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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 09:10 PM
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whats the deal with all these records?

I'm about to undertake a build on my SL55. I'm getting the itch to go racing again. As I sit here typing; wondering what the DA is on this freezing night here in Arizona. The itch is getting stronger.

Trying to make scene of all thats happened since my last real race (last year at Famoso). Is it me or did a whole bunch of record braking crowns get dibbied out on my off time?

I mean, I understand a bunch of them like... Fastest stock, Fasted E55, Fastest SL65, Fastest Mercedes overall. However when did all these sub-categories get put into play... Like.. Fastest Tune only, Fastest header & tune only, Fastest drag slick & Heat exchanger only. Whats the deal? when does it end? It seems like there will be a record for dragslicks set at 16psi only soon enough. Or would I be so far fetched, to claim the long tube header only record for the SL55 class? I think so. In my eyes a record like any of the above doesn't even exist.

I think its time (and I might be the only one on the boat) to get back or legitimize only the records that matter. Like "fastest in your class" and fastest over all" However if someone wants to crown themselves by putting their "*" next to some sub-sub category than so be it.

I kinda feel all these "new" sub-sub category records are a direct result of the tuning wars seen though out online car forums. For a hypothetical example: A company that makes Heat exchangers only. They come out and slap a H/E on a stock 55. They send them down the race track and run xx.xxx @ xxx.xx in the 1/4 mile. Then they dub them "fastest heat exchanger only" 55. To me thats not a record, in fact its not even close to deserving a record.

I see the argument for nitrous records and non nitrous records, but its just getting crazy with all these claims of records or Q/F bla-bla-bla only stuff.

I would be interested to hear you guys take on this topic.

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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 09:25 PM
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I kind of see where your coming from but even though it might not have any true meaning to you its pretty interesting to me and some others. I personally would like to know who has the fastest "tune" only or "tune/header" only car or stock cars on drag radials only its all interesting stuff. The fastest "heat exchanger only 55" is pretty silly I was laughing lollll.
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 09:28 PM
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i'm with you 100%, a "record" to me is something that has to be worked for to get basically. Its easy to put some sticky street tires on and go to the track on a cold night when they prep the track good and run a 11.xx and say now i have the fastest street tire car. Records should be for each make of car period. The only thing that should make 2 records for one make of car is was the record with or without nitrous and thats it!!!
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 09:42 PM
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i'm with you 100%, a "record" to me is something that has to be worked for to get basically. Its easy to put some sticky street tires on and go to the track on a cold night when they prep the track good and run a 11.xx and say now i have the fastest street tire car. Records should be for each make of car period. The only thing that should make 2 records for one make of car is was the record with or without nitrous and thats it!!!
I'd be very cool with a nitrous and non-nitrous record. if there was ever such a thing of a vote on this I would vote for that.
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 09:54 PM
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I'm pretty sure I'm the fastest, quickest, best 60' E55 Stage 3.25 with a Frank Sinatra CD in the cd changer :P
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 09:57 PM
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When i had my 04 cobra it was unreal how many people would claim records for fastest 2.81 pulley,2.76 pulley,2.93 pulley or upper/lower pulley combo and street tires,slicks,drag radials,2.2 kenne bell,2.8 or 2.3l whipple,3.4l whipple.It was crazy because every other person decided they had a record.Even if there was a record for fastest bone stock car that would even be fine because not many people would be shooting for that one.
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 10:13 PM
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I'd be very cool with a nitrous and non-nitrous record. if there was ever such a thing of a vote on this I would vote for that.
I agree with there being wayyy too many "fastest" claims nowadays. I remember back in the day there was fastest with nitrous and fastest without. I think each model should have a fastest though too. The problem with the whole nitrous thing is there is no way to verify if the run was done with or without nitrous
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 10:30 PM
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I'm pretty sure I'm the fastest, quickest, best 60' E55 Stage 3.25 with a Frank Sinatra CD in the cd changer :P
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 10:31 PM
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I have a record I doubt any of you 55K guys would ever beat- Blowing your $***** up then put it back together, add more mods and make it stronger

BTW I now hold the fastest 11 second 55K
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by blackbenzz
I agree with there being wayyy too many "fastest" claims nowadays. I remember back in the day there was fastest with nitrous and fastest without. I think each model should have a fastest though too. The problem with the whole nitrous thing is there is no way to verify if the run was done with or without nitrous
I agree with you, definitely a model & class category. The nitrous thing is tricky none the less. There is a fair share of the honor system going on with all of this. If some one wanted to cheat the system it would be easy.
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 10:36 PM
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by LOCO 05' E55
I have a record I doubt any of you 55K guys would ever beat- Blowing your $***** up then put it back together, add more mods and make it stronger

BTW I now hold the fastest 11 second 55K
LOL, Who owns the slowest 10 second record?
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by LOCO 05' E55
I have a record I doubt any of you 55K guys would ever beat- Blowing your $***** up then put it back together, add more mods and make it stronger

BTW I now hold the fastest 11 second 55K
...I don't know, Ahmad might have that record too, his stuff is breaking all the time then he puts it back together and comes out and breaks another record.
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 10:59 PM
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I think part of the problem is that there isn't a clear definition of the stages. There are so many different combinations of upgrades these days versus 5 years ago. The only records that I have heard of are the quickest/fastest stock or modded and the stage 1 record (pulley & tune)as far as E55's are concerned. I've been on this board for almost 6yrs and those have been the only "records" that mattered. To my knowledge the following records are acurate.

