, but I am just getting slightly tired of reading some of the negativity towards all the record holders around here. Some to the point that they considered to quit the board all together Those record holders inspire many of us, work very hard to attain those records, help others achieve their own personal goals, and continue to share their experiences with us.

So Jack, Alan, Ahmad, Juicee, Sal, and other record holders..... congrats on your solid record runs, and I have no doubt in my mind that you will each break those records even further
This is only the beginning guys

Originally Posted by juicee63

My Friend Jack,

We all knew you were close, it would take a better launch and some luck with the air.

Jack you are maticulous, a true enthusiast who stays with a plan and executes masterfully.

I learned a lesson from you on 12/05/2009. I continue to admire your determination and forward thinking. You are not stuck in a box and have done alot to optimize the car in stock form.

It took A LONG TIME,

BUT


YOU DID IT

Originally Posted by Hammer Down

Thx Josh, funny as it sounds but I believe I can go quicker why not

Originally Posted by skratch77

wow your close to beating my time with a stock car....there is def something wrong with my tracks speed sensor.

1.72 60' (PB) / 1.713 60ft
4.917 (PB) / 4.770
7.570 1/8 mile et. (PB) / 7.345
93.705 1/8 mile speed / 94.49
11.76 (PB & New Record) / 11.528
121.40 117.06

Originally Posted by skratch77

i was giving him props,he is almost at 11.5 and i have like 6k into my car thats all

Originally Posted by bassn_07

Out of curiosity, have you corrected your times to sea level? If you could post your times or give me the link I'm curious to see what your time correct down to. If you're racing at a track at a higher elevation than Sac that would automatically put you at a huge disadvantage. The only way to really compare cars through out the country is correcting times to sea level....IMO.

Originally Posted by skratch77

I was just going threw my time slips,that was done on aug 21.Im looking up the track and temp ect.

the track is 90ft above sea level and my DA for that run was 2008,corrected on drag times would be

11.262 119.89
11.363 118.89
11.434 118

Originally Posted by bassn_07

If corrected down to sea level your car is really a beast and the ET's aren't even close when compared to Hammer's runs . We ran in -200- -400 DA that day but with high humidity.

Originally Posted by V12Godspeed

Hammer- Congrats on your great accomplishment! That car is movin bro. What else do you need in a 4 door wagon?.

Originally Posted by skratch77

i was giving him props,he is almost at 11.5 and i have like 6k into my car thats all

Originally Posted by skratch77

i was giving him props,he is almost at 11.5 and i have like 6k into my car thats all

Originally Posted by Hammer Down

What mods do you have?

Originally Posted by vinnyz

congrats on ur new PB..... but i dont get how ur car runs the times and traps ur getting it doesn't make since to me at all . and not trying to be rude or anything like that or ruin what u have done here but just trying to get it is all .. thanks

Originally Posted by vinnyz

congrats on ur new PB..... but i dont get how ur car runs the times and traps ur getting it doesn't make since to me at all . and not trying to be rude or anything like that or ruin what u have done here but just trying to get it is all .. thanks

Originally Posted by skratch77

I honeslty think you can hit 11.5,maybe try running it with really low gas and take the spare tire out ect.
I have 180 pulley,H/E,tune,filters and an 82mmTB about to get installed.

Originally Posted by skratch77

I honeslty think you can hit 11.5,maybe try running it with really low gas and take the spare tire out ect.

I have 180 pulley,H/E,tune,filters and an 82mmTB about to get installed.

ps the date time ect was aug 21 6:22pm at new england drags