2012 CTS-V or an AMG?
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2012 CTS-V or an AMG?
Ok, just saw this recently, and I wanted some opinions in case I'm not thinking straight. For 2012, Caddy is offering a nifty edition of the CTS-V that looks awesome to me. I'd go with the automatic trans, since the manual sports car I have now is awesome, but it's harder than sin to eat a burger while driving. Couple questions -
1) Anyone have experience with newer Cadillac tech? How's the GPS compared to Command / Sync?
2) Is it sacrilege to get an automatic in a car with +550 hp?
3) Any other comments?
TIA.
1) Anyone have experience with newer Cadillac tech? How's the GPS compared to Command / Sync?
2) Is it sacrilege to get an automatic in a car with +550 hp?
3) Any other comments?
TIA.
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Um, the torque that SC Cadi has you could drive around in 3rd gear and eat big Macs all day, but auto is the only way to go.
The boys at Lingenfelter and Hennessy have these things up around 700 RWHP now.
I don't see the new AMG 63 (55TT) reaching that level for at least 2 years.
Have you seen the "Ring" times for the CTSV?
The boys at Lingenfelter and Hennessy have these things up around 700 RWHP now.
I don't see the new AMG 63 (55TT) reaching that level for at least 2 years.
Have you seen the "Ring" times for the CTSV?
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Love the performance of the car, hate every bit of the styling. I'd rather have a new M5 than the caddy or any AMG they are slamming the new 5.5TT in right now if we were talking this size sedan class.
Personally I want a new C63 wagon with that new tranny
Personally I want a new C63 wagon with that new tranny
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Interior: Typical GM which means GMs favorite three passengers are in your car...buzz, click and whirrr are present in all their glory.
I am personally happy to see GM building much higher quality cars these days, as I haven't bought a new GM car in over 15 years due to lackluster, well, everything. They figured out the engine/tranny/rear end combo,exterior styling isn't bad, quality of steel is good throughout, but all of their interiors are pretty low rent. If they get those fixed, they will be interesting again. They lost so much market share in the late 80s to early 2000s that alot of folks shied away from them, like most of our car manufacturers they just weren't building quality products during that period and we all know where that got them. I hope they continue the current path, because it will help our country out significantly as well
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Oh wow, that interior is real nice. Any idea whether that screen opens up more?
I think the coupe is butt ugly, they overdid it with the rear, the sedan though with some exterior mods could look nice. Whats the price for a loaded 2012 anyway?
I think the coupe is butt ugly, they overdid it with the rear, the sedan though with some exterior mods could look nice. Whats the price for a loaded 2012 anyway?
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Aye, reports are already in, from alot of sources, do some web searches and you will find them. Here is the bottom line on both the CTS-V and ZR1:
Drivetrain: Amazing
Interior: Typical GM which means GMs favorite three passengers are in your car...buzz, click and whirrr are present in all their glory.
I am personally happy to see GM building much higher quality cars these days, as I haven't bought a new GM car in over 15 years due to lackluster, well, everything. They figured out the engine/tranny/rear end combo,exterior styling isn't bad, quality of steel is good throughout, but all of their interiors are pretty low rent. If they get those fixed, they will be interesting again. They lost so much market share in the late 80s to early 2000s that alot of folks shied away from them, like most of our car manufacturers they just weren't building quality products during that period and we all know where that got them. I hope they continue the current path, because it will help our country out significantly as well
Drivetrain: Amazing
Interior: Typical GM which means GMs favorite three passengers are in your car...buzz, click and whirrr are present in all their glory.
I am personally happy to see GM building much higher quality cars these days, as I haven't bought a new GM car in over 15 years due to lackluster, well, everything. They figured out the engine/tranny/rear end combo,exterior styling isn't bad, quality of steel is good throughout, but all of their interiors are pretty low rent. If they get those fixed, they will be interesting again. They lost so much market share in the late 80s to early 2000s that alot of folks shied away from them, like most of our car manufacturers they just weren't building quality products during that period and we all know where that got them. I hope they continue the current path, because it will help our country out significantly as well
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And I agree withe you 100%, coupe is ugly, but the sedan is beautiful.