ChicagoX has the E55 NOS record - 10.70
Bassn has the E55 non NOS record - 10.77
Tracshun has the E55 stage 1 record - 11.41
Hammer has the stock E55 record - 11.701
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammer Down
I think part of the problem is that there isn't a clear definition of the stages. There are so many different combinations of upgrades these days versus 5 years ago. The only records that I have heard of are the quickest/fastest stock or modded and the stage 1 record (pulley & tune)as far as E55's are concerned. I've been on this board for almost 6yrs and those have been the only "records" that mattered. To my knowledge the following records are acurate.

ChicagoX has the E55 NOS record - 10.70
Bassn has the E55 non NOS record - 10.77
Tracshun has the E55 stage 1 record - 11.41
Hammer has the stock E55 record - 11.701
You forgot one of the most important ones.....

Enzom holds the 100% stock E55 record - 11.77 @ 118.x mph

What makes his runs amazing is that he was running on street tires with stock filters and stock everything on the car. He has also backed up his runs multiple times with 11.80s and 11.81s a few times at different DAs as well as at different tracks I believe. He kind of lead the movement to go out there and start breaking records ..... darn you Enzom
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 11:13 PM
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Haha...so true Hooleboy! All the recent "record add-ons" has made a mockery of the record holders. When I say record holders, I'm speaking of the fastest benz period, each one in its class, and the usage of nitrous shouldn't matter. Why even have two categories for each (nitrous/no nitrous), it's all hear-say and could never be proven anyways.

Just run your car and have fun. All the records here are for our own enjoyment and doesn't mean ***** anywhere else. I use to love posting up my times to get input and props from other board members, loved it. Instead I got people trying to discredit my runs, accused of using nitrous, and telling me my track traps too high and my so called record doesn't stand. FUKEM all is my only words to all the haters...lol.

Okay, I'm done now.....

EDIT: The only record that should matter to each individual is a new personal best. I strive for one every time I hit the track up.

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Originally Posted by bassn_07
Haha...so true Hooleboy! All the recent "record add-ons" has made a mockery of the record holders. When I say record holders, I'm speaking of the fastest benz period, each one in its class, and the usage of nitrous shouldn't matter. Why even have two categories for each (nitrous/no nitrous), it's all hear-say and could never be proven anyways.

Just run your car and have fun. All the records here are for our own enjoyment and doesn't mean ***** anywhere else. I use to love posting up my times to get input and props from other board members, loved it. Instead I got people trying to discredit my runs, accused of using nitrous, and telling me my track traps too high and my so called record doesn't stand. FUKEM all is my only words to all the haters...lol.

Okay, I'm done now.....
LOL..... we all know Sacramento traps 10 mph higher than any track out there, and the error increases by 5 mph every one mph!!!! oh and their clock may need adjusting..... some say it's off by only 1 second
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Originally Posted by MB_Forever
You forgot one of the most important ones.....

Enzom holds the 100% stock E55 record - 11.77 @ 118.x mph

What makes his runs amazing is that he was running on street tires with stock filters and stock everything on the car. He has also backed up his runs multiple times with 11.80s and 11.81s a few times at different DAs as well as at different tracks I believe. He kind of lead the movement to go out there and start breaking records ..... darn you Enzom
He was on 275 PS2's which if you want to get technical were not stock, but he had stock power. He also had better track prep than most. I believe his 60' was 1.72.
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by bassn_07
Instead I got people trying to discredit my runs, accused of using nitrous, and telling me my track traps too high and my so called record doesn't stand. FUKEM all is my only words to all the haters...lol.

Okay, I'm done now.....
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Originally Posted by Hammer Down
He was on 275 PS2's which if you want to get technical were not stock, but he had stock power. He also had better track prep than most. I believe his 60' was 1.72.
Oh forgot about that..... believe it or not though, he had same or worse 60' times on 275s than he did on 265s

His 100% stock record still stands though.... I think his quickest/fastest on stock tires were 11.8x @ 118.x still. Also, he was running stock wheels I think

I think more important than track prep was his excellent launch technique.
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 11:22 PM
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LOL..... we all know Sacramento traps 10 mph higher than any track out there, and the error increases by 5 mph every one mph!!!! oh and their clock may need adjusting..... some say it's off by only 1 second
!!!! That's exactly what I've read too!!!!
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Oh forgot about that..... believe it or not though, he had same or worse 60' times on 275s than he did on 265s

His 100% stock record still stands though.... I think his quickest/fastest on stock tires were 11.8x @ 118.x still. Also, he was running stock wheels I think

I think more than track prep was his excellent launch technique.
If I had his track prep I would run street tires as well. Math doesn't lie whether its 1.72 60' on street tires or 1.72 on drag radials. a 1.72 is a 1.72 correct
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 11:26 PM
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I hold the record for most amount of money spent without breaking a record...

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Hmm...I might have to take you up on that one. That might be me buddy.
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If I had his track prep I would run street tires as well. Math doesn't lie whether its 1.72 60' on street tires or 1.72 on drag radials. a 1.72 is a 1.72 correct
Yes, but what I was trying to say was that his good launch wasn't attributed to the wider tires he used. His 60' did not improve by going to 275 in the rear. Also, he ran at a few different tracks, so it wasn't just about good track prep. You should come to Famoso and try a different track prep
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