0700700

I know this is slighly OT but i just had to share this with you guys. Auto BILD Sportcars (quite renowed in our part of the world) has done a review of the new S63 with the performance package option (571ps and 900nm of torque for us europeans ) and the figures are shockingly good.


Here is a link to the report from the magazine, but unfortunately most of the test date (such as 0-200km/h, stopping distances, etc) can only be found in the printed magazine. Nevertheless here is something exciting for you

http://www.autobild.de/artikel/merce...0_1135345.html

0-200km/h (0-124mph)

2010 SL65 BLACK: 10.86
2011 S63PP: 13.3
2010 S65: 13.4
2010 C63PP: 13.8
2009 C63: 14.5
2008 CLS63: 15.0
2006 CLS55: 15.2
2010 S63: 16.3

OMG... once this engine finds its way in lighter CARS

0700700

oh BTW here is some food for thought.

2011 S63 571ps and 2120kg so thats = 270ps per tonne
2010 S65 612ps and 2275kg so thats = 269ps per tonne

Couple that with the 7 speed MCT gearbox and something tells me
that extra 100000$ for the S65 (at least here) is really not that well spent

rondocap

I think they will have to do something with the S65 in the near future in order to keep it competitive with the S63, since the new engine really brings the performance much closer now, and the price difference can't be justified as much.

But when they put this engine in the lighter cars, oh my! Pretty amazing how those numbers above show the new S63 being faster than all of those previous AMG's that used to be faster than it 0-124mph..so I can only imagine what gains will be made in the smaller cars.

blackbenzz

Wow that's a huge improvement!

clkwork

oh my!

Jakpro1

My sig says it all.

TMC M5

Is this AMG's way of saying:

Now witness the firepower of this fully ARMED and OPERATIONAL 3-pointed Death Star!

Tom

absent

Here in US the difference (S63 Designo interior and paint,loaded) is down to less then $40k.
2011 S65 has 620hp (272hp per tonne).
The S63 will always handle better then V12 though and with it's superior transmission swayed me to order one.

Jakpro1

0700700

absolutely... only thing that worries me a bit is how will the 7g MCT transmission cope with all that torque. I mean it took them forever to bring out a 7 speed for the big engines so it probably should be ok, and besides the MCT transmission has no conventional torque converter and maybe jurkier around town, not what you would want in your S-class Limo,right?

Still i wouldnt want to be a guinea pig for the new engine/tranny combo. Maybe next year with the new cls.

absent

I'm sure it is tested and retested to death,MB can not afford to deal with a new wave of quality criticism like they had a few years back,especially not in their biggest $$ maker (per car) which the S-Class is.
As far as smoothness of the MCT I am a bit concerned,I don't like it in my current "daily" Sl63 and I hope they do something about it in S63.

TopGun32

let's drop 700lbsl from that S63 and use the E platform or CLS.. and looks like an AMG missile in the making.

Anybody know the CTS-v 0-200 or the M5?

mikey33

What you guys think the 1/4 mile will be in the lighter E Class?

+1 Also on the v12biturbo. They need to either lower the price or the 65's or release a more explosive motor to justify the price difference with the new v8biturbo.

RonnieRenaldi

Awesome number

TMC M5

The E60 M5 has been tested from anywhere from 13.5s to 14.3s by its adoring German magazines. A manual CTS-V has run 14.2 and 14.4s.

Tom

Max.H

Mid to high 11s on street tires. For the S65, I'm thinking somewhere in the neighborhood of 700hp should do the trick.

MB_Forever

Actually they already ARE doing something to the S65: they are dropping it altogether. The engine is being slowly phased out. They already stopped it in the SL line-up as they announced the 2011 model year SL65 will be the last 65 in that class, which means no SL65 for 2012. I'm guessing the CL65 and S65 will soon follow.

mthis

no more v12 for AMG you rite but i did hear something about a 6.2L TT to replace the v12 65'S

absent

I hope they don't price that 6.2 as high as the V12,a V8 just does not have the same cachet.
Btw,S65 and CL65 are still available to order for 2011,with power upgrade to 620hp.

MB_Forever

Sorry to disappoint..... that was my dream as well. However, I heard that the 6.2 twin turbo was only the initial plan and that it has since been replaced (at least) a few times It'd be super cool, however, to see a 6.2 twin turbo.

MB_Forever

Price may not be much of an issue for AMGs after depreciation.... all you'd have to do is wait 1 to 2 years and pick up a nice one for 40% off MSRP A great example are the 65 models: some of the current S65s are actually selling for under $90k (original MSRP was $200k). And the older generation S65 are down to high $30ks. I bet after 1 to 2 years, a nicely equipped $100k E63 twin turbo will be down to the $60k range, and a couple of years after that they'll hit the $40k range, and so forth

0700700

could that be an American thing only? SL65 will continue to be sold after 2011 in my market (eastern Europe)

rondocap

I hope that they have some type of nice upgrade or replacement for the 65 line..I always liked those, even if the 55 or 63's produced more realistic and attainable performance both price, and traction wise - it's kind of nice to have something huge and exotic like the twin-turbo V12 engines around, so I hope they do something with it!