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Yes - definitely one of the most impressive sedans in this tier of vehicle 
Thanks - good to know. I'm going to track one down for a test drive this week
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Definitely my main concern. That said, getting out of a Merc into a Shelby (read: Ford) was not a hugely shocking experience for me - no rattles / etc., but the trim level is definitely different. I'm hoping a Caddy will be significantly closer to Merc quality / finishes.
Ok... GRANDMA. Hahaha
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At the local International Auto Show there were 2 CTS-V's sitting side by side...both Flame Red; a coupe and a sedan. I stood there and stared for quite awhile. The coupe started looking better the longer I looked. The wagon looks pretty good as well.
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Very cool interior shots.
I considered a CTS-V several months ago before buying my e63.
The car certainly has very impressive performance numbers, etc.
For me, I wasnt wild about the coupe (I need 4 doors for the kids), and the "pano" roof on the sedan was compeltely unappealing - it has a flimsy fabric screen that looked like sh*t. They dont make many sedans without the option, either.
I also wasnt wild about the wheels/rims, and honestly, the car doesnt look any different to me than the garden variety 6 cylinder variant.
All subjective, I know. I certainly wouldnt chastise anyone for owning one, but for me, it wasnt the answer.
I considered a CTS-V several months ago before buying my e63.
The car certainly has very impressive performance numbers, etc.
For me, I wasnt wild about the coupe (I need 4 doors for the kids), and the "pano" roof on the sedan was compeltely unappealing - it has a flimsy fabric screen that looked like sh*t. They dont make many sedans without the option, either.
I also wasnt wild about the wheels/rims, and honestly, the car doesnt look any different to me than the garden variety 6 cylinder variant.
All subjective, I know. I certainly wouldnt chastise anyone for owning one, but for me, it wasnt the answer.
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Great performance.... but it's a caddy.
The performace specs and the looks of exterior and interior are impressive.......BUT, I just sold my Caddy about 7 months ago and I would have to say versus a german car like an MB, The Caddy will look good on the outside and run good for a long time, but the interior way too quickly gets that worn out used car feel. Rattles, Rattles, Rattls, Loose seat rails, a BBWWONGGGGG sound when you close the door. Windows motors and door locks going out prematurely.
And worst of all car will depreciate worse than a "gold" necklace purchased in a Mexico border-town.
And worst of all car will depreciate worse than a "gold" necklace purchased in a Mexico border-town.
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The performace specs and the looks of exterior and interior are impressive.......BUT, I just sold my Caddy about 7 months ago and I would have to say versus a german car like an MB, The Caddy will look good on the outside and run good for a long time, but the interior way too quickly gets that worn out used car feel. Rattles, Rattles, Rattls, Loose seat rails, a BBWWONGGGGG sound when you close the door. Windows motors and door locks going out prematurely.
And worst of all car will depreciate worse than a "gold" necklace purchased in a Mexico border-town.
And worst of all car will depreciate worse than a "gold" necklace purchased in a Mexico border-town.
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The performace specs and the looks of exterior and interior are impressive.......BUT, I just sold my Caddy about 7 months ago and I would have to say versus a german car like an MB, The Caddy will look good on the outside and run good for a long time, but the interior way too quickly gets that worn out used car feel. Rattles, Rattles, Rattls, Loose seat rails, a BBWWONGGGGG sound when you close the door. Windows motors and door locks going out prematurely.
And worst of all car will depreciate worse than a "gold" necklace purchased in a Mexico border-town.
And worst of all car will depreciate worse than a "gold" necklace purchased in a Mexico border-town.
2006 V1's (CTS-V 1st generation) are still going for $20K+ (every used '06 CTS-V currently on autotrader is asking $20K+, most in the mid to high 20's) and original MSRP of $50K, so that is between 50% to 60% depreciation over 5 years. Which isn't too bad when compared to AMG and BMW M depreciation.
