Drag Day at Fontana, CA - tomorrow!
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So you didn't test fit the wheels before going to the track and then decided to get an alignment instead of going to the track because it was off by about half a degree? I must be crazy then because I would have gone to the track and ran. But people that know me know I'm crazy anyway 
Who told you a 170 crank pulley and 65mm sc pulley would make 18-20PSI on your setup? I will tell you now that you wont see the boost you are expecting. Again, good luck but I dont expect seeing good times any time soon
Who told you a 170 crank pulley and 65mm sc pulley would make 18-20PSI on your setup? I will tell you now that you wont see the boost you are expecting. Again, good luck but I dont expect seeing good times any time soon
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So you didn't test fit the wheels before going to the track and then decided to get an alignment instead of going to the track because it was off by about half a degree? I must be crazy then because I would have gone to the track and ran. But people that know me know I'm crazy anyway
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Guys lets not be too hard on him.... he's been through too much with his car. At least this time he actually attempted to go. I just wish he had thought of doing the alignment a day or two before the event.
Robert, if you're interested, there is a Famoso TNT this Friday night. They will run from 7 at night to midnight. Gates open at 6:00 pm I believe.
Famoso is a good track with decent traction, and it should only be 1.5 hours away from you
Robert, if you're interested, there is a Famoso TNT this Friday night. They will run from 7 at night to midnight. Gates open at 6:00 pm I believe.
Famoso is a good track with decent traction, and it should only be 1.5 hours away from you
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Sat morning I went to discount tire to get my drag wheels/tires mounted and to my dissapointment, the wheels won't clear my Brembos.
Instead I had them check the alignment and found out it was completely off. Vadim never did the alignment after installing the camber, caster and toe arms! The fronts were -.45 and +.68 while the rears were both toed outwards causing my Conti's inner tread to completely wear out after only a few thousand miles.
So instead of going to the track, I ended up getting an alignment for smokin deal of only $89. The car now steers completely straight even if I let my hands off the wheel for for 30 seconds while cruising at 40mph.
It was way too hot anyway! I'm bringing my car to Renntech/DynoComp for the tune with both modified pullies this month and should at Sac for the Wed night drags at least twice in June or July. It's cooler at night and Sac has better DA and trap speeds.
Instead I had them check the alignment and found out it was completely off. Vadim never did the alignment after installing the camber, caster and toe arms! The fronts were -.45 and +.68 while the rears were both toed outwards causing my Conti's inner tread to completely wear out after only a few thousand miles.
So instead of going to the track, I ended up getting an alignment for smokin deal of only $89. The car now steers completely straight even if I let my hands off the wheel for for 30 seconds while cruising at 40mph.
It was way too hot anyway! I'm bringing my car to Renntech/DynoComp for the tune with both modified pullies this month and should at Sac for the Wed night drags at least twice in June or July. It's cooler at night and Sac has better DA and trap speeds.
Fontana is really too hot during this time of the year and probably not the ideal place to test out your car anyways. Get your car situated and make time to make it to Sacto and we'll have some fun.
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How much do you guys wanna bet $ that he didn't even get the MT's mounted
Robert, you were supposed to be running 10.50's by 4th quarter of 2009
Then high 9.xx's Jan/Feb of this year?? WTF& who the phuc told/taught you this is how you chk for proper alignment
I'm thinking you're an autodidact
Sat morning I went to discount tire to get my drag wheels/tires mounted and to my dissapointment, the wheels won't clear my Brembos.
Instead I had them check the alignment and found out it was completely off. Vadim never did the alignment after installing the camber, caster and toe arms! The fronts were -.45 and +.68 while the rears were both toed outwards causing my Conti's inner tread to completely wear out after only a few thousand miles.
So instead of going to the track, I ended up getting an alignment for smokin deal of only $89. The car now steers completely straight even if I let my hands off the wheel for for 30 seconds while cruising at 40mph.
