Class action lawsuit to be filed against Mercedes alleges AMG 63 V8 defects
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did you get any response after you showed the TSB? my 2009 ML63 sounds exactly like this..is it really as normal as the MB techs say or should I get it checked along with the TSB?
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**Update**
I spoke to the lead attorney again today to get an update. Here's the latest... Mercedes (of course) has been trying very hard to have the case and its various facets dismissed. A judge will decide by July whether the whole case or only certain portions will proceed, or he could dismiss it entirely.
There are around 30,000 people in the class! I was shocked to hear this as I just assumed it was a relatively small number, something like 500 or so. He reminded me that this covers all of the 6.3 models from 2007-2011, C63, S63, E63 etc etc
The lead attorney is Neil Goro, and he would be interested in hearing from anybody that has had engine issues or repairs, basically something that could help the case. He can be reached at 210-487-7500. There is a lot of info in this thread, so please don't bug him with questions that have already been answered.
http://www.wigrum.com/attorneys/Neil+A./Goro/
I will post an update again some time in July.
I spoke to the lead attorney again today to get an update. Here's the latest... Mercedes (of course) has been trying very hard to have the case and its various facets dismissed. A judge will decide by July whether the whole case or only certain portions will proceed, or he could dismiss it entirely.
There are around 30,000 people in the class! I was shocked to hear this as I just assumed it was a relatively small number, something like 500 or so. He reminded me that this covers all of the 6.3 models from 2007-2011, C63, S63, E63 etc etc
The lead attorney is Neil Goro, and he would be interested in hearing from anybody that has had engine issues or repairs, basically something that could help the case. He can be reached at 210-487-7500. There is a lot of info in this thread, so please don't bug him with questions that have already been answered.
http://www.wigrum.com/attorneys/Neil+A./Goro/
I will post an update again some time in July.
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They just don't build that many of them for me to believe that EVERYONE is in on this.
How about a role call here on MBWORLD?
Wait a minute, I'll start it
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Only one winner in these class action suits and thats the lawyers....
You see the last one which was "won" by the class action ended with MB having to pay Attorney costs of $6.25Million, and the claimants got vouchers to claim against new MB purchases, or cash equivalent... although these amounts are not specified.
$6.25Mio you got to be sh`ttng me ...
And 30,000 in the class action ... do me a favour... I doubt MB have built 5000 6.3 engines since they came out....
If MB have sold 30,000 6.3 cars .. thats a total revenue of ~3.6 billion $ .... FFS
You see the last one which was "won" by the class action ended with MB having to pay Attorney costs of $6.25Million, and the claimants got vouchers to claim against new MB purchases, or cash equivalent... although these amounts are not specified.
$6.25Mio you got to be sh`ttng me ...
And 30,000 in the class action ... do me a favour... I doubt MB have built 5000 6.3 engines since they came out....
If MB have sold 30,000 6.3 cars .. thats a total revenue of ~3.6 billion $ .... FFS
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I find that number VERY hard to beleive, as that would mean that just about EVERY owner of an AMG has signed up for it
They just don't build that many of them for me to believe that EVERYONE is in on this.
How about a role call here on MBWORLD?
Wait a minute, I'll start it
They just don't build that many of them for me to believe that EVERYONE is in on this.
How about a role call here on MBWORLD?
Wait a minute, I'll start it
That bing said, 30,000 sounds crazy high. Guessing a potential class of 3,000 is more accurate, but I don't know the facts.
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Only one winner in these class action suits and thats the lawyers....
You see the last one which was "won" by the class action ended with MB having to pay Attorney costs of $6.25Million, and the claimants got vouchers to claim against new MB purchases, or cash equivalent... although these amounts are not specified.
$6.25Mio you got to be sh`ttng me ...
And 30,000 in the class action ... do me a favour... I doubt MB have built 5000 6.3 engines since they came out....
If MB have sold 30,000 6.3 cars .. thats a total revenue of ~3.6 billion $ .... FFS
You see the last one which was "won" by the class action ended with MB having to pay Attorney costs of $6.25Million, and the claimants got vouchers to claim against new MB purchases, or cash equivalent... although these amounts are not specified.
$6.25Mio you got to be sh`ttng me ...
And 30,000 in the class action ... do me a favour... I doubt MB have built 5000 6.3 engines since they came out....