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I've got almost 50,000 miles, about 60 passes at the track and drive my "V" all year long (thru Chicago Winters) and I don't have any squeaks, rattles, etc. There are many of them that are tight as a drum, but there also seems to be enough people posting about interior noises to say that it's not merely some people just being picky. There's a very real chance you could get a "V" with those issues. There are also other minor quality related issues that you might run across with the "V", but nothing major. However, I see many posts about quality based issues on people's AMG's posted in these forums also, not sure how they compare to what the Caddy guys are seeing (better or worse).
Guess I've just been lucky with mine (and it was a dealer demo car to boot). I've seen many of your posts about the "V" and you look to have really been stuck with a complete "lemon". Mine also came with the "saffron" interior pictured in the first post above. Given a choice I would have opted for the plain "ebony" interior, but the deal was too good to pass up on it. Perhaps because this car was a step up from the type of cars I've traditionally owned I may have a bit more tolerance to certain things than people coming from 6 figure luxury cars.
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That's not been the case thus far with the latest generation "V" cars. Not to mention AMG cars aren't exactly setting a standard for resale value.
I've got almost 50,000 miles, about 60 passes at the track and drive my "V" all year long (thru Chicago Winters) and I don't have any squeaks, rattles, etc. There are many of them that are tight as a drum, but there also seems to be enough people posting about interior noises to say that it's not merely some people just being picky. There's a very real chance you could get a "V" with those issues. There are also other minor quality related issues that you might run across with the "V", but nothing major. However, I see many posts about quality based issues on people's AMG's posted in these forums also, not sure how they compare to what the Caddy guys are seeing (better or worse).
Guess I've just been lucky with mine (and it was a dealer demo car to boot). I've seen many of your posts about the "V" and you look to have really been stuck with a complete "lemon". Mine also came with the "saffron" interior pictured in the first post above. Given a choice I would have opted for the plain "ebony" interior, but the deal was too good to pass up on it. Perhaps because this car was a step up from the type of cars I've traditionally owned I may have a bit more tolerance to certain things than people coming from 6 figure luxury cars.
I've got almost 50,000 miles, about 60 passes at the track and drive my "V" all year long (thru Chicago Winters) and I don't have any squeaks, rattles, etc. There are many of them that are tight as a drum, but there also seems to be enough people posting about interior noises to say that it's not merely some people just being picky. There's a very real chance you could get a "V" with those issues. There are also other minor quality related issues that you might run across with the "V", but nothing major. However, I see many posts about quality based issues on people's AMG's posted in these forums also, not sure how they compare to what the Caddy guys are seeing (better or worse).
Guess I've just been lucky with mine (and it was a dealer demo car to boot). I've seen many of your posts about the "V" and you look to have really been stuck with a complete "lemon". Mine also came with the "saffron" interior pictured in the first post above. Given a choice I would have opted for the plain "ebony" interior, but the deal was too good to pass up on it. Perhaps because this car was a step up from the type of cars I've traditionally owned I may have a bit more tolerance to certain things than people coming from 6 figure luxury cars.
Anyway, I have owned a CL65, Audi RS6, BMW M5 and GT-R....and I absolutely love the CTS-V. Yes, the interior materials could use some more luxurious materials, but overall it is a GREAT car and I would put the driving satisfaction and sport/comfort versatility up there with any of my other cars.
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I don't think that is it at all. I have read through this clowns posts for the past few years. He had all sorts of problems with his old E63's transmission. He seems to be a brand ***** who whined like a little girl about getting POS loaner cars from MB because the C300s don't have the status he is accustomed to...
Anyway, I have owned a CL65, Audi RS6, BMW M5 and GT-R....and I absolutely love the CTS-V. Yes, the interior materials could use some more luxurious materials, but overall it is a GREAT car and I would put the driving satisfaction and sport/comfort versatility up there with any of my other cars.
Tom
Anyway, I have owned a CL65, Audi RS6, BMW M5 and GT-R....and I absolutely love the CTS-V. Yes, the interior materials could use some more luxurious materials, but overall it is a GREAT car and I would put the driving satisfaction and sport/comfort versatility up there with any of my other cars.
Tom
By the way for whoever said my V was a lemon: a lemon is when one car has so many problems that it differs from the majority of vehicles produced. In the case of the V they all havethe same problems mine did, most if not all of which GM STILL does not know how to fix.