It was way too hot anyway! I'm bringing my car to Renntech/DynoComp for the tune with both modified pullies this month and should at Sac for the Wed night drags at least twice in June or July. It's cooler at night and Sac has better DA and trap speeds.
Instead I had them check the alignment and found out it was completely off. Vadim never did the alignment after installing the camber, caster and toe arms! The fronts were -.45 and +.68 while the rears were both toed outwards causing my Conti's inner tread to completely wear out after only a few thousand miles.
So instead of going to the track, I ended up getting an alignment for smokin deal of only $89. The car now steers completely straight even if I let my hands off the wheel for for 30 seconds while cruising at 40mph.
It was way too hot anyway! I'm bringing my car to Renntech/DynoComp for the tune with both modified pullies this month and should at Sac for the Wed night drags at least twice in June or July. It's cooler at night and Sac has better DA and trap speeds.
The alignment alone w/out NEW tires wouldn't fix your problem as described, w/proper angles set your old worn tires wouldn't make full contact w/ANY road surface...
The tires should all be in good shape with even wear patterns. If you have a tire with excessive camber wear, for instance, and you correct the alignment problem that caused that wear, the tire will now be making only partial contact with the road.
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It"s Fontana Time man. Let me know when u r going again. it's all about the sport not the times.. I'm in at Fontana next run. Let us know . it's race time not track time.. side by side 
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Man, I hate running in that kind of heat but if I'm in town and you commit to going I don't see how I could resist. We both have some new mods since we last met and I've gained a little more experience on the tree, I'll need it against your lightning quick RT's. I look forward to playing with ya again Rick as it will be a blast like always.
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Guys lets not be too hard on him.... he's been through too much with his car. At least this time he actually attempted to go. I just wish he had thought of doing the alignment a day or two before the event.
Robert, if you're interested, there is a Famoso TNT this Friday night. They will run from 7 at night to midnight. Gates open at 6:00 pm I believe.
Famoso is a good track with decent traction, and it should only be 1.5 hours away from you
Robert, if you're interested, there is a Famoso TNT this Friday night. They will run from 7 at night to midnight. Gates open at 6:00 pm I believe.
Famoso is a good track with decent traction, and it should only be 1.5 hours away from you
Finally, with only 6psi, I doubt my times are going to be that impressive. With a 170crank and 65mm sc pulley, I manage to get to 12-14psi max. So I'm having a 185mm+ a 60mm sc pulley with (extreme wrap tensioner) to get closer to 18-20psi.
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Man, I hate running in that kind of heat but if I'm in town and you commit to going I don't see how I could resist. We both have some new mods since we last met and I've gained a little more experience on the tree, I'll need it against your lightning quick RT's. I look forward to playing with ya again Rick as it will be a blast like always.
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Man, I hate running in that kind of heat but if I'm in town and you commit to going I don't see how I could resist. We both have some new mods since we last met and I've gained a little more experience on the tree, I'll need it against your lightning quick RT's. I look forward to playing with ya again Rick as it will be a blast like always.
Ya man It;s like a new car for me I have to learn the car again. New tune, New Long tubes, new air box and just installed the Kleeman TB's yesterday all that along with the new Dry shot nitrous man It's never been down the 1/4 yet. I'll be learning from scratch but I think this will be a good setup for me once I get it down. Ya we'll have a blast That last Fontana day was deadly hot but fun..
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It can't be any hotter than the last time Ya man It;s like a new car for me I have to learn the car again. New tune, New Long tubes, new air box and just installed the Kleeman TB's yesterday all that along with the new Dry shot nitrous man It's never been down the 1/4 yet. I'll be learning from scratch but I think this will be a good setup for me once I get it down. Ya we'll have a blast That last Fontana day was deadly hot but fun..
