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Old Jan 18, 2010 | 05:08 PM
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Unhappy Problem with car but Mercedes says NO!

Hey guys. I mentioned last week my car has lost a lot of power and suspected the ic pump and possibly the sc clutch pack. So, I took it to Mercedes and today they call me and say the car is absolutely perfect with no issues whatsoever according to their technician. I told them I wanted the ic pump changed and they will not even do that because they said there are no codes. So, I am now going to have to pay for all the service time and rental car services out of my pocket because they say there is nothing wrong when I know there is.

What should I do?

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Old Jan 18, 2010 | 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by mikey33
Hey guys. I mentioned last week my car has lost a lot of power and suspected the ic pump and possibly the sc clutch pack. So, I took it to Mercedes and today they call me and say the car is absolutely perfect with no issues whatsoever according to their technician. I told them I wanted the ic pump changed and they will not even do that because they said there are no codes. So, I am now going to have to pay for all the service time and rental car services out of my pocket because they say there is nothing wrong when I know there is.

What should I do?

I had the same issue with my IC pump. I have the Easy Care ext warranty. My independent shop was able to prove to the Easy Care claims adjuster that the pump was not working. The actually pulled it out of the car and showed him.

Dunno if that helps you
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Old Jan 18, 2010 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by mikey33
Hey guys. I mentioned last week my car has lost a lot of power and suspected the ic pump and possibly the sc clutch pack. So, I took it to Mercedes and today they call me and say the car is absolutely perfect with no issues whatsoever according to their technician. I told them I wanted the ic pump changed and they will not even do that because they said there are no codes. So, I am now going to have to pay for all the service time and rental car services out of my pocket because they say there is nothing wrong when I know there is.

What should I do?

If your IC pump is working intermittently then no code will show up. You have to hook your car up to a datalog tool and see where your IATs are at WOT then you will surely know if the IC pump is functioning as it should. I am pretty sure a local member with a ODBII scan tool can help you out.
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Old Jan 18, 2010 | 06:10 PM
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mb claims they checked everything and nothing warrants being replaced and they will not change anything out. I am thoroughly pissed off at them and starting to question their expertise. I told them to check the obdII and they will probably come back saying there is nothing wrong and they have to charge me more for further tests.

Any advice to convince them to replace the part or chrysler?
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Old Jan 18, 2010 | 06:11 PM
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Take it to another dealer.
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Old Jan 18, 2010 | 06:21 PM
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hi peter. If I take it to another dealer i run the risk of more fees. Is anybody here in Gilbert or the Phoenix area that can help me diagnose this? thx.
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Old Jan 18, 2010 | 07:09 PM
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if im not mistaken...isn't an IC pump <$200...if this is true you might as well take it to a trusted indy shop and have it changed
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Old Jan 18, 2010 | 07:12 PM
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if im not mistaken...isn't an IC pump <$200...if this is true you might as well take it to a trusted indy shop and have it changed
Actualy Eurocharged sell them for $170. Just do the pump yourself and quit wasting time. Most dealers are pretty ignorant to these cars.
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Old Jan 18, 2010 | 08:01 PM
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the OBDII tools is used to monitor the IATs, when you car is idling the IATs will seem normal even if the pump is not working. When you get on the throttle the IATs will climb drastically.
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Old Jan 18, 2010 | 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by emoving
Actualy Eurocharged sell them for $170. Just do the pump yourself and quit wasting time. Most dealers are pretty ignorant to these cars.
So true, not every dealer is an AMG certified service center. It's kind of tricky...
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Old Jan 18, 2010 | 08:45 PM
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thanks for the information guys. I went to Mercedes and took a drive in my car with the service manager and AMG technician and they both claim everything is working at full power and I am not sure. I better just get my car out of there and fix it myself if it needs replacing before the bill gets any larger. They did say all the ball joints on the car are worn and need to be replaced and the temperature gauge and fan in the engine so hopefully chrysler will approve these fixes so they will cover the other charges incurred and I will only have to pay the deductible. I will report back.
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Old Jan 18, 2010 | 09:00 PM
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i'm in phoenix, pm me where you went and who your service advisor is and i'll get you taken care of (with that kind of response, i'd almost be willing to bet your service advisor is scott in chandler)
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Old Jan 18, 2010 | 09:19 PM
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Hi chiro. I will pm you.

