Going TWINCHARGED for the new build!
10-27-2011, 02:59 PM
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LOL, badges already made!
I am sending this PEEK A BOO block out to be used for R&D on sleeve set.
PS, if holes in AMG 55 blocks bother you, then close your eyes!
I am sending this PEEK A BOO block out to be used for R&D on sleeve set.
PS, if holes in AMG 55 blocks bother you, then close your eyes!
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E63 Biturbo, UPD Cold Air induction kit, UPD performance crank pulley and UPD adjustable rear suspension with ride height adjustment.
CL55 UPD Cold Air Boost kit, UPD 3000 stall converter, UPD 77mm SC clutched pulley and beltwrap kit, Custom long tubes, UPD crank pulley , UPD suspension kit, UPD SC pulley, Aux. HE, Trunk tank w/rule 2000 pump, Mezeire pump, UPD 5pc idler set, Aluminum rotor hats.
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10-27-2011, 03:05 PM
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The "wanna go fast" money spent on this project so far could of been spent on a 911 Turbo PDK and give it a simple tune, or the new TTE63 with some headers/tune work in my opinion anyway but it's your money and your car and I'm interested to see the end result. How much could the transmission and the stock diff take? How will the reliability be like after? CL's aren't the best reliable cars out there infact I can recall reading somewhere that it's one of the top few most unreliable cars out there. Good luck with your build, it will be challenging.
10-27-2011, 03:12 PM
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Most are sequential, not compound, that way at transition the blower comes offline (+60 to 80 hp). Our cars have the bypass valve, that can allow the blower to be bypassed at BAR 1.2, for higher boost from turbos.
Here is what the bypass valve looks like,
https://mbworld.org/forums/2195279-post66.html
Here is what the bypass valve looks like,
https://mbworld.org/forums/2195279-post66.html
Yacht Master hit the nail on the head. If you can make that bypass valve work to accept both the low RPM boost from the S/C and then transition to the high RPM boost from the turbos with a perfect RPM transition, then you'll have a true high HP Twin-Charged system. To just add the turbo boost and feed it directly into the S/C is not going to give you high HP since the S/C will become overwhelmed with boost from the intake side.
I've seen a 1988 Toyota MR2 with a stock Supercharged 1.6 liter with an added HKS single turbo kit added to it. The kit came with a bypass valve which after 3,750 RPMs, the S/C boost was released and it ran on just turbo boost. That little 1.6 made an astonishing 420 hp!!
10-27-2011, 03:26 PM
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10-27-2011, 03:41 PM
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Wonder how much this will cost when said and done. Turbos alone are close to $3,000 if I'm correct. But can't wait.. I feel like I'm 10 again and can't sleep because I can't wait to see what's under the tree... Lmfao
10-27-2011, 03:47 PM
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wouldnt a built v12 65 motor with bigger turbos make more sense? i think it would make just as much HP and cost less... if you really want a lot of power, i'd sell your cl55 and pick up a 65
10-27-2011, 06:37 PM
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10-27-2011, 06:48 PM
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10-27-2011, 07:01 PM
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I'm thinking the same thing, or you can pick up a lower mile V12TT CL600 with AMG package for 20K and mod the heck out of it as other have done with the V12TT 600 motor.
What ever you do it will be hella cool, nice to see the CL platform being pushed !!!
10-27-2011, 08:44 PM
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10-27-2011, 09:08 PM
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The "wanna go fast" money spent on this project so far could of been spent on a 911 Turbo PDK and give it a simple tune, or the new TTE63 with some headers/tune work in my opinion anyway but it's your money and your car and I'm interested to see the end result. How much could the transmission and the stock diff take? How will the reliability be like after? CL's aren't the best reliable cars out there infact I can recall reading somewhere that it's one of the top few most unreliable cars out there. Good luck with your build, it will be challenging.
With that said, I can't find a single reason that makes me justify doing a twin charged setup. Sure the lower end torque is nice, but it's also kinda useless. You can have dual GTX3071R's, make 900whp and have full boost come around at about 3000rpm. The best part is that it'll still make about 800lb-ft of torque which is enough to smoke any tire known to man that'll fit this car. All while keeping it simple.
Don't let me stop you though cause this will be interesting to watch no doubt.
10-27-2011, 10:30 PM
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give buckhead imports a call. they just did a twin charged crossfire which has the m/b 3.2 v6 s/c engine in it. full rebuild , bored then sleeved and installed ross pistons at 8 to 1 compression. last week they nailed 30 psi!!
10-28-2011, 05:07 AM
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It's not about the money spent on his vehicle, it's about doing something he likes. Just buying a quicker car isn't fun...building one on the other hand is oodles of fun.
