Class action lawsuit to be filed against Mercedes alleges AMG 63 V8 defects
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Well I will tell you this my 2011 ml63 is getting traded right before 2016 warranty expires and you guys better believe that 
! hopefully they have a e63 coupe 4matic by that time... wouldn't that be fkin awesome
! hopefully they have a e63 coupe 4matic by that time... wouldn't that be fkin awesome
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Just because there are that many people listed in the case doesn't mean that many people have issues or ever will. I have worked for MB through the whole life of the engine and when a 63 engine goes confetti flies throughout the department. That being said it never happens although it would be huge money for us even under warranty. I have only dealt with one myself on a BS, but that was due to an injector failing and filling the engine with fuel causing it to hydrolock. I am really interested what real failure numbers they are dealing with instead of a "how many people own an AMG" number. Also them expecting them to have repaired it under a recall doesnt seem like it would hold up as it's not a safety issue, but I am no expert. That would mean all car manufacturers would be held liable for any defects for any time period on a car?
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07 ML63 Silver Dead at 85k, 14 RS5, 05 SL600
ML63 Catastrophic engine failure at 133k km (85k miles)
Just because there are that many people listed in the case doesn't mean that many people have issues or ever will. I have worked for MB through the whole life of the engine and when a 63 engine goes confetti flies throughout the department. That being said it never happens although it would be huge money for us even under warranty. I have only dealt with one myself on a BS, but that was due to an injector failing and filling the engine with fuel causing it to hydrolock. I am really interested what real failure numbers they are dealing with instead of a "how many people own an AMG" number. Also them expecting them to have repaired it under a recall doesnt seem like it would hold up as it's not a safety issue, but I am no expert. That would mean all car manufacturers would be held liable for any defects for any time period on a car?
Meeting with MB Canada tomorrow to see if they will help me. I know another ML63 driver who had a similar failure after only 4 years but he didn't get the extended wanantee. So theres another instance for you. He bought the ML after he and his wife test drove mine as a favour to the dealer. Cost him more than 10k if I was told right.
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Ive got a 2013 c63, 5,000km and that same ticking sound on the left bank every cold start. Still got 3 years warranty so im going to take it back to the dealer show them the lawsuit in the US and report back for any of us in AUS
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so the net is... A seller may knowingly sell a defective product covered by an express warranty, and if the product fails after the expiration of the warranty term and the buyer has to pay for repair of the product, the seller is not in breach of warranty.
Once the car is out of warranty, the manufacturer is off the hook!
Once the car is out of warranty, the manufacturer is off the hook!
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ML63 2010 POS
I have a 2010 ML63 and it has spent the majority of this year in the shop. First it was head bolts that they replaced which took three months. In the process, they shorted the distribution system which I got to pay to replace, then fuel injectors, etc.
I had to pay half the costs for the head bolts after quite a bit of arguing since they weren’t going to do anything at all initially which cost me ~$4000. Once month later, it’s back in the shop and needs the engine reconstructed because the tensioner guide broke off and destroyed the engine. This is a 100k+ POS and MB has no problem stealing from its customers and pawning off this crap under the guise of a luxury, high performance vehicle.
I had to pay half the costs for the head bolts after quite a bit of arguing since they weren’t going to do anything at all initially which cost me ~$4000. Once month later, it’s back in the shop and needs the engine reconstructed because the tensioner guide broke off and destroyed the engine. This is a 100k+ POS and MB has no problem stealing from its customers and pawning off this crap under the guise of a luxury, high performance vehicle.
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2011 E63 M156 :) - previously: 2016 GLE63 with U21 (missed); 2012 ML550 , ML63 2009 - E550 W212 2010
I have a 2010 ML63 and it has spent the majority of this year in the shop. First it was head bolts that they replaced which took three months. In the process, they shorted the distribution system which I got to pay to replace, then fuel injectors, etc.
