blackbenzz

Have you watched the youtube videos under RenntechTV?

Coalman

We all know false advertizing occurs all the time when it comes to magazine road tests of new models. I recall the first road test by Car and Driver of a C63 that ran 12.3 at 116MPH. Clearly this car had been tuned to the full potential of the AMG 63 engine and was not "stock".

What we are talking about here is not only illegal but also exposes the tuner to tremendous liability. If the unauthorized mods result in a serious accident, the tuner would be subject to substantail civil penalties and even criminal charges.

It's hard to believe any tuner would be that stupid.

BerBer63

Bad example, there are faster times on dragtimes.com of stock vehicles.

Benz-O-Rama

Me thinks that all of this could hypothetically be about this car:

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=GyUY...eature=channel


Video states it owns the record with these mods:

1. ECU/TCU
2. Ram Air System
3. Intercooler Upgrade
4. High Flow Exhaust
5. Limited Slip Differential

Which leads you to believe that if you have these RENNtech mods on your CL65, you too can have these times.

Me also thinks that this isn't the complete list of mods.


**EDIT***

Ahmad, I see you already posted this on the last page. Somehow I missed it.

guysandiego

they were not specific enough -- i think they should say -- NOS ecu tune --seems like that is what everyone is getting at ---

tuners are misleading all the time -- and RT is probably the only tuner big enough to enforce a signed contract of shut-your face.

but if you buy RT stuff that is the least of your problems - you rich *******s-- throw some money this way.

Bramage

Im running 11.01 - Stock except ECU tune that I did myself. I used some wires I found in the garage to do the tune. Also, im on bald street tires.. and this was in the rain. now...







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MODS: Bramage Tune- Bald Street Tire (Bias Ply)- Super Boot Lid Spoiler

mthis

. nov 08 Atco track rental.
12.2 at 115+ MPH STOCK c63 street tires and DR's i ran 12.1 and a buddy of mine ran 12.20 at 116 on street tires the same day i ran 12.1 on DR's very very bad example.

VCA_AMG

You gotta be kidding me...

...I just read FOUR PAGES of "hypotheticals" with NO solid confirmation from the OP yet? WTF!

I feel used

BTW Marco your Hennessey references are so true. I lived in Houston for many years, don't get me started on that company.

itsmeek

Blah fn blah, close the thread if the guy doesn't have the ***** to come out and tell the entire story. The mods, the senior members, and everyone else have advised you to tell us who the tuner is. If you don't want to do so, get lost.

Coalman

Perhaps it is a bad example and no disrespect to the C63, but even in relative terms versus the new M3 tested at the same time, I have to think the AMG may have been specially tuned for the road test. The same thing may have happened with the first Road and Track test of the 2003 E55. The car was much faster than a separate test on a different E55 two months later.

97W202

LOCCCCCCCK THIS ****!!

OR SPILL THE BEANS OF COURSE!

W211 BEAST

Still with this ****?!?!?!

Bramage

If you are talking about some of the big names, that sell crap for 8X the realistic price.. who cares. If they can drum up sales based on deception, good for them. As they say: There is a fool born every minute. To fix the problem: Don't be a fool

On the other hand, if someone needs that last 1/2 HP and they can get it with a $6000 throttle body kit, or a $3000 cooling system upgrade (that can be home built for less than $1K). Awesome. But the deception is not being identified, so it really means nothing at this point... sorta like my post

PS- Love my shirt Beast.. 1st day I wore it someone comented on it. The only other shirt I have that gets comments is my "N.W.A. Straight outa Compton" shirt

bigben320e

Two of the best posts here. This thread sucks, and that is not hypothetical at all. Spill the goods, or lock it.

I hate it when people want to expose something, and then just tease and backdoor what is really going on.

Peter_02AMG

This tread is as interesting as watching paint dry! hypotheticals speaking of course..

starbrite

I'm watching my grass grow as I type this....yawn.

alltrac

completly stupid thread...i want the last ten min of my life back. I mean...whats the point of drumming up all this controversy and then backing away...either tell all or don't waste time by posting this "hypothetical' stuff. SAY IT or delete or lock the tread

MarkoCL65

I wouldn't have said it if it weren't true. You and I both know there's alot more to that character (Hennessey).....or lack theroff.....very similar to my "hypothetical" scenario

MarkoCL65

Your post and your sig go hand in hand!

