Going TWINCHARGED for the new build!
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Going TWINCHARGED for the new build!
Some shops are talking about larger superchargers (old tech) but 98Aggie and I have been working on a TWINCHARGED system for the 55. Shardul will be up to speed on the project soon and he may be next! In case you are not famliar with this, there is no better HP combo made (IMO)! This is the reason the Ford GT`s with this set up are damn near un-beatable on the street, Texas mile and 1/4 mile.
Below is A new CTS-V Caddy build with this set up , juSt to give you a general idea. Advantages are HUGE low Torque from the Supercharger and immense 4000 rpm and up Turbo power! One stock supercharger, will be feed by TWIZIES (twin turbos). System will be run on a stand alone and meeting with the people to set that up and take care of the MAP sensor needs up front.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH90HTa4x4w
Below is A new CTS-V Caddy build with this set up , juSt to give you a general idea. Advantages are HUGE low Torque from the Supercharger and immense 4000 rpm and up Turbo power! One stock supercharger, will be feed by TWIZIES (twin turbos). System will be run on a stand alone and meeting with the people to set that up and take care of the MAP sensor needs up front.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH90HTa4x4w
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CL55 UPD Cold Air Boost kit, UPD 3000 stall converter, UPD 77mm SC clutched pulley and beltwrap kit, Custom long tubes, UPD crank pulley , UPD suspension kit, UPD SC pulley, Aux. HE, Trunk tank w/rule 2000 pump, Mezeire pump, UPD 5pc idler set, Aluminum rotor hats.
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Eurocharged Performance ML63 and TT lambo
wouldn't exactly call that new technology since its already been done years ago on a C32. (twins and sc together)
but, should be a cool build...
but, should be a cool build...
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I'm more interested in what system you are going to use for the stand alone and what you are going to do with the throttle. The lack of tuning software is the single, most dreadful thing this platform has.
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Our marine engines 1400 to 35,000 horsepower have used super+turbo chargers for years.
This is a huge step in the right direction, It is the most correct path, to a mountain of torque.
Those that claim "turbo" is better, "get rid of the supercharger", are just ill-informed.
Our blower by pass lends it's self well to the addition of a turbo, not to mention the clutch on the supercharger.
FADEC rules the day!
My hats off,
This is a huge step in the right direction, It is the most correct path, to a mountain of torque.
Those that claim "turbo" is better, "get rid of the supercharger", are just ill-informed.
Our blower by pass lends it's self well to the addition of a turbo, not to mention the clutch on the supercharger.
FADEC rules the day!
My hats off,
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a twin turbo gt40r setup would be way better and you would take out about 150 lbs worth of supercharger junk.
We have plenty of displacment so why bother with keeping the blower?It robs about 100hp just to spin it.
Look at the new 5.5 twin,its making 650 rwt with just a tune,imagine what that car will do with 2 gt40rs spooling up.
a better more responsive setup would be 2 gt30rs or a gt35r since 1 gt40r will flow 700hp
If I were to do it I would go with 2 gt30r's with a 56trim since those will make 400-425whp each on pump gas and spool faster than the supercharger clutch can engage.We dont have a little 2.0 liter 4 banger lol we can spool turbos up like nothing with our moster 5.5 v8
I just hate our blowers,they get super hot,rob power and jerk the car,need so much cooling just to keep the intake temps down etc.
If you are going with this imagine how much stuff you could remove if you got rid of the blower.
We have plenty of displacment so why bother with keeping the blower?It robs about 100hp just to spin it.
Look at the new 5.5 twin,its making 650 rwt with just a tune,imagine what that car will do with 2 gt40rs spooling up.
a better more responsive setup would be 2 gt30rs or a gt35r since 1 gt40r will flow 700hp
If I were to do it I would go with 2 gt30r's with a 56trim since those will make 400-425whp each on pump gas and spool faster than the supercharger clutch can engage.We dont have a little 2.0 liter 4 banger lol we can spool turbos up like nothing with our moster 5.5 v8
I just hate our blowers,they get super hot,rob power and jerk the car,need so much cooling just to keep the intake temps down etc.
If you are going with this imagine how much stuff you could remove if you got rid of the blower.
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I love those ROTREX blowers but looking for a nice clean twincharged system that we can all easilly install and not get the better half to mad about the cost. hehe
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Compound boost baby
Funny you decided on this Brooke, as the shop as I was at this past weekend for my dynojet pull had a terminator with the stock eaton and twins. The twins ended up been to much for the eaton, as it could not keep up with the copious amounts of air the twins were forcing down it's throat. The car stopped making power even as the boost was raised and raised. They took the eaton off, and replaced it with a custom intake so that the twins could feed the motor directly, and viola, it started making power again as boost increased.
The customer was still not satisfied as he wants a full weight 9 second street car, so they added nitrous to the twin setup.