I had to pay half the costs for the head bolts after quite a bit of arguing since they weren’t going to do anything at all initially which cost me ~$4000. Once month later, it’s back in the shop and needs the engine reconstructed because the tensioner guide broke off and destroyed the engine. This is a 100k+ POS and MB has no problem stealing from its customers and pawning off this crap under the guise of a luxury, high performance vehicle.
I had to pay half the costs for the head bolts after quite a bit of arguing since they weren’t going to do anything at all initially which cost me ~$4000. Once month later, it’s back in the shop and needs the engine reconstructed because the tensioner guide broke off and destroyed the engine. This is a 100k+ POS and MB has no problem stealing from its customers and pawning off this crap under the guise of a luxury, high performance vehicle.
ML63 2009. 61k miles. CPO warranty.
Previous owner was affected by head bolt issue and bolts were replaced.
15k miles later at 60k I picked up the vehicle and at 61k the camshaft noise started to become very loud.
They replaced camshafts, adjusters and lifters and start to finish took 3 days.
I cannot complain about the service. Do I wish the engine would not have needed any repairs - yes but at least now all the known quirks have been addressed.
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Finally got a response after over a month waiting.
$19K to rebuild the engine. Even the dealer was shocked at the cost MB quoted. Just told them to put the engine back in. I'm going to sell it for parts and go buy a real car.
$19K to rebuild the engine. Even the dealer was shocked at the cost MB quoted. Just told them to put the engine back in. I'm going to sell it for parts and go buy a real car.
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Hi folks,
I'm possibly buying an R63 in the near future, and, kind of came across this thread when searching for 'problems' and 'R63' in google.
How prevalent is this problem?
Is this something that if don't hear the ticking sound by 100K miles, then you likely need not worry, or, is this basically a ticking time bomb that will eventually be the death of all M156 engines sooner or later?
I'm possibly buying an R63 in the near future, and, kind of came across this thread when searching for 'problems' and 'R63' in google.
How prevalent is this problem?
Is this something that if don't hear the ticking sound by 100K miles, then you likely need not worry, or, is this basically a ticking time bomb that will eventually be the death of all M156 engines sooner or later?
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Hi folks,
I'm possibly buying an R63 in the near future, and, kind of came across this thread when searching for 'problems' and 'R63' in google.
How prevalent is this problem?
Is this something that if don't hear the ticking sound by 100K miles, then you likely need not worry, or, is this basically a ticking time bomb that will eventually be the death of all M156 engines sooner or later?
I'm possibly buying an R63 in the near future, and, kind of came across this thread when searching for 'problems' and 'R63' in google.
How prevalent is this problem?
Is this something that if don't hear the ticking sound by 100K miles, then you likely need not worry, or, is this basically a ticking time bomb that will eventually be the death of all M156 engines sooner or later?
Due to the rarity of the R63 and the sweet *** status I would purchase and replace the headbolts with the revised style. IIRC there are less than 10 imported into the US
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Is that all that is ultimately required in order to 'diffuse the bomb' so to speak? Is this a procedure that most MB Dealers are now familiar with? Would you know what they're charging to get this done (as I might as well factor this in to my purchase price)?
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And there's (another) R63 being sold local to me
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/cto/5379656757.html
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Considering an R63
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And there's (another) R63 being sold local to me
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/cto/5379656757.html
And there's (another) R63 being sold local to me
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/cto/5379656757.html
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Thanks for the feedback!
Is that all that is ultimately required in order to 'diffuse the bomb' so to speak? Is this a procedure that most MB Dealers are now familiar with? Would you know what they're charging to get this done (as I might as well factor this in to my purchase price)?
Is that all that is ultimately required in order to 'diffuse the bomb' so to speak? Is this a procedure that most MB Dealers are now familiar with? Would you know what they're charging to get this done (as I might as well factor this in to my purchase price)?
Has somebody a clue about the cost to fix these 2 problems ?
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2004 E55.98 SS Camaro.Jetta TDI. Expedition
Should have been recalled years ago problem or not. Would not touch this motor/platform even if it was free. Too many high cost issues. 12 seconds cars are not that rare now.
