Pulling the trigger on an '09 E63, Have some questions...
06-04-2011, 11:47 PM
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Went to auction and was bought by a MB dealer in PA who now has it listed @ 64.9k. :
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Amazing ! BTW, when I drove it, it had a very loud valve tick on the passenger side bank.
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06-05-2011, 02:34 AM
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Get the best car you can afford...but seriously if it were me I would buy a Performance Package (P30) equiped 2008 over a non-P30 2009 any day of the week. I could care less about a COMAND unit. That's just me. I did a lot of research on the P30 cars and test drove other MBs before pulling the trigger. To me the P30 was important because I wanted a car that cornered tight and wasn't bouncy. My car corners very well. I can say that even after owning four Corvettes. While I'm not racing it on a track, it does stay very planted in corners, almost no body roll, and is stiff enough for sports car guys.
The P30 removes the 155 MPH speed limiter, has the Limited Slip Differential (LSD), and has a 50% stiffer suspension all the way around for flatter cornering. You might want to do some research into the P30 package and see if that interests you. It's a personal preference. Below is a good summary by a forum member:
http://703power.com/benz.php
But get the best car you can afford. But don't overlook a good P30 car if you come across one.
The P30 removes the 155 MPH speed limiter, has the Limited Slip Differential (LSD), and has a 50% stiffer suspension all the way around for flatter cornering. You might want to do some research into the P30 package and see if that interests you. It's a personal preference. Below is a good summary by a forum member:
http://703power.com/benz.php
But get the best car you can afford. But don't overlook a good P30 car if you come across one.
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06-05-2011, 12:06 PM
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06-05-2011, 01:33 PM
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The P30 removes the 155 MPH speed limiter, has the Limited Slip Differential (LSD), and has a 50% stiffer suspension all the way around for flatter cornering. You might want to do some research into the P30 package and see if that interests you. It's a personal preference. Below is a good summary by a forum member:
http://703power.com/benz.php
But get the best car you can afford. But don't overlook a good P30 car if you come across one.
One can also buy the P030 airmatics (or install them when one needs a replacement); although it's even possible that it's a SDS activated sort of thing since it's a difference in the air strut valving. I've yet to cross-check part numbers. On the other hand, the non-P030 airmatics are smoother, so some people might prefer that. After all these things are big heavy sedan pigs and aren't really corner tossers anyway (with a W212 the performance option makes more sense, imho.)
Wheels get replaced all the time, and the steering wheel is available too. And one can change the delimiter via the ECU.
Anyway, point being is that it is possible to make a non-P030 into one. So if somebody can't find one and otherwise the car is right, then they could change it over later (figuring all the $$ in mods people do anyway, then why not.) It's just not as easy to find used P030 cars (AMG charges way too much for their OEM stuff and that scared off enough dealers and new buyers from getting the option in the first place.)
But it's interesting to see that AMG is offering more stuff now in their performance options (in the W212) then ever before and also some stand alone options. I think eventually a lot more OEM performance options will be available, like BMW and Porsche.
06-05-2011, 01:56 PM
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I agree 220.
You can always add aftermarket components that are better then the OEM stuff. I've done that many times with my Vettes. It's just up to the buyer if he or she wants to get into the modification stuff. On an MB it's not cheap. When I was shopping I tried to find the best car that I could afford short of a new W212:-)
You can always add aftermarket components that are better then the OEM stuff. I've done that many times with my Vettes. It's just up to the buyer if he or she wants to get into the modification stuff. On an MB it's not cheap. When I was shopping I tried to find the best car that I could afford short of a new W212:-)
06-05-2011, 04:28 PM
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Just for the record, one can add the P030 package stuff afterwards if one wanted to. A lot of people even argue that the Quaife or OS Giken is a much better LSD (full lock), but even my dealership said they could install a OEM LSD (but more expensive and the OEM is kind of a "quasi-LSD.") I know the Porsche guys prefer the OS Giken over the OEM Porsche version.
One can also buy the P030 airmatics (or install them when one needs a replacement); although it's even possible that it's a SDS activated sort of thing since it's a difference in the air strut valving. I've yet to cross-check part numbers. On the other hand, the non-P030 airmatics are smoother, so some people might prefer that. After all these things are big heavy sedan pigs and aren't really corner tossers anyway (with a W212 the performance option makes more sense, imho.)
Wheels get replaced all the time, and the steering wheel is available too. And one can change the delimiter via the ECU.
Anyway, point being is that it is possible to make a non-P030 into one. So if somebody can't find one and otherwise the car is right, then they could change it over later (figuring all the $$ in mods people do anyway, then why not.) It's just not as easy to find used P030 cars (AMG charges way too much for their OEM stuff and that scared off enough dealers and new buyers from getting the option in the first place.)
But it's interesting to see that AMG is offering more stuff now in their performance options (in the W212) then ever before and also some stand alone options. I think eventually a lot more OEM performance options will be available, like BMW and Porsche.
One can also buy the P030 airmatics (or install them when one needs a replacement); although it's even possible that it's a SDS activated sort of thing since it's a difference in the air strut valving. I've yet to cross-check part numbers. On the other hand, the non-P030 airmatics are smoother, so some people might prefer that. After all these things are big heavy sedan pigs and aren't really corner tossers anyway (with a W212 the performance option makes more sense, imho.)