Ya man It;s like a new car for me I have to learn the car again. New tune, New Long tubes, new air box and just installed the Kleeman TB's yesterday all that along with the new Dry shot nitrous man It's never been down the 1/4 yet. I'll be learning from scratch but I think this will be a good setup for me once I get it down. Ya we'll have a blast That last Fontana day was deadly hot but fun..
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The dry shot is a much cleaner setup. Once I saw the how high the fuel presser gets on these 63's I figured if the ECU can adjust fast enough it might be worth a try. Well to my surprize the ECU reacts so fast it's amazing. The A/F dials in perfectly, so much easier that a wet shot. I run a two nozzles one one each side of the air box. I also use a conroller so I ramp it up 25% 45% 75% the 100% the whole trick and my secret is the placement od the jets the rpm and shift point in regards to the spray time and percentage. Now I think this is probabley a new way of doing this on this moter but after many many dynos runs just for a/f's we have found a winner her. With or with out the Nitrous the ecu A/Fs are the same, the dyno charts are excactly the same as for the lines just alot higher. it was quite amazing to see and quite the suprize.. Now It's test time at the track. Not sure how the nitrous will react to the new TB's but if the ecu sences more air and feeds in more fuel the I will up the jet size by .002
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Very cool. I never had any controller other than a push button. My assumption is you can ramp it up in order to have it controllable in 1st/2nd gears? (I can't really use mine till 3rd gear because of traction problems). Or do you ramp it up gradually to protect the transmission also? My trans definitely doesn't seem to like the torque if I keep the nitrous on during the shifts.
You almost crashed the 1st time @ 40-45 mph vs Drew, def 1-2 nd gear, it's kool you have a fast Nitrous setup but no way in hell are you ONLY spraying once @ 3rd gear
try 2-3 times minimum...
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Are you trying to say you didn't/don't spray except once in higher 3rd gear? lol... I 1st hand watched you break loose all over the road while trying to run Drew/myself 110% in 2nd gear thn again in 3rd... (On Drag radials, no way that would happen w/out nitrous in that low tq 335)
You almost crashed the 1st time @ 40-45 mph vs Drew, def 1-2 nd gear, it's kool you have a fast Nitrous setup but no way in hell are you ONLY spraying once @ 3rd gear try 2-3 times minimum...
You almost crashed the 1st time @ 40-45 mph vs Drew, def 1-2 nd gear, it's kool you have a fast Nitrous setup but no way in hell are you ONLY spraying once @ 3rd gear
try 2-3 times minimum...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2cfE...eature=related
Now if I had a progressive system, I believe I could have it come on in lower gears with a lower controlled amount of nitrous. So many variables to play with, LOL.
I will tell you even without nitrous, I was racing a new 5.0 the other weekend, got totally sideways in the sedan when the tires started spinning going across the intersection. Headed straight for the curb and barely pulled out of it. Forgot I had the DSC turned off!
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The dry shot is a much cleaner setup. Once I saw the how high the fuel presser gets on these 63's I figured if the ECU can adjust fast enough it might be worth a try. Well to my surprize the ECU reacts so fast it's amazing. The A/F dials in perfectly, so much easier that a wet shot. I run a two nozzles one one each side of the air box. I also use a conroller so I ramp it up 25% 45% 75% the 100% the whole trick and my secret is the placement od the jets the rpm and shift point in regards to the spray time and percentage. Now I think this is probabley a new way of doing this on this motor but after many many dynos runs just for a/f's we have found a winner here. With or with out the Nitrous the ecu A/Fs are the same, the dyno charts are excactly the same as for the lines just a lot higher. it was quite amazing to see and quite the suprize.. Now It's test time at the track. Not sure how the nitrous will react to the new TB's but if the ecu sences more air and feeds in more fuel the I will up the jet size by .002
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Be careful Rick, remember last time we were out you didn't know if you were spraying or not??? If what Ahmad says is true you should be very careful.