With that said, I can't find a single reason that makes me justify doing a twin charged setup. Sure the lower end torque is nice, but it's also kinda useless. You can have dual GTX3071R's, make 900whp and have full boost come around at about 3000rpm. The best part is that it'll still make about 800lb-ft of torque which is enough to smoke any tire known to man that'll fit this car. All while keeping it simple.
Don't let me stop you though cause this will be interesting to watch no doubt.
With that said, I can't find a single reason that makes me justify doing a twin charged setup. Sure the lower end torque is nice, but it's also kinda useless. You can have dual GTX3071R's, make 900whp and have full boost come around at about 3000rpm. The best part is that it'll still make about 800lb-ft of torque which is enough to smoke any tire known to man that'll fit this car. All while keeping it simple.
Don't let me stop you though cause this will be interesting to watch no doubt.
I hate when people talk about "cost effectiveness", real enthusiasts are broke 
because they spend all their money on their cars. Some guy on this TV show built a car in his kitchen but didn't think of how to get it out and had to demolish the wall to take it out. My point is some people just like some cars and it's not just a car, it's a goal, maybe a bigger engine, a better car etc would do the job faster but I don't think that's the point. (To Top Gear watchers) If there's a Morris Marina owners club then anything is possible in this world Besides, people like him "waste" money as guinea pigs which might make it easier for the rest of us when they find solutions to problems so appreciate the build and the initiative
10-28-2011, 07:26 AM
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This sounds incredible but like ahmad0658 asked, what are you gonna do about the internals...or have you already built it up. By the way our engines are open deck right? What power figures are you looking for?
I wanna see the fuel consumption too The new 5.5 V8s are incredibly fuel efficient for their size and power, direct injection and precision tuning have really resulted in an awesome engine. Sucks for the 63 guys because now the R&D is gonna be shifted towards the new engines. The 63 is an awesome engine but the new one is
I wanna see the fuel consumption too
The new 5.5 V8s are incredibly fuel efficient for their size and power, direct injection and precision tuning have really resulted in an awesome engine. Sucks for the 63 guys because now the R&D is gonna be shifted towards the new engines. The 63 is an awesome engine but the new one is believe me it drink gas more than what my modded 55k.
a simple example crusing at 140km rpm2000 for 120km will suck 1/4 the tank ( gas is 93 )
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10-28-2011, 08:09 AM
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Not only are the plumbing bits chalenging, getting the ECU to co-operate and getting the tune right for compound / dual charging is going to be something else. Reckon stand alone ECU is only way to go with this.
I think there are two routes to go here ....
1.) Bigger blower.
OR
2.) 2 x GT35's
Doing both is going to be a friggin nightmare.
I think there are two routes to go here ....
1.) Bigger blower.
OR
2.) 2 x GT35's
Doing both is going to be a friggin nightmare.
10-28-2011, 08:46 AM
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Not only are the plumbing bits chalenging, getting the ECU to co-operate and getting the tune right for compound / dual charging is going to be something else. Reckon stand alone ECU is only way to go with this.
I think there are two routes to go here ....
1.) Bigger blower.
OR
2.) 2 x GTX3071's
Doing both is going to be a friggin nightmare.
I think there are two routes to go here ....
1.) Bigger blower.
OR
2.) 2 x GTX3071's
Doing both is going to be a friggin nightmare.
10-28-2011, 08:52 AM
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I said the same thing!!! ditch the blower and all the junk that goes with it(rear tank)extra cooling,huge heatexchanger and just run 2 mid range turbos.
you will get 600ftlbs by 3500 rpms if done right and save wieght and not have to worry about a volcano blowing hot air into your engine.
look at the new 5.5 guys,its builds low end just like our cars and makes more than anyone I know with just a tune.
you will get 600ftlbs by 3500 rpms if done right and save wieght and not have to worry about a volcano blowing hot air into your engine.
look at the new 5.5 guys,its builds low end just like our cars and makes more than anyone I know with just a tune.
10-28-2011, 09:50 AM
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If you want to see the effectivness of the twin charge system - head to houston and do some roll racing with some Ford GT. The twin charge ones eat the lunch of the TT only Ford GT on the street. Yes, the TT only ford GT makes more power but lacks all the low end grunt the twin charge GT have.
10-28-2011, 10:22 AM
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If you want to see the effectivness of the twin charge system - head to houston and do some roll racing with some Ford GT. The twin charge ones eat the lunch of the TT only Ford GT on the street. Yes, the TT only ford GT makes more power but lacks all the low end grunt the twin charge GT have.
true....i know a guy had his ford gt twin charged and now Twin Turbos he is going back to twin charged he says its not as quick too much lag...he misses the instant torque.
10-28-2011, 10:28 AM
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If you want to see the effectivness of the twin charge system - head to houston and do some roll racing with some Ford GT. The twin charge ones eat the lunch of the TT only Ford GT on the street. Yes, the TT only ford GT makes more power but lacks all the low end grunt the twin charge GT have.
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