m3 smg vs e63 7 speed
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m3 smg vs e63 7 speed
Just sold my wifes 05 m3....ultimately the reason was the tranny...she hated the fact the car rolled back in neutral on hills and shifted in such a non-auto manner....i'm looking at maybe the e63 as a replacement car, but I haven't driven one and am curious if the characteristics of the 2 transmissions are similar, feedback is appreciated!
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Just sold my wifes 05 m3....ultimately the reason was the tranny...she hated the fact the car rolled back in neutral on hills and shifted in such a non-auto manner....i'm looking at maybe the e63 as a replacement car, but I haven't driven one and am curious if the characteristics of the 2 transmissions are similar, feedback is appreciated!
In terms of the car's characteristics, the E63 is an awesome daily driver. It offers an excellent mix of sporty/luxury combo that is very addictive.
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I was not a big fan of the SMG II in my E46 M3- the SMG III in my M6 was an improvement.
And as Mo mentioned, worlds apart- what are you looking for? Speed of shifts, less DT loss, more spirited driving? Then you will miss the SMG.
You want comfort with no jerking or roll back as you mentioned and a linear response- the 7 speed is your choice.
Id take the 7 speed over the SMG but not over the DCT that is in the current M3, GTR, and few others.
And as Mo mentioned, worlds apart- what are you looking for? Speed of shifts, less DT loss, more spirited driving? Then you will miss the SMG.
You want comfort with no jerking or roll back as you mentioned and a linear response- the 7 speed is your choice.
Id take the 7 speed over the SMG but not over the DCT that is in the current M3, GTR, and few others.
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Just sold my wifes 05 m3....ultimately the reason was the tranny...she hated the fact the car rolled back in neutral on hills and shifted in such a non-auto manner....i'm looking at maybe the e63 as a replacement car, but I haven't driven one and am curious if the characteristics of the 2 transmissions are similar, feedback is appreciated!
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I was not a big fan of the SMG II in my E46 M3- the SMG III in my M6 was an improvement.
And as Mo mentioned, worlds apart- what are you looking for? Speed of shifts, less DT loss, more spirited driving? Then you will miss the SMG.
You want comfort with no jerking or roll back as you mentioned and a linear response- the 7 speed is your choice.
Id take the 7 speed over the SMG but not over the DCT that is in the current M3, GTR, and few others.
And as Mo mentioned, worlds apart- what are you looking for? Speed of shifts, less DT loss, more spirited driving? Then you will miss the SMG.
You want comfort with no jerking or roll back as you mentioned and a linear response- the 7 speed is your choice.
Id take the 7 speed over the SMG but not over the DCT that is in the current M3, GTR, and few others.
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I'm looking for a smooth grandfather type transmission for puttering around the city with the wife, but alone with the pedal on the floor i'd like to see shifting closer to the m3...but we sold the m3 because of the roll back and hard shifts in normal city driving, got annoying..
I was not a big fan of the SMG II in my E46 M3- the SMG III in my M6 was an improvement.
And as Mo mentioned, worlds apart- what are you looking for? Speed of shifts, less DT loss, more spirited driving? Then you will miss the SMG.
You want comfort with no jerking or roll back as you mentioned and a linear response- the 7 speed is your choice.
Id take the 7 speed over the SMG but not over the DCT that is in the current M3, GTR, and few others.
And as Mo mentioned, worlds apart- what are you looking for? Speed of shifts, less DT loss, more spirited driving? Then you will miss the SMG.
You want comfort with no jerking or roll back as you mentioned and a linear response- the 7 speed is your choice.
Id take the 7 speed over the SMG but not over the DCT that is in the current M3, GTR, and few others.
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I'm looking for a smooth grandfather type transmission for puttering around the city with the wife, but alone with the pedal on the floor i'd like to see shifting closer to the m3...but we sold the m3 because of the roll back and hard shifts in normal city driving, got annoying..
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I'm looking for a smooth grandfather type transmission for puttering around the city with the wife, but alone with the pedal on the floor i'd like to see shifting closer to the m3...but we sold the m3 because of the roll back and hard shifts in normal city driving, got annoying..
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The shifting of an 07 E63 will not even come close to the speed of shifts on the M3 whether during WOT or regular city driving. You'll still enjoy the car and have a lot of fun with it, but just don't think it'll come close (in terms of shifting) to the M3. I have an 07 E63 and I wish the shifts were as fast as SMG II/III (which I believe are 80 ms).
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Yeah, the E63 in C mode is super smooth and buttery...It's marginally more sporty in S and M mode, but like everyone said, no where near the SMG or MCT or DCT trannies...Minus the shift speed my one complaint would be the 1-2 shift in M or S mode...It's really hard, but not really fast...
