Help me decide - should I trade my GTR for a 996TT modded?
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Hey Chris, I'm sure your boys in Cleveland could get you a CGT......... then both you and your wife would be happy.
Fantasm, I agree that if you need to make the switch... go with a 997. I know that you will have to do a few mods to get it to the performance level of your GTR.
Fantasm, I agree that if you need to make the switch... go with a 997. I know that you will have to do a few mods to get it to the performance level of your GTR.
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Here are the latest auction transactions. Your conclusion should be obvious as far as this deal goes. The 1st table is for 2001 911TT,
the 2nd is for 2009 GTR
& 3rd is for 2007 911TT
Average RETAIL selling price for 2009 GTR is about 75k.
As for 911TT vs GTR: I would not be so quick to dismiss the 911TT. Subjectively there is no denying the 911 does have a certain perceived status. Not sure what your real goal is here but let’s assume your open to an even exchange (dollar for dollar). For 75K, you should be able to get (If u do your homework) a 2007 911TT (997). An amazing car indeed!
10/08/09RIVRSIDELease$30,00058,015AvgSILVER6GAYes
10/23/09MANHEIMLease$34,50056,089AvgBLACK6G6Yes
11/19/09WPALMLease$31,80042,094AvgGREY6GAYes
11/24/09MANHEIMRegular$42,00029,286AboveGray6CYMYes
11/24/09FAAOLease$31,00069,691AvgSILVER6GAYes
12/02/09BAY CITIRegular$30,80067,321AvgBLACK6GMYes
__________________________________________________ ____
12/02/09SEATTLERegular$68,0003,942AvgSILVER6GAYes
12/08/09FAAORegular$70,500129AboveBLACK6GAYes
12/10/09W PALMRegular$65,5002,318AvgBLACK6GAYes
12/14/09NASHVILLRegular$67,0002,640AvgSUPERBLK6GAYes
12/16/09WPALMRegular$66,200580AvgBLACK6GAYes
01/07/10MANHEIMRegular$64,5005,102AvgBLACK6GAYes
__________________________________________________ ____
12/08/09LOUISVLLRegular$84,5005,612AboveSilver6CYAYes
12/08/09FAAOLease$74,50029,795AvgSILVER6GT6Yes
12/08/09FAAORegular$74,00027,582AvgSILVER6GT6Yes
12/09/09ATLANTARegular$85,0003,819AboveWHITE6GAYes
12/22/09LAUD/MIARegular$83,00022,851AvgWhite6CYANo
01/12/10FAAOLease$59,30039,216BelowSILVER6GT6No
01/13/10W PALMLease$72,50033,752AvgSILVER6G6Yes
the 2nd is for 2009 GTR
& 3rd is for 2007 911TT
Average RETAIL selling price for 2009 GTR is about 75k.
As for 911TT vs GTR: I would not be so quick to dismiss the 911TT. Subjectively there is no denying the 911 does have a certain perceived status. Not sure what your real goal is here but let’s assume your open to an even exchange (dollar for dollar). For 75K, you should be able to get (If u do your homework) a 2007 911TT (997). An amazing car indeed!
10/08/09RIVRSIDELease$30,00058,015AvgSILVER6GAYes
10/23/09MANHEIMLease$34,50056,089AvgBLACK6G6Yes
11/19/09WPALMLease$31,80042,094AvgGREY6GAYes
11/24/09MANHEIMRegular$42,00029,286AboveGray6CYMYes
11/24/09FAAOLease$31,00069,691AvgSILVER6GAYes
12/02/09BAY CITIRegular$30,80067,321AvgBLACK6GMYes
__________________________________________________ ____
12/02/09SEATTLERegular$68,0003,942AvgSILVER6GAYes
12/08/09FAAORegular$70,500129AboveBLACK6GAYes
12/10/09W PALMRegular$65,5002,318AvgBLACK6GAYes
12/14/09NASHVILLRegular$67,0002,640AvgSUPERBLK6GAYes
12/16/09WPALMRegular$66,200580AvgBLACK6GAYes
01/07/10MANHEIMRegular$64,5005,102AvgBLACK6GAYes
__________________________________________________ ____
12/08/09LOUISVLLRegular$84,5005,612AboveSilver6CYAYes
12/08/09FAAOLease$74,50029,795AvgSILVER6GT6Yes
12/08/09FAAORegular$74,00027,582AvgSILVER6GT6Yes
12/09/09ATLANTARegular$85,0003,819AboveWHITE6GAYes
12/22/09LAUD/MIARegular$83,00022,851AvgWhite6CYANo
01/12/10FAAOLease$59,30039,216BelowSILVER6GT6No
01/13/10W PALMLease$72,50033,752AvgSILVER6G6Yes
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No question, that thing IMO looks a bit too "kitted", i.e cheesy, and is it me or is the front overhand EXTREMELY long, like that body-kit just pushes out too far, or at least you notice it more.
