bassn_07

MB_Forever

Hey....we're supposed to be the ones eating the popcorn waiting for you

rarfinancial

Yes springs, T retainer with the new cams I've put on order for over a year and a half for 63 cams, springs, T retainers and I've put deposits 3 times and still nothing, This time I got my depostit back.. Let us know how it goes..

PTE

RARFINANCIAL, My Guess is that it will still be awhile before you see Cams for this ( M-156) motor. I was going to step into this engine group. But , found out that the dealer ! has to set up the cam timing ( So to Speak) with the dealer DASI. It just is not as easy as the M-113 motor. The supplier that I work with , has only had maybe 5 request for cam sets , From other major euro tuners. Other than myself here in the USA. That was IT. So I asked for a price. after I got them the engine specs on what lift & Profile I thought was needed. Well retail was over $5000.00 for 4 cams . Well I did not see much of a market for 8-10 HP on top. & about 16 hp in the midrange.

This was done with the Computer aided program , and software Designed by Prof.Gordon P. Blair & Associates ( Les Calhoon ). Many Nights on the The 6th floor , Lots of coffee. at the Queen's University of Belfast , were spent by those guys. I'm glad I never asked anybody for deposits on this engine group.. I would look at cylinder head porting as a way to fill the Cylinder & combustion Chamber, Better. Just a Thought for outside the BOX, Cheers _PTEngineering

Sunir

Hi Alan...good to hear that the cams are in...how's she running? any feedback on how the cams are working out for you? Keep up the good work bro

We'll talk soon...gotta catch up sometime!

MB_Forever

Indeed very expensive.... that's probably even more expensive than the stock cams So is the project now dead? No more cams planned for the 63?

rarfinancial

Great info, Thanks. I've done a lot of research on cams for the M-156 many there are a few out there that claim to have them but I have yet to see any one running them.. Don't want to hig Jack the tread. I may start up a new threat on this. It's a great topic,, Let us know Allan when you take your beast for the first time with the cams.. Man is not like the old school days when all us Modoholics just went to kragens bought our cams installed them in our garages and went out the same night.. LOL

bassn_07

on my way!

BenzoBoi

Good luck to you and the rest of the guys rollin!!! Smash some records!

MB_Forever

Hey, weren't you supposed to leave at 7:00 am?

Sunir

Dang Alan even the tow rig has bling wheelzzzz! haha ...dats how dem cali boyz be rollin haha lol

Jakpro1

Chanting up here

"Al---an! Allll--an!!!"

Take it to um guys!!

Be safe!

MB_Forever

This is actually history in the making here guys.....

ShangoAshe

lol can't wait to see whatyou and Nick will put down!

Hammer Down

I predict that Alan will beat me by atleast 1 second and atleast 13mph.

I plan on running 11.6x@122 my car is in the shop getting the engine,trans and rear diff oils changed and the TCU reset!

Jakpro1

What's the weather look like for them Hammer? Cool enough for 10s?

Pretty cool up here, hoping for the same for them down there.

Edit....forgot you were heading up too. Sorry bout that

E55AMGGG04

GOOD LUCK DUED. Can't wait to see this.

Hammer Down

It should be mid 60's to possible low 70's

Thx bro, I'm sure there will be a write up of some sort late Friday night!

bassn_07

Well guys here are my finding so far with the new cams installed. My biggest worries were drive ability issues and it's flawless. It does have a very slight lope to it but what would upgraded cams be without the lope. At first I was trying to pick apart the cams and look for every little flaw but after a few days of driving I love it. I gave both Sneakyneon and MB_forever a ride in my car and they both thought the same....very pleased.

As for performance, as I stated in another post it has this amazing pull throughout the RPM range that I have never felt before. I'm usually not a believer in SOP feeling but I must say there is something different going on. Once again MB_forever and Sneakyneon could comment on the way my car pulls. Sneakyneon actually commented on my car and how strong it pulls and he also mentioned that it does feel like a 10 second car. I hold his thoughts and comments in high regards and coming from him that meant a lot.