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When you all talk about shifting speed or shifting time are you talking about the amount of time from when you click the down shift button until the time the car actually downshifts? Because as far as upshifts go it just clicks off gears like no tomorrow in my opinion. Just look at a video of an E55 accelerating and between 1st and 2nd there is no delay in the speedo moving forward. Automatics do have their advantages.
I am looking for the information now but I seem to remember that in M mode the tranny upshifts in 150ms in the E55. I would imagine the '07 E63 would be as quick if not quicker. I could be wrong though.
I am looking for the information now but I seem to remember that in M mode the tranny upshifts in 150ms in the E55. I would imagine the '07 E63 would be as quick if not quicker. I could be wrong though.
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When you all talk about shifting speed or shifting time are you talking about the amount of time from when you click the down shift button until the time the car actually downshifts? Because as far as upshifts go it just clicks off gears like no tomorrow in my opinion. Just look at a video of an E55 accelerating and between 1st and 2nd there is no delay in the speedo moving forward. Automatics do have their advantages.
I am looking for the information now but I seem to remember that in M mode the tranny upshifts in 150ms in the E55. I would imagine the '07 E63 would be as quick if not quicker. I could be wrong though.
I am looking for the information now but I seem to remember that in M mode the tranny upshifts in 150ms in the E55. I would imagine the '07 E63 would be as quick if not quicker. I could be wrong though.
It is all relative though I guess...Neither the 55 or 63 have awful trannies at all, just wish they'd go up and down a bit quicker...
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When you all talk about shifting speed or shifting time are you talking about the amount of time from when you click the down shift button until the time the car actually downshifts? Because as far as upshifts go it just clicks off gears like no tomorrow in my opinion. Just look at a video of an E55 accelerating and between 1st and 2nd there is no delay in the speedo moving forward. Automatics do have their advantages.
I am looking for the information now but I seem to remember that in M mode the tranny upshifts in 150ms in the E55. I would imagine the '07 E63 would be as quick if not quicker. I could be wrong though.
I am looking for the information now but I seem to remember that in M mode the tranny upshifts in 150ms in the E55. I would imagine the '07 E63 would be as quick if not quicker. I could be wrong though.
And you wont see speedo loss in AMG shifts cause of the power of the car but there is a difference in shift speeds that, at higher speeds, would allow other cars to pull...
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When you all talk about shifting speed or shifting time are you talking about the amount of time from when you click the down shift button until the time the car actually downshifts? Because as far as upshifts go it just clicks off gears like no tomorrow in my opinion. Just look at a video of an E55 accelerating and between 1st and 2nd there is no delay in the speedo moving forward. Automatics do have their advantages.
I am looking for the information now but I seem to remember that in M mode the tranny upshifts in 150ms in the E55. I would imagine the '07 E63 would be as quick if not quicker. I could be wrong though.
I am looking for the information now but I seem to remember that in M mode the tranny upshifts in 150ms in the E55. I would imagine the '07 E63 would be as quick if not quicker. I could be wrong though.
If you compare that with SMGII, which shifts at an impressive 80 ms and is 5-year old technology, you'll see what I mean. I don't even know how fast the new DCT shifts, but from what I've seen on the track, I would guess at least 40 ms or better
So, yeah.... there is no comparison in shift speed. I wish our 7G tranny could shift half as fast as SMGII 
By the way, reliability is a different story all together.
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If you compare that with SMGII, which shifts at an impressive 80 ms and is 5-year old technology, you'll see what I mean. I don't even know how fast the new DCT shifts, but from what I've seen on the track, I would guess at least 40 ms or better So, yeah.... there is no comparison in shift speed. I wish our 7G tranny could shift half as fast as SMGII
By the way, reliability is a different story all together.
So, yeah.... there is no comparison in shift speed. I wish our 7G tranny could shift half as fast as SMGII By the way, reliability is a different story all together.
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me too . my car was always throwing codes with the k& n's . Since we did the mods and installed the filters that come with the carbonio never a problem .
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this is exactly what I wanted to hear? how about roll back on hills? does the e63 roll back like the m3?
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And...to further prevent roll-back...in "C" mode, the AMG actually applies the brakes unbeknownst to the driver. Absolutely NO roll back.
With my driveway (about 25 degree slope) it's actually pretty nice.
With my driveway (about 25 degree slope) it's actually pretty nice.
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Mine will roll slightly waiting for the gate out of my parking garage, but only in C...Not like crazy either just a slight roll...I think it's just while the TC decides how hard to lock up to launch smooth in 2nd...