I'd keep the GTR. However, I'd choose a 997 TT, or even a super clean, Warrantied, and "rare"-ish version of a 996 Turbo over it.
I'd keep the GTR. However, I'd choose a 997 TT, or even a super clean, Warrantied, and "rare"-ish version of a 996 Turbo over it.
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Here's the 996TT I'm considering trading my GTR for (+cash):
http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/a...-new-pics.html
Here's some info on my GTR:
http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/a...awhp-sale.html
Which would you take, and why?
Since this is neither a Porsche board, nor a GTR board, I'm hoping for some good answers.
http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/a...-new-pics.html
Here's some info on my GTR:
http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/a...awhp-sale.html
Which would you take, and why?
Since this is neither a Porsche board, nor a GTR board, I'm hoping for some good answers.
I guess the only segment a 911 can outperform a GTR is speeds beyond 110mph mainly due to lower mass and taller gears, which is seldom the case on a good sinewy track.
The electronics are superior to any 911, which might be a gripe depending if you are purist. The GTR does take away some feel, because of so many electrical nannies. I mean the GTR is pretty heavy and big, in the order of 3800+ lbs, which requires some assistance translating that mass around corners
.All in all, Nissan did a wonderful job with respect to the GTR's performance, and its price point. If I were you, I would definitely keep the GTR. You are not missing much in comparison with a 911 other than the Porsche mystique and badge. I guess Nissan has to work on that front with the GTR as well.
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Spoken like a true wanna-be 
I've owned all of the cars in question and speaking as an owner, there are difinitive differences in every aspect when comparing the GTR to the 911. Let's just say that 40 years of experience refining something is NEVER a bad thing. Although the GTR is a very nice vehicle it is simply NOT in the same league. Performance all out and track speed is NOT the only thing to consider.
News flash - take off the electronic nanny on the GTR and blow/damage anything and Nissan says "NO WARRANTY". It's in the manual and they can track everything with all the computers in it. Now that's the way to stand behind your product!!
I've owned all of the cars in question and speaking as an owner, there are difinitive differences in every aspect when comparing the GTR to the 911. Let's just say that 40 years of experience refining something is NEVER a bad thing. Although the GTR is a very nice vehicle it is simply NOT in the same league. Performance all out and track speed is NOT the only thing to consider.
News flash - take off the electronic nanny on the GTR and blow/damage anything and Nissan says "NO WARRANTY". It's in the manual and they can track everything with all the computers in it. Now that's the way to stand behind your product!!
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Spoken like a true wanna-be
I've owned all of the cars in question and speaking as an owner, there are difinitive differences in every aspect when comparing the GTR to the 911. Let's just say that 40 years of experience refining something is NEVER a bad thing. Although the GTR is a very nice vehicle it is simply NOT in the same league. Performance all out and track speed is NOT the only thing to consider.
News flash - take off the electronic nanny on the GTR and blow/damage anything and Nissan says "NO WARRANTY". It's in the manual and they can track everything with all the computers in it. Now that's the way to stand behind your product!!
I've owned all of the cars in question and speaking as an owner, there are difinitive differences in every aspect when comparing the GTR to the 911. Let's just say that 40 years of experience refining something is NEVER a bad thing. Although the GTR is a very nice vehicle it is simply NOT in the same league. Performance all out and track speed is NOT the only thing to consider.
News flash - take off the electronic nanny on the GTR and blow/damage anything and Nissan says "NO WARRANTY". It's in the manual and they can track everything with all the computers in it. Now that's the way to stand behind your product!!
Anyone who trades a Brand New, Nurburgring-destroying GTR for a 9 year old, hacked up 996TT that's had god-knows-what done to it would be foolhardy to do so, as evidenced by the responses of virtually everyone in this thread. If you want to go against, the grain, that's fine.
However I strongly, powerfully suggest, you not call me names lest ye be annihilated.
