Carbon Ceramic
Carbon Ceramic
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Heat till extra hot temp, then get cold suddenly "could be cold water, etc.." and then heat till extra hot temp and get cold quickly, and the cycle continue for some times !!!!
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The SLS GT3 is using steel rotors as are all of the DTM's. There has been problems with carbon rotors scoring from foreign objects. F1 is using them because they throw the rotors away after qualifying and after the race
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I think... look on the hat of the rotor above it says "7732g" which is about 17lbs if my math is correct.
I don't know if that's heavy or light (how much does a standard rotor weigh?) and I also don't know if the carbon ceramic rotors are supposed to save on weight..
I don't know if that's heavy or light (how much does a standard rotor weigh?) and I also don't know if the carbon ceramic rotors are supposed to save on weight..
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It won't work with our SBC due to fluid volume requirements and programming of the SBC for ESP and stability Managment. Carbon brakes have much different bite than iron and that needs to be taken into account. SBC also calculates brake temp to mitigate fade and again there is a large difference between carbon and iron thermally
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It won't work with our SBC due to fluid volume requirements and programming of the SBC for ESP and stability Managment. Carbon brakes have much different bite than iron and that needs to be taken into account. SBC also calculates brake temp to mitigate fade and again there is a large difference between carbon and iron thermally
so, do you mean that anybody wanting to put those brakes must reprogram SBC and ESP similarly to SLR ?
...or do you know of anybody who installed them without any reprogramming and it was so bad/unmanageable ?
along that route you would need a retune even after upgrading to a different, maybe just a so called "composite" rotor and/or softer brake pads ...
again, do you think that w212 with carbon brake option requires a different ESP setting ?
mmh .. not sure, after all we are talking here something "street usable" Carbon/ceramic rotors: these are not F1 "Carbon/carbon" , these are "C-Sic" Carbon-Silicon Carbide mixture .. much similar in its behaviour at low temperatures to normal iron rotors ..
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so, do you mean that anybody wanting to put those brakes must reprogram SBC and ESP similarly to SLR ?
...or do you know of anybody who installed them without any reprogramming and it was so bad/unmanageable ?
along that route you would need a retune even after upgrading to a different, maybe just a so called "composite" rotor and/or softer brake pads ...
again, do you think that w212 with carbon brake option requires a different ESP setting ?
mmh .. not sure, after all we are talking here something "street usable" Carbon/ceramic rotors: these are not F1 "Carbon/carbon" , these are "C-Sic" Carbon-Silicon Carbide mixture .. much similar in its behaviour at low temperatures to normal iron rotors ..
...or do you know of anybody who installed them without any reprogramming and it was so bad/unmanageable ?
along that route you would need a retune even after upgrading to a different, maybe just a so called "composite" rotor and/or softer brake pads ...
again, do you think that w212 with carbon brake option requires a different ESP setting ?
mmh .. not sure, after all we are talking here something "street usable" Carbon/ceramic rotors: these are not F1 "Carbon/carbon" , these are "C-Sic" Carbon-Silicon Carbide mixture .. much similar in its behaviour at low temperatures to normal iron rotors ..
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yes, that's really lightweight, especially if you consider that those rotors are much thicker and larger than standard (afaik they are 402x39mm).
maybe they are over-dimensioned (but marketing rules here)
also because SLR's first series 370mm rotors were reputed very efficient and the subsequent series, the larger 390mm Brembos were not considered that much better.
if you want a weight comparison: here you are:
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... and it's real, I weighted myself (well, not very professionally, but still a "made in germany" balance ..LOL)
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oh.. btw, those SLS style rotors posted by you are a bargain compared to previous SLR's: if you paste this 1994200472 part number into a partsonline website you'll get a 10K price-list (euros)
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my question was whether the carbon option for W212 or 218 or SLs would require any reprogramming
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It doesn't matter the Master cylinders are not the same size and yes it would require reprogramming on a firmware level not a star coding level
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if master cylinders are different, then I can belive
so, a new nightmare on the horizon then, because I would like to do that mod ..