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It is true. Dry shot relies on the MAF to add fuel for the nitrous. When the MAF goes bad your motor will get nitrous but no extra fuel. Thats why you see most setups are "wet" setups so you add fuel and nitrous. This also allows you to go to bigger shots safely. You also have to worry about maxing out your injectors with a dry shot since you are adding fuel through your injectors in a dry shot. If you dont have enough head room you will go lean and melt stuff. This is why I recommend people do their research before throwing money at cars. We are talking about high dollar engines/parts. Don't take my word for it, just do some research
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I don't bother spraying in 1st-2nd gears. When I was lining up with Drew, definitely 3rd gear around 60mph. Traction is hit or miss. You can see from my 60-130 video where the rpms are right at 60mph in 3rd gear, and the car still accelerates pretty strong. 3.3 seconds from 60-100mph.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2cfE...eature=related
Now if I had a progressive system, I believe I could have it come on in lower gears with a lower controlled amount of nitrous. So many variables to play with, LOL.
I will tell you even without nitrous, I was racing a new 5.0 the other weekend, got totally sideways in the sedan when the tires started spinning going across the intersection. Headed straight for the curb and barely pulled out of it. Forgot I had the DSC turned off!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2cfE...eature=related
Now if I had a progressive system, I believe I could have it come on in lower gears with a lower controlled amount of nitrous. So many variables to play with, LOL.
I will tell you even without nitrous, I was racing a new 5.0 the other weekend, got totally sideways in the sedan when the tires started spinning going across the intersection. Headed straight for the curb and barely pulled out of it. Forgot I had the DSC turned off!
. I have no manual but I'm sure I could get one fairly easy if wanted. Either way the track numbers speak much bigger volumes on overall performance over anything else. It takes all the variables out of the equation if ran on the same day same track. It seems that most runs done with the 60-130 runs have a +/- 3% grade and that could be huge in the overall time. Like I said Warren lets get out to the track and finally line up. It would be blast to see how the fastest 335 vs the fastest E55 in Cali ends up. I just love running fast cars and it always makes it interesting.
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It is true. Dry shot relies on the MAF to add fuel for the nitrous. When the MAF goes bad your motor will get nitrous but no extra fuel. Thats why you see most setups are "wet" setups so you add fuel and nitrous. This also allows you to go to bigger shots safely. You also have to worry about maxing out your injectors with a dry shot since you are adding fuel through your injectors in a dry shot. If you dont have enough head room you will go lean and melt stuff. This is why I recommend people do their research before throwing money at cars. We are talking about high dollar engines/parts. Don't take my word for it, just do some research
LOL...maybe next year I'll add a wet shot in just for *****s and giggles.
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Btw, the best setup would be direct port but as long as you don't go too big of a shot a wet setup should be fine
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Any plans on coming up to Sac soon? I keep on telling ya let me know when you head up so we could line them up. It would be blast to see how much you gain on me on the 2nd half. Maybe you could even show me how to get Mo's Vbox setup correctly because the 2 times I used it my runs weren't saved.... I have no manual but I'm sure I could get one fairly easy if wanted. Either way the track numbers speak much bigger volumes on overall performance over anything else. It takes all the variables out of the equation if ran on the same day same track. It seems that most runs done with the 60-130 runs have a +/- 3% grade and that could be huge in the overall time.
Like I said Warren lets get out to the track and finally line up. It would be blast to see how the fastest 335 vs the fastest E55 in Cali ends up. I just love running fast cars and it always makes it interesting.
. I have no manual but I'm sure I could get one fairly easy if wanted. Either way the track numbers speak much bigger volumes on overall performance over anything else. It takes all the variables out of the equation if ran on the same day same track. It seems that most runs done with the 60-130 runs have a +/- 3% grade and that could be huge in the overall time. Like I said Warren lets get out to the track and finally line up. It would be blast to see how the fastest 335 vs the fastest E55 in Cali ends up. I just love running fast cars and it always makes it interesting.
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