W211 AMG Discuss the W211 AMG's such as the E55 and the E63

Slightly OT: F10 M5 Acceleration video posted

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Old Nov 10, 2011 | 04:49 AM
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Wink Slightly OT: F10 M5 Acceleration video posted

Look at it here


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wzv2Bc4ylGY


Some preliminary figures (in KM/H , sorry i dont do MPH) from Motorsport
0-100km/h: 3.8s
0-160km/h: 7.7s
0-200km/h: 11.6s
0-250km/h: 18.8s


CLS63 PP (Autobild sportcars)
0-100km/h: 4.1s
0-160km/h: 8.4s
0-200km/h: 12.5s

Here is magazine data for my CLS55 for comparison
0-100: 4.7s
0-160: 10.6s
0-200: 15.4s
0-250: 24.0s


And here is

Whats most impressive is the 62.5mph-125mph time (similar to your US 60-130)

F10 M5 : 7.8s
CLS63 PP: 8.4s
CLS55 Stock: 10.7s
My CLS55 with seconday cats removed and race exhaust: 10.48s


So overall may be slightly quicker. We'll see how the M5 transmission handles tuning, from what i gather in the forum CLS's 7-speed slasher is doing ok with 650+HP

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Old Nov 10, 2011 | 12:06 PM
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2 Seconds difference 0-160 is a few carlengths. 3 Seconds difference 0-200 is an eternity.

The F10 will dog a CLS63 if this is the case.
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Old Nov 10, 2011 | 12:13 PM
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Yup, there's no doubt the new M5 will be a beast of a car...
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Old Nov 10, 2011 | 12:20 PM
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I mentioned in the other thread that this is an 11.5s 1/4 mile. Very impressive for a stock saloon.
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Old Nov 10, 2011 | 12:41 PM
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Old Nov 10, 2011 | 01:09 PM
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Which CLS63 ? the 2012 TT or 6.2NA ?
2012TT with the Performance Pack.

Vs. the E would be a more straight up comparison, but so far the acceleration numbers I've seen have the M5 ahead still.
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Old Nov 10, 2011 | 01:30 PM
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2 diff mags so the comparos are not equal... and of course its mag racing but since we are on the topic---

The latest Car and Driver has the F10 and CLSTT with PP

0-60 at 3.7 for the F10 and 3.8 for the CLS
0-100 at 8.3 for both
both have 122 traps in the quarter
F10 is faster to 150 by half a second though


but since we live in the real world- we know that the a non PP CLS with a tune by RT and soft launches runs 125 traps and 11.3 in the quarter.
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Old Nov 10, 2011 | 01:43 PM
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complete list of 100-200 kph http://audisrs.com/archive/performan...__t_21089.html

7.8 seconds puts the M5 with the LP640.. a number somewhat questionable considering the M5 is down about 70 HP and some 600 lbs heavier
8.4 puts the CLS next to the 977TT (doesn't specify what generation probably pre-facelift) and the F430. Also puts it ahead of the SL65
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They should compare E63TT to the M5.
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Old Nov 10, 2011 | 05:35 PM
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They should compare E63TT to the M5.
I would love to see that.
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Old Nov 11, 2011 | 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by RedBullJnky
I would love to see that.
They did. German magazine Auto Zeitung. M5 vs E63TT with performance package. M5 faster across the spectrum.

0-100km/h- 4.1 vs 4.2

0-160km/h- 8.2 vs 8.5

0-200km/h- 12.3 vs 12.7.

Panemera Turbo S was tested as well. M5 just a little slower than Panemera across the board
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Old Nov 11, 2011 | 02:05 AM
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Cant wait to see Gustavs videos of the F10 M5 beating a tuned e63tt.... lmao
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Old Nov 11, 2011 | 02:18 AM
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I have a hard time believing the fat pig F10 still beats a same power number 200-300 lb. lighter E63....
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The M5 does NOT look better than the MB though.
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Old Nov 11, 2011 | 07:57 AM
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The M5 does NOT look better than the MB though.
That's just a personal opinion though. I love the E63 but I also really like the M5.
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I have a hard time believing the fat pig F10 still beats a same power number 200-300 lb. lighter E63....
Gearing.

Originally Posted by Juggernaut23
The M5 does NOT look better than the MB though.
I'm on the fence. I really, really like the F10. Great lines, I definitely like it better than the blocky 212.
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Old Nov 11, 2011 | 09:30 AM
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Gearing.



I'm on the fence. I really, really like the F10. Great lines, I definitely like it better than the blocky 212.
^^^ This
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Originally Posted by citylightva
I have a hard time believing the fat pig F10 still beats a same power number 200-300 lb. lighter E63....
As Cylinder said.. gearing and the better/more efficient true auto clutch manual DCT tranny. Faster shifts- less DT loss makes the BMW formidable up top ... again and now down low. Should be a toss up between the E and the F10 IMHO.
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Old Nov 15, 2011 | 05:45 AM
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just to make sure the numbers are correct, i am posting here the available test times for CLS63PP

http://www.germancarforum.com/cls-cl...e-package.html

http://www.germancarforum.com/intern...-powerkit.html


The same Magazine that tested the M5 0-200km/h at 11.6s had the CLS63PP clock a 13.2s time (so slower). M5 scan with times is still not online so i will post when it gets scanned
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Old Nov 15, 2011 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Cylinder Head
Gearing.



I'm on the fence. I really, really like the F10. Great lines, I definitely like it better than the blocky 212.
How does the new M5 have better gearing?
it was played out allot on the E60....but do you actually have any figures for the new one, or is it just knee jerk reaction?
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Old Nov 15, 2011 | 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Vic55
2 diff mags so the comparos are not equal... and of course its mag racing but since we are on the topic---

The latest Car and Driver has the F10 and CLSTT with PP

0-60 at 3.7 for the F10 and 3.8 for the CLS
0-100 at 8.3 for both
both have 122 traps in the quarter
F10 is faster to 150 by half a second though


but since we live in the real world- we know that the a non PP CLS with a tune by RT and soft launches runs 125 traps and 11.3 in the quarter.
to 150 it will be upto reaction time.. no car in stock form will pull away from 0 to 150..
after 150.. I give the edge to the M-DCT.

The lighter E chassic could have a sligh edge... but again back to reaction time, and to so many little factors.

Gone are the days.. the M5 was 3 seconds faster to 150... that was bus lengths..

In my book, if the handling is closer to the M5, has top end power just a the M5, the CLS63, E63 is fine car.

M5 is a super sedan and the AMG cars are right there as well. Respect to both companies.
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How does the new M5 have better gearing?
it was played out allot on the E60....but do you actually have any figures for the new one, or is it just knee jerk reaction?
M-DCT is like SMGIII on steroids. Twin clutches on a real sequential transmission and short gearing. Each clutch works its own gearset.

The Mercedes MCT on the other hand is the same long-geared 7 speed mercedes has been using but with a wet startup clutch instead of a torque converter.
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Originally Posted by Cylinder Head
M-DCT is like SMGIII on steroids. Twin clutches on a real sequential transmission and short gearing. Each clutch works its own gearset.

The Mercedes MCT on the other hand is the same long-geared 7 speed mercedes has been using but with a wet startup clutch instead of a torque converter.
yes we know it shifts fast..but do you /have you actually seen the ratios?
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yes we know it shifts fast..but do you /have you actually seen the ratios?
Yes. They're tighter on the BMW. Would you like me to sign an affadavit Zod?
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