If MB have sold 30,000 6.3 cars .. thats a total revenue of ~3.6 billion $ .... FFS
That's your opinion, certainly many class action suits have benefited consumers and they spectre of a class action suit helps keep giant corportations somewhat honest.
And MB sold over 402,000 cars last year alone, and we are talking 6.3 engines from 2007-2011 so do the math.
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The engines are fine, yes they make a slightly rough noise at start up but the noise is gone almost immediately. Start a Veyron cold and listen to it then compare it to the engine sound when warmed up a bit. All engines begin to purr once they are warmed up........
Come on guys, just keep your car under warranty and forget about it (fu get a bout it).
I like the comment about the lawyers the best in Post #82, they are true sharks and don't leave much once they have eaten.
Come on guys, just keep your car under warranty and forget about it (fu get a bout it).
I like the comment about the lawyers the best in Post #82, they are true sharks and don't leave much once they have eaten.
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Can anyone explain why the plaintiff had to pay $4,900 bucks for a repair that should have been covered by warranty?
Then the place that fixed it low balled him when he tried to trade in bc they knew of the issue.
Then the place that fixed it low balled him when he tried to trade in bc they knew of the issue.
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Yes it sure is, and remains so.
Erin Brokovitch portrayed one example and I am sure there are others, but there seems a disproportionate remuneration heading to the lawyers - in my opinion.
Clearly as we have now seen they dont have 30,000 litigants but around 30,000 maximum possible. AMG sold approx 132,000 cars over this period (they did 24,200 in 08 and 20,300 in 07)... so 30,000 in this context is plausible.
Clearly as we have now seen they dont have 30,000 litigants but around 30,000 maximum possible. AMG sold approx 132,000 cars over this period (they did 24,200 in 08 and 20,300 in 07)... so 30,000 in this context is plausible.
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@lawguy Gee what a surprise... Its no different to how everyone likes bashing bankers... 
So suck it up... !
@Pushing_Tin...
When they make you a moderator... ?
If you don't like my "needless blather" dont read it. I think my post is very relevant to this thread.
My comments stemmed from the claim that 30,000 parties are involved in the class action suit, which I said was bogus, and I was right FWIW.
Also it annoys me in these action cases where all the lawyers are after is money for themselves and the actual affected parties don't get a fair portion of the awards given. What is it normally 50:50 ?
You think the lawyers would give a rats about this if the company they were suing wasnt some mulitmillion multinational. Its hilarious how people try and portray lawyers in these cases as the white knights in shining armour taking on the big guys saving the little guys.
Anyhow... good luck with your case everyone.
So suck it up... !
@Pushing_Tin...
When they make you a moderator... ?
If you don't like my "needless blather" dont read it. I think my post is very relevant to this thread.
My comments stemmed from the claim that 30,000 parties are involved in the class action suit, which I said was bogus, and I was right FWIW.
Also it annoys me in these action cases where all the lawyers are after is money for themselves and the actual affected parties don't get a fair portion of the awards given. What is it normally 50:50 ?
You think the lawyers would give a rats about this if the company they were suing wasnt some mulitmillion multinational. Its hilarious how people try and portray lawyers in these cases as the white knights in shining armour taking on the big guys saving the little guys.
Anyhow... good luck with your case everyone.
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@Pushing_Tin...
When they make you a moderator... ? And if you live in the UK, why do you even care??
If you don't like my "needless blather" dont read it. I think my post is very relevant to this thread.
My comments stemmed from the claim that 30,000 parties are involved in the class action suit, which I said was bogus, and I was right FWIW.
When they make you a moderator... ? And if you live in the UK, why do you even care??
If you don't like my "needless blather" dont read it. I think my post is very relevant to this thread.
My comments stemmed from the claim that 30,000 parties are involved in the class action suit, which I said was bogus, and I was right FWIW.
It has nothing to do with being a moderator. Could you have a little, just a little class and maturity and not fill a useful thread with your opinion which lends NOTHING to the topic at hand? Again, if you want to rant and rave please start a thread elsewhere and flame away. If you have some personal comments for me, just man up and PM me.
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Omg .... Class and maturity? Phew thanks for the life skills lessons.
What's living in the UK got to do with anything? Does that not entitle me to an opinion?
Why should I PM you anyway I got nothing to say to you personally ... You seem to be the only one who has an issue with my opinion... PM me if you feel the need.
Again, lawyers get paid to much in these actions and if you think there are 30,000 parties to the complaint fine. I still believe in what I said regardless ...