Edit: I'm also sick of GTR detractors and their lowest-common-denominator attacks on the car. Every one of you drones goes after the same thing, "electronic nannies" and "their warranty sucks" chants OVER AND OVER. It's like the friggin bodysnatchers with you guys. Have you SEEN what people do to their cars? Especially the Japanese ones?? Do you know what it does to a company's bottom line when they have to blow $20k warrantying Borg-Warner transmissions because some spikey haired moron with a laptop decided he needed "More Booost and more NAWWWS"??
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ooooh. Good show of your capabilities... I’ll step it down a notch so you can play along.
The thread starter asked for opinions and presumably he might have meant people who speak from a position of knowledge (see: driving/owning one or of the models in question). Clearly you missed that but don't feel bad. I sure that your limited IQ and vocabulary won't pick up on the 'douchetool' slam that you probably are feeling as you read this 'head'.
Before you chime in from the peanut gallery (obviously your home based on the number of posts you have here), at least know what you’re talking about. Enjoy your over glorified, out of production rice burner and chime in the next time someone asks about getting a Supra. In the meantime keep the slings coming if your limited IQ can handle it but I think most here would prefer having 'post *****' kids from high jacking threads.
Back to our regular programming (the post)
The thread starter asked for opinions and presumably he might have meant people who speak from a position of knowledge (see: driving/owning one or of the models in question). Clearly you missed that but don't feel bad. I sure that your limited IQ and vocabulary won't pick up on the 'douchetool' slam that you probably are feeling as you read this 'head'.
Before you chime in from the peanut gallery (obviously your home based on the number of posts you have here), at least know what you’re talking about. Enjoy your over glorified, out of production rice burner and chime in the next time someone asks about getting a Supra. In the meantime keep the slings coming if your limited IQ can handle it but I think most here would prefer having 'post *****' kids from high jacking threads.
Back to our regular programming (the post)
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These are the little things that bring joy to my day.
Vyper, clearly reading comprehension was NOT your forte throughout those trying years you spend wrestling with those pesky "books". See the OP's post:
OH SNAP!!! Fantasm wanted opinions from people OTHER THAN THOSE WHO OWN EITHER CAR!!! Holy christ, your world must be crumbling around you. I suggest you call your nearest crisis center, but if that is not an option remember: DOWN THE ROAD, NOT ACROSS THE STREET.
You're going to have to step things WAY up, actually. We play full contact in the Thunderdome.
Actually it's pretty clear that YOU missed that (see above).
You fail. Wow. I'm just gonna let that one stand on its own. I don't really need to add anything here.
Vyper, clearly reading comprehension was NOT your forte throughout those trying years you spend wrestling with those pesky "books". See the OP's post:
Here's the 996TT I'm considering trading my GTR for (+cash):
http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/a...-new-pics.html
Here's some info on my GTR:
http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/a...awhp-sale.html
Which would you take, and why?
Since this is neither a Porsche board, nor a GTR board, I'm hoping for some good answers.
http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/a...-new-pics.html
Here's some info on my GTR:
http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/a...awhp-sale.html
Which would you take, and why?
Since this is neither a Porsche board, nor a GTR board, I'm hoping for some good answers.
Actually it's pretty clear that YOU missed that (see above).
I sure that your limited IQ and vocabulary won't pick up on the 'douchetool' slam that you probably are feeling as you read this 'head'. Before you chime in from the peanut gallery (obviously your home based on the number of posts you have here), at least know what you’re talking about. Enjoy your over glorified, out of production rice burner and chime in the next time someone asks about getting a Supra.
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"Porsche, there is no substitute" is simply an effective marketing slogan by Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG.
These cars are great cars with lots of history and racing pedigree, but they aren't without faults. While they do satisfy, they tend to get represented as the pinnacle of automobile achievement and that gets thrown around in non-Porsche car forums way too often, imho. Owners are a bit more critical, imho. Ask anybody whose had a RMS failure
And I say this as a long time P-car owner and PCA member.
Anyway, different toys for different boys. There's lots of good flavors out there.
These cars are great cars with lots of history and racing pedigree, but they aren't without faults. While they do satisfy, they tend to get represented as the pinnacle of automobile achievement and that gets thrown around in non-Porsche car forums way too often, imho. Owners are a bit more critical, imho. Ask anybody whose had a RMS failure
And I say this as a long time P-car owner and PCA member.
Anyway, different toys for different boys. There's lots of good flavors out there.
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Come back to the game when you know the rules (and get a car that is relevant to this board). Are they not playing your kind of games on the other forums or have those simply tired of you and had you banned? I'm sorry you just cannot accept that others have opinions that are more relevant than yours. When you bust out of puberty it may become clearer for you.