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Old Jan 18, 2010 | 09:31 PM
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My pump threw no codes, ended up replacing via my indie at my cost. Didn't want to lose to a Ford Probe
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Old Jan 18, 2010 | 10:47 PM
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Hi chiro. You are correct on the person and who has been my "advisor." I will pm you.
lol, i wish i could say i'm surprised but...well obviously i'm not. mb service has gone to hell in the valley over the past few years. i swore off chandler altogether because of their poor ethics and practices and used to exclusively visit scottsdale mb. unfortunatley they lost the best service manager mb has ever known when charles left and since then they're service has steadily gone down hill to the point where i no longer refer anyone. luckily chandler got a new service manager a little over a year ago who is much more open to his customers unlike their last so they've redeemed themselves a bit. unfortunatley when he came in and cleaned house, he forgot to get rid of that pr*ck scott (even the tech's don't like that guy!). other than him and imho, chandler is now the only option left in the valley...you just got to know who to ask for!
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Old Jan 19, 2010 | 07:23 AM
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I had the same thing happen to me and repeatedly asked the dealer to check it out and got the, "It works perfect and no codes." So I just bought the newer version of the OEM Bosch pump and had it installed by and Indy. It cost about 550.00 total to have done. There is a DIY here on how to do it if your interested.
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Old Jan 19, 2010 | 08:18 PM
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so hopefully chrysler will approve these fixes
what the hell are you talking about???
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Old Jan 19, 2010 | 08:37 PM
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what the hell are you talking about???
I'm surprised you've never heard of the Chrysler extended warranty?!?
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Old Jan 19, 2010 | 09:14 PM
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WWMIndy are you talking about the warranty? If not, I was saying hopefully they will fix the temperature fan and sensor along with the ball joints because if they do than all I have to pay is the $200 deductible. If they found no issues than I would have to pay for all the hours of work and rental car they gave me!

Guess what? Chrysler approved the fixes!

By the way, chiromikey helped me out and I talked to him and he referred me to Floored Fabrication in Mesa so I am going to check them out on the pump issue and possibly other mods in the future. Thanks again Mikey!
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Old Jan 19, 2010 | 09:39 PM
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No, got what you need to get fixed - and think it's ridiculous that they won't fix it...But I had no idea Chrysler offered a warranty for Mercedes...

Just an odd relationship - my bad!
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Old Jan 20, 2010 | 12:38 AM
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The IC Pump will not throw any codes. The internals propellers on my IC Pump completely shattered and the whole pump was making a disgruntled moan. The car drove fine and STAR noted no codes. I tracked down the moan was coming from the IC Pump and replaced it with a Johnson CM30.
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Old Jan 20, 2010 | 01:22 AM
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Was the performance drastically increased azipod?
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Old Jan 20, 2010 | 01:25 AM
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Warranty is already paying for itself huh Mikey
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Old Jan 20, 2010 | 01:35 AM
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I guess so. They are replacing all the ball joints on the car and the temperature fan and sensor in the engine I believe. I think the total with labor is around $1100. All I wanted was to have the IC pump updated to the new bosch part and possibly the newer clutch pack if there was something wrong with it, but they said no. So they instead decided to replace something that I did not want and that cost more money! Would it really be that hard for them to say hey this thing is overheating and ask chrysler to replace it? I do not think chrysler would question them over this part and it would be no issue, but instead I am going to have to pay out of my pocket now.
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Old Jan 20, 2010 | 11:00 AM
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just think of it as an upgrade or mod and get a johnson pump, these bosch pumps are always failing anyways.
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