You will be relieved that I'm done in this thread
Good luck.
What's living in the UK got to do with anything? Does that not entitle me to an opinion?
Why should I PM you anyway I got nothing to say to you personally ... You seem to be the only one who has an issue with my opinion... PM me if you feel the need.
Again, lawyers get paid to much in these actions and if you think there are 30,000 parties to the complaint fine. I still believe in what I said regardless ...
You will be relieved that I'm done in this thread
Good luck.
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@lawguy Gee what a surprise... Its no different to how everyone likes bashing bankers...
So suck it up... !
@Pushing_Tin...
When they make you a moderator... ?
If you don't like my "needless blather" dont read it. I think my post is very relevant to this thread.
My comments stemmed from the claim that 30,000 parties are involved in the class action suit, which I said was bogus, and I was right FWIW.
Also it annoys me in these action cases where all the lawyers are after is money for themselves and the actual affected parties don't get a fair portion of the awards given. What is it normally 50:50 ?
You think the lawyers would give a rats about this if the company they were suing wasnt some mulitmillion multinational. Its hilarious how people try and portray lawyers in these cases as the white knights in shining armour taking on the big guys saving the little guys.
Anyhow... good luck with your case everyone.
So suck it up... !
@Pushing_Tin...
When they make you a moderator... ?
If you don't like my "needless blather" dont read it. I think my post is very relevant to this thread.
My comments stemmed from the claim that 30,000 parties are involved in the class action suit, which I said was bogus, and I was right FWIW.
Also it annoys me in these action cases where all the lawyers are after is money for themselves and the actual affected parties don't get a fair portion of the awards given. What is it normally 50:50 ?
You think the lawyers would give a rats about this if the company they were suing wasnt some mulitmillion multinational. Its hilarious how people try and portray lawyers in these cases as the white knights in shining armour taking on the big guys saving the little guys.
Anyhow... good luck with your case everyone.
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There are about 30,000 people in the class, FWIW.
It has nothing to do with being a moderator. Could you have a little, just a little class and maturity and not fill a useful thread with your opinion which lends NOTHING to the topic at hand? Again, if you want to rant and rave please start a thread elsewhere and flame away. If you have some personal comments for me, just man up and PM me.
It has nothing to do with being a moderator. Could you have a little, just a little class and maturity and not fill a useful thread with your opinion which lends NOTHING to the topic at hand? Again, if you want to rant and rave please start a thread elsewhere and flame away. If you have some personal comments for me, just man up and PM me.
I agree with Post #91 and remind you that your youth and inexperience is not backed up with any facts.
Let's start with the claim you make that there are 30,000 people involved, and yes start with that because AMG 63 engines made are not even close to that. come on bud, let's discuss it or start another thread and complain there, LOL.
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You really have no clue what is going on in this forum. We all have the right to opinions and if you want to PM someone, PM the lawyers and tell them they are stupid. All they are able to do is cause trouble when trouble doesn't exist.
I agree with Post #91 and remind you that your youth and inexperience is not backed up with any facts.
Let's start with the claim you make that there are 30,000 people involved, and yes start with that because AMG 63 engines made are not even close to that. come on bud, let's discuss it or start another thread and complain there, LOL.
I agree with Post #91 and remind you that your youth and inexperience is not backed up with any facts.
Let's start with the claim you make that there are 30,000 people involved, and yes start with that because AMG 63 engines made are not even close to that. come on bud, let's discuss it or start another thread and complain there, LOL.
I'm done trying to help out anybody else. If anybody wants an update feel free to PM me.
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So I guess I'll pass on going to a CLS63 or E63 and maybe just stick with a CLS55 until the TT motors come down in price a bit. The 55 motors are bullet proof except for the cylinder #8 fuel issue after extensive modding. The 6.3L motors seem to go boom on their own as they can't be modded that heavily.
Even under warranty why would I risk owning one as the downtime/fighting with MB would be significant.
CLS55 here I come.
Great thread by the way!
Alex
Even under warranty why would I risk owning one as the downtime/fighting with MB would be significant.
CLS55 here I come.
Great thread by the way!
Alex
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So what came of this suit? Also, as someone who puts a ton of miles on their E63 (almost to 80k miles now), and whose extended warranty is up at 84k miles, is there anything that I can push to have updated on my car as part of a TSB or from this suit?