I wanted to put this out there as I am not sure how the compressor will re-act with monster air forced down it's throat.
This is going to be insane.
Funny you decided on this Brooke, as the shop as I was at this past weekend for my dynojet pull had a terminator with the stock eaton and twins. The twins ended up been to much for the eaton, as it could not keep up with the copious amounts of air the twins were forcing down it's throat. The car stopped making power even as the boost was raised and raised. They took the eaton off, and replaced it with a custom intake so that the twins could feed the motor directly, and viola, it started making power again as boost increased.
The customer was still not satisfied as he wants a full weight 9 second street car, so they added nitrous to the twin setup.
I wanted to put this out there as I am not sure how the compressor will re-act with monster air forced down it's throat.
This is going to be insane.
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Here is what the bypass valve looks like,
https://mbworld.org/forums/2195279-post66.html
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This sounds incredible but like ahmad0658 asked, what are you gonna do about the internals...or have you already built it up. By the way our engines are open deck right? What power figures are you looking for?
I wanna see the fuel consumption too
The new 5.5 V8s are incredibly fuel efficient for their size and power, direct injection and precision tuning have really resulted in an awesome engine. Sucks for the 63 guys because now the R&D is gonna be shifted towards the new engines. The 63 is an awesome engine but the new one is 
I wanna see the fuel consumption too
The new 5.5 V8s are incredibly fuel efficient for their size and power, direct injection and precision tuning have really resulted in an awesome engine. Sucks for the 63 guys because now the R&D is gonna be shifted towards the new engines. The 63 is an awesome engine but the new one is 
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Wish we could find out who did Bin Sullayems C32.
He friggin loves it! Can't imagine on the 55
Full article and specs here
He friggin loves it! Can't imagine on the 55
Full article and specs here
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I wish you all the best and hope you can make it happen. A Twin-Charged 55K would be Amazing. Best of luck to you bro!!
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Some shops are talking about larger superchargers (old tech) but 98Aggie and I have been working on a TWINCHARGED system for the 55. Shardul will be up to speed on the project soon and he may be next! In case you are not famliar with this, there is no better HP combo made (IMO)! This is the reason the Ford GT`s with this set up are damn near un-beatable on the street, Texas mile and 1/4 mile.
Below is A new CTS-V Caddy build with this set up , juSt to give you a general idea. Advantages are HUGE low Torque from the Supercharger and immense 4000 rpm and up Turbo power! One stock supercharger, will be feed by TWIZIES (twin turbos). System will be run on a stand alone and meeting with the people to set that up and take care of the MAP sensor needs up front.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH90HTa4x4w
Below is A new CTS-V Caddy build with this set up , juSt to give you a general idea. Advantages are HUGE low Torque from the Supercharger and immense 4000 rpm and up Turbo power! One stock supercharger, will be feed by TWIZIES (twin turbos). System will be run on a stand alone and meeting with the people to set that up and take care of the MAP sensor needs up front.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH90HTa4x4w
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If only you could figure out how to use the stock ecu for this project. Will the car still be street legal, I've heard that going with a stand alone system you will lose the ability to use your obdii for emissions. Sounds like a hell of a project, can't wait to see this monster.
Is the plan to run the supercharger to a certain rpm so that the turbos can spool and give you top end power?
Is the plan to run the supercharger to a certain rpm so that the turbos can spool and give you top end power?
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Most are sequential, not compound, that way at transition the blower comes offline (+60 to 80 hp). Our cars have the bypass valve, that can allow the blower to be bypassed at BAR 1.2, for higher boost from turbos.
Here is what the bypass valve looks like,
https://mbworld.org/forums/2195279-post66.html
Here is what the bypass valve looks like,
https://mbworld.org/forums/2195279-post66.html
My bottom end has pistons but Since I have 3 broken engines at my office now, I plan to sleeve one to build all the way.
Jack, No you may not use my heads!! I plan to get this motor back online real quick to race in the cold weather and then follow up with my twincharged build. These motors come in and out pretty easy with a little practice. lol
The 5 Litre Whipple can handle huge power (over 1500hp) and 98Aggie has contacts to have the Whipple manifold cast for our block or at least a 4L. Just looking at options and making a list of peps to speak with at SEMA. Then with large twin turbos, both charging systems can run at less than max strain and still make well over 1000 hp. May need a powerglide to handle this though.. just kidding
Whipple 5L link http://www.whipplesuperchargers.com/...dimensions.pdf
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CL55 UPD Cold Air Boost kit, UPD 3000 stall converter, UPD 77mm SC clutched pulley and beltwrap kit, Custom long tubes, UPD crank pulley , UPD suspension kit, UPD SC pulley, Aux. HE, Trunk tank w/rule 2000 pump, Mezeire pump, UPD 5pc idler set, Aluminum rotor hats.
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