BTW, he asked for opinions NOT from a P-car or Nissan board... pay attention to the details youngling.
BTW, he asked for opinions NOT from a P-car or Nissan board... pay attention to the details youngling.
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"Porsche, there is no substitute" is simply an effective marketing slogan by Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG.
These cars are great cars with lots of history and racing pedigree, but they aren't without faults. While they do satisfy, they tend to get represented as the pinnacle of automobile achievement and that gets thrown around in non-Porsche car forums way too often, imho. Owners are a bit more critical, imho. Ask anybody whose had a RMS failure
And I say this as a long time P-car owner and PCA member.
Anyway, different toys for different boys. There's lots of good flavors out there.
These cars are great cars with lots of history and racing pedigree, but they aren't without faults. While they do satisfy, they tend to get represented as the pinnacle of automobile achievement and that gets thrown around in non-Porsche car forums way too often, imho. Owners are a bit more critical, imho. Ask anybody whose had a RMS failure
And I say this as a long time P-car owner and PCA member.
Anyway, different toys for different boys. There's lots of good flavors out there.
BTW, RMS failures did not happen to the 3.6L engine (turbo's)
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Come back to the game when you know the rules (and get a car that is relevant to this board). Are they not playing your kind of games on the other forums or have those simply tired of you and had you banned?
BTW, he asked for opinions NOT from a P-car or Nissan board... pay attention to the details youngling.
BTW, he asked for opinions NOT from a P-car or Nissan board... pay attention to the details youngling.
You have ZERO right to tell me my place here. I'm an established member who has contributed SIGNIFICANTLY to this forum over the past four years, helped many members in their REAL LIVES and I've been a solid supporter of this community from day one.
Edit: Now I know why you're butthurt, you have a '91 yourself and take offense to the barbs these boys have been throwing at it.
http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforum...rue-value.html
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The "attack" was in reference to one of the tools you must be familiar with (Swedish ***** pump) so you opened up the door and I walked through. Don't toss bomb's over the fence if you don't want someone to return to sender.
Peace out
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Understood and agree, from one long time PCA member and owner too! I was not implying that they were the pinnacle but expressing an opinion on the comparison of the options only. The marketing slogan served its purpose!
BTW, RMS failures did not happen to the 3.6L engine (turbo's)
BTW, RMS failures did not happen to the 3.6L engine (turbo's)
Another thing too, as we all know, the chassis dynamics aren't for everybody either. One should own the car only if it really truly suits, and not for the badge.... as with any brand.
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Thanks for all your help on forum. I am sure you have been helpful even though it does not appear that you have one of the cars this forum was intended. Does the term "lurking in the weeds" mean anything?
The "attack" was in reference to one of the tools you must be familiar with (Swedish ***** pump) so you opened up the door and I walked through. Don't toss bomb's over the fence if you don't want someone to return to sender.
Peace out
The "attack" was in reference to one of the tools you must be familiar with (Swedish ***** pump) so you opened up the door and I walked through. Don't toss bomb's over the fence if you don't want someone to return to sender.
Peace out
No, "lurking in the weeds" doesn't mean anything to me, actually. You were the first one to point out my post count, how would that be consistent with lurking? Oh wait, it wouldn't.
As for "tossing bombs", I may have thrown a grenade over one side, but you threw back a cherry bomb, and continue to do so. I've been in a few scuffles here, but I have to say at no point did a single word you've typed even come near the level of "insulting".
You brought a toothpick to a gunfight and regardless of how badly I've already perforated your horrid excuse for an argument you continue to writhe around like a toddler who can't get another bowl of lucky charms.
I figure at some point, you're just going to start throwing feces.
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Of course I know that, I was just using the RMS issue as an example that Porsche is not perfect.
Another thing too, as we all know, the chassis dynamics aren't for everybody either. One should own the car only if it really truly suits, and not for the badge.... as with any brand.
Another thing too, as we all know, the chassis dynamics aren't for everybody either. One should own the car only if it really truly suits, and not for the badge.... as with any brand.
Interesting tidbit: up until the global recession Porsche was the single most profitable car producer in the world and made almost double per vehicle than the closest competition (Nissan and Toyota). That's important because they were almost driven to extinction in the early nineties. The irony is that is was the Toyota methods that brought them back from the methods combined with the insight of the now deposed Dr. Wiedeking.