MarkoCL65

It's not about ***** but a potential lawsuit. Speaking of getting lost, you do have the option of not reading this thread you know.....

mikey33

Why start this thread if you were not going to spill the beans? Hypothetical or not just say it and if its true than you have nothing to worry about in terms of lawsuit; the company defrauding its customers will, but not you!

bassn_07

I'm pretty sure if most of you guys read between the lines he's basically telling us who it is. At least I feel pretty damn confident he's point all fingers towards Renntech.

I myself have a few mods from Renntech, V3 airbox, 82mm TB, and Toe links. I have been very pleased about the performance and reliability of their products. I have no regret spending the money I did on a well developed product.

With that said, I do know of 3 different people that have/had their speed shift TCU and they all have issues with a shift. It's intermittent but when it is working correctly the shifts are very firm and quick.

MarkoCL65

It's just sort of disappointing that some tuners with big names, like Hennessey, with constant exposure on Dupont Registry and a worldwide customer base would resort to misleading potential customers and cheating against their competitors. These business practices can be effective, albeit unethical. How many Hennessey customers are really going to dyno their car or take it to the strip? Very small percentage. It is THIS characteristic of the common customer that is being exploited. Most will never verify the car's performance or are happy enough only to have the tuner with the "worlds fastest xxxxx" name on their car.
This is also the case with the "hypothetical" tuner's customer base, maybe even more so. But the clock is ticking and these are acts of desperation to save a deteriorating business. Time will tell if it was indeed effective. I can honestly say that I do wish them( all tuners engaged in unethical business practices and, even more so, the ones that engage in very ethical practices) the best, as I do to anyone that is in business in this difficult economy.

MB_Forever

I am going to "hypothetically" disagree with the "deceitful" or "liar" claim towards RennTech. They maybe very expensive and very proud, but they are definitely NOT deceitful. They are very conservative in their claims - perhaps excessively so. One only has to look at their product brochure listed on their website to see such examples. They claim:

1) 33 hp gain (at the crank not at the wheels) from shorty headers and a tune on an E63. That's about 27 rwhp. In comparison, most tuners claim 30 rwhp from just a tune (no headers).

2) 45 hp gain (at the crank not at the wheels) from pulley and a tune on an E55 (Stage 1). That's about 36 rwhp. Again, most tuners claim 30 rwhp from just a tune.

3) 15 hp gain from shorty headers on an E63 and 20 hp gain from shorty headers on E55 (again, these gains are at the crank not at the wheels). I've seen companies claim anywhere from 30 to 50 rwhp from similar headers.

4) 0 hp gains from the regular cooling mods for an E55. Others claimed as high as 20 hp but 10 hp seems to be the widely adapted/accepted number.

5) 66 hp gain (at the crank not at the wheels) from ECU and TCU tunes for SL65. Almost all companies out there claim more than that.

6) 34 hp gain (at the crank not at the wheels) from pulley and tune on C32. That's about 27 rwhp. Others are claiming 50 rwhp.

To me these numbers are very conservative and incredibly modest. I've actually seen their products put down much bigger numbers/gains on some cars yet they never claim those high numbers. And despite knowing they would lose a lot of sales for not claiming the highest numbers and for not being the cheapest in terms of prices, they continue to keep their numbers very low. They use numbers that are very repeatable and very consistent. Numbers that they are comfortable with. As bassn_07 mentioned, their products are incredibly high quality and are very thought out. Here is another example: I looked at a one year old carbon fiber airbox from Carbonio and the thing looked absolutely yellow with semi-peeling-off clear coat while a 5-year old RENNtech carbon fiber air box looked almost brand new.

I also went back and looked at their videos online and found that aside from a couple of videos about Steve's car (SGC) where they mentioned his record-breaking pass, there were no claims of extremely high numbers or excessively un-realistic goals or anything like that

guysandiego

very very true !!!

but that one video is a bit far fetched ---- that is the only thing people are questioning and feel its misleading but we dont know what mods they left off the list -- but certainly there is something -- *COUGH* nos