At the track I didn't break any of my PB's but there are many other factors involved. It was very hard for me to get a fair comparison with the prep we had that day because my 60' times fell way short. Even though unfavorable track conditions were present my car still performed well and there's no doubt I'll be much quicker. I still have some fine tuning to do to my AFR's because I was running about .5 rich through most of the RPM range. As most know that .5 will equal a lot of power under the curve throughout 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gear. At this point since I'm done with all my major mods my car will now be tuned on track using my logging system. This alone will help tremendously. My timing curve was fricken unbelievable and I've never seeing such a repeatable smooth curve on my car before...amazing. Either way I'll have to say the cams will give me at least .15 when all is said and done, at least. At my level this would be considered quite substantial.

On the dyno....

It was long day on the dyno but gains were still obtained. Sneakneon took the first run on the dyno and after several long hours in a warming shop he still produced outsanding number, I'll let him chime in and post if he wishes.

I'll start off with the conditions versus the last time. The last time we dynode the shop was considerably cooler than this time. My car was sitting out in the sun most of the day with temps somewhere in the mid to high 80's. I know, I know why all the mumble jumble about the conditions prior to the tune. I just want everyone to know the conditions before and after the cam install to let everyone develop their own opinions. Anyways back to the comparison. As some of you know I've been fighting my IAT's ever since changing to the Meziere pump and 185 pulley. The condition was still present after I switched back to the CM30's BUT I've come to find that my front pump is failing. At first it started off as a slight whining noise that I really didn't pay much attention to due to the fact our cars make so many different sounds but it progressed into a loud whining noise with different tones. It will soon be replaced by my Meziere pump.

For the numbers...

My initial pull after icing down the reservoir due to the 135 degree IAT's before even starting the pull was 509 rwhp. My dyno pull before this was 503 and I was very happy to see gains right off the back. After several pulls and high IAT's we managed 514 rwhp and gained between 12-18 rwhp under the curve in certain areas. Please not I'm also running out of fuel after the 5000 RPM mark. Here's the weird part, at the track I seemed to me much richer but with the same upward lean condition. I was right around 12.00 at redline with some parts of my fuel curve dipping into the high 10's. I'm not sure why it was off but either way it will get resolved and I'll go faster and quicker. On another note I was actually happy to see these conditions after the fact because I was still faster even running slightly rich.

Okay guys if you have any specific questions please feel free to ask because I don't feel like typing any further.....

Sunir

Thanks Alan...nice write up! looks like PTE cams ftw! Did you notice anything measurable in terms of gains from the 185mm pulley kit versus the 180mm kit you had on there before?

Luke_M

I'm interested in Sunir's question as well. Is the 185 the way to go or is the 180 still the deal?

chiromikey

185 shows minimal gains on dyno, 10-15 hp/tq over 180. what it's worth in the real world has yet to be proven.

bassn_07

Thanks Sunir!

As Chiro stated the real world gains are yet to be proven but IMO you can't go wrong with the 180. I'm not yet convinced that the 185 has really given me all that much power and my IAT's were never a issue like it is now. Whether or not it's due to failing pumps or insufficient flow I find it weird that I never had problems before but all of a sudden I do. Is it a coincidence, not sure I'll let you guys decide. I would have no problems switching out my pulley if this continues to be an issue, no problem at all. I'll keep you guys posted.

Sunir

Sounds good...keep me posted for sure ...I'm interested to know how it performs - including gains versus any negative side effects. Cooling should not be a problem; I don't see how going from 180 to 185 just 5mm would make cooling an issue since the change is fairly small I'd figure that if someone had cooling issues w/ the 180 they would have cooling issues with the 185, conversely if they were fine with the 180 then they'd be fine with the 185 dunno just seems like a small step up in size to create problems..

bassn_07

I didn't think 5mm would make a diiference in but until I get my pumps working correctly the issue still stands. I'll be changing out my front pump soon and se if that remedies the problems and post back.