Wheels get replaced all the time, and the steering wheel is available too. And one can change the delimiter via the ECU.
Anyway, point being is that it is possible to make a non-P030 into one. So if somebody can't find one and otherwise the car is right, then they could change it over later (figuring all the $$ in mods people do anyway, then why not.) It's just not as easy to find used P030 cars (AMG charges way too much for their OEM stuff and that scared off enough dealers and new buyers from getting the option in the first place.)
But it's interesting to see that AMG is offering more stuff now in their performance options (in the W212) then ever before and also some stand alone options. I think eventually a lot more OEM performance options will be available, like BMW and Porsche.
I actually think that if we include everything that comes with the AMG P30 option for the E-Class, it doesn't sound like a bad deal especially if we would consider all the costs involved to do the exact same work afterwards. Here are some approximate MSRP pricing:
- Steering Wheel: $2.5k
- 2-Piece light-weight wheels: $5k
- Top-Speed limiter remvoal tune: $1k
- AMG LSD: $5k + you will need the axles
- Airmatic Suspension: $4.5k (not even sure if programming would work)
- Installation: $2k
Total MSRP price is around $20k. Discounted pricing will obviously be much less:
- Steering Wheel: $1k
- 2-Piece light-weight wheels: $2k
- Top-Speed limiter removal tune: $1k
- AMG LSD: $2k + you will need the axles
- Airmatic Suspension: $2.5k
- Installation: $1k
06-05-2011, 05:21 PM
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Mo, do you think you'd need new axles? My service manager claims they can do it without based on the part numbers in their system. But he admitted he hasn't done it before. He "guessed" around $3k. I think somebody here once said they did it thru the dealer (or maybe were going to?)
He also hinted that you can possibly change the airmatics via SDS. But I didn't pursue it any further. I think the part numbers are the same and didn't somebody say the non-AMG part numbers for the struts are the same as the AMG (non-P030) struts? The AMG and non-AMG suspensions are valved differently, too. It wouldn't make a lot of economical sense for Daimler to stock so many different kinds of struts for just one platform (E Class.) But who knows.
But yeah, you're right that doing it later will cost some money. It's just hard to find used P030 cars for sale. So it is an option to add stuff later, nonetheless. I wonder how many P030 cars were sold in the US. Total USA E63s sold were just over 400 in 2009 and I'm guessing only a handful are P030.
He also hinted that you can possibly change the airmatics via SDS. But I didn't pursue it any further. I think the part numbers are the same and didn't somebody say the non-AMG part numbers for the struts are the same as the AMG (non-P030) struts? The AMG and non-AMG suspensions are valved differently, too. It wouldn't make a lot of economical sense for Daimler to stock so many different kinds of struts for just one platform (E Class.) But who knows.
But yeah, you're right that doing it later will cost some money. It's just hard to find used P030 cars for sale. So it is an option to add stuff later, nonetheless. I wonder how many P030 cars were sold in the US. Total USA E63s sold were just over 400 in 2009 and I'm guessing only a handful are P030.
06-05-2011, 07:42 PM
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Mo, do you think you'd need new axles? My service manager claims they can do it without based on the part numbers in their system. But he admitted he hasn't done it before. He "guessed" around $3k. I think somebody here once said they did it thru the dealer (or maybe were going to?)
He also hinted that you can possibly change the airmatics via SDS. But I didn't pursue it any further. I think the part numbers are the same and didn't somebody say the non-AMG part numbers for the struts are the same as the AMG (non-P030) struts? The AMG and non-AMG suspensions are valved differently, too. It wouldn't make a lot of economical sense for Daimler to stock so many different kinds of struts for just one platform (E Class.) But who knows.
But yeah, you're right that doing it later will cost some money. It's just hard to find used P030 cars for sale. So it is an option to add stuff later, nonetheless. I wonder how many P030 cars were sold in the US. Total USA E63s sold were just over 400 in 2009 and I'm guessing only a handful are P030.
He also hinted that you can possibly change the airmatics via SDS. But I didn't pursue it any further. I think the part numbers are the same and didn't somebody say the non-AMG part numbers for the struts are the same as the AMG (non-P030) struts? The AMG and non-AMG suspensions are valved differently, too. It wouldn't make a lot of economical sense for Daimler to stock so many different kinds of struts for just one platform (E Class.) But who knows.
But yeah, you're right that doing it later will cost some money. It's just hard to find used P030 cars for sale. So it is an option to add stuff later, nonetheless. I wonder how many P030 cars were sold in the US. Total USA E63s sold were just over 400 in 2009 and I'm guessing only a handful are P030.
Regarding the axles, I am sure they are needed for the E55s because I know 2 guys who have installed an AMG LSD into their E55s and both required new axles. I'm not so sure on the E63 but I will double check. I believe Rick tried in his CLS63 but decided to go with the Quaife because of the hassle. Also found this comment from Steve at MBenzNL saying the same thing:
https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/...est-price.html
Regarding the suspension, I know AMG has commented about it before, so unless the dealer is willing to get a "Development Mode" SDS system and illegaly use it, they will not be able to change the suspension programming response via SDS. Steve may be able to though
06-06-2011, 11:48 AM
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I was probably one of them Mo. I got the AMG LSD on my 2004 E55 back in 2005 and I needed the Euro Axles to mate up with the LSD. Apparently (I may be wrong) the 2003 E55's came with the heavy duty axles but not after 2003.
