W211 AMG Discuss the W211 AMG's such as the E55 and the E63

BMW M5 v Mercedes E63 AMG v Porsche Panamera S v Jaguar XFR Drag race

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Old Dec 7, 2011 | 05:28 PM
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BMW M5 v Mercedes E63 AMG v Porsche Panamera S v Jaguar XFR Drag race

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Old Dec 7, 2011 | 05:32 PM
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MB should offer the PP as standard.
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Old Dec 7, 2011 | 05:35 PM
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Show me a PP e63 vs m5, then ill make a judgement
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Old Dec 7, 2011 | 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by AKnight55
Show me a PP e63 vs m5, then ill make a judgement
That was a PP E63.
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Old Dec 7, 2011 | 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by iAMGod
That was a PP E63.
Really?? Because I have both it was and wasnt a PP.. Regardless if thats true, then something is seriously wrong here.. I mean I know the 63 got a bad jump (m5 was clearly launching it), but I would figure if it was a PP that it would real the m5 in quite easily.. I mean 550 hp and 590 lb-ft vs 560 hp and 500 lb-ft..
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Old Dec 7, 2011 | 08:09 PM
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its not a PP as said earlier... the e63 in that vid had 516 trq which is not the pp trq figures of 590 ... it can be seen on EVO's article since they did the vid

http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2011/12/...-Race-7706194/

http://www.automobilesreview.com/aut...r-video/36403/
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Old Dec 7, 2011 | 08:20 PM
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Thats what I thought.
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Old Dec 7, 2011 | 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by AKnight55
Thats what I thought.
You thought wrong, as did "gapsam". Read the original article. The Benz HAD the PP. While they are close in straight line, the BMW is still faster as it has a better gearbox and likely makes more power than stated.
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Old Dec 7, 2011 | 09:26 PM
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You thought wrong, as did "gapsam". Read the original article. The Benz HAD the PP. While they are close in straight line, the BMW is still faster as it has a better gearbox and likely makes more power than stated.
wrong... you can clearly see this e63 has 518hp... that makes it the NON PP version

http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2011/12/...-Race-7706194/

"Some of the world's finest sports sedans are put to the test in this 1,000 meter drag race.

One of our favorite car enthusiast magazines, Evo, has just released this short but great video of a drag race between four of the fastest and most desired sport sedans on the market. Pitting a BMW M5, a Porsche Panamera S, Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG, and a Jaguar XFR up against one another should definitely be an interesting experience. But the big question is who reigns supreme in this 1,000 meter race? But no matter the winner, each machine is an incredible work of modern technology.

The M5 is powered by a 4.4-liter turbocharged V8 with 560hp, the Panamera S has a 4.8-liter V8 with 400hp, the E63 AMG sports a 6.3-liter V8 with 518hp, and the XFR is equipped with a 5.0-liter supercharged V8 with 510hp."
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It also says 6.3 liter

They got there facts all wrong.. The new TT is a 5.5 liter.. Im not sure what to think now..
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Old Dec 7, 2011 | 09:45 PM
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the other article says 5.5L and still shows its not PP since it only has 516trq vvvv

http://www.automobilesreview.com/aut...r-video/36403/

"Here is an interesting battle between four sports saloons -- BMW M5 F10, Porsche Panamera S, Mercedes E63 AMG and Jaguar XFR. All come with extremely powerful engines, aerodynamics packages, huge rims and brake systems, and good ride comfort.
First, the latest BMW M5 powered by a brilliant twin-turbo 4.4-liter V8 with 560PS (412 kW) at 5750RPM and 680Nm(502 lb-ft) at just 1500RPM. The engine has M TwinPower Turbo technology, twin-scroll turbochargers, high-precision direct fuel injection, VALVETRONIC variable valve control and a cross-bank exhaust manifold meaning an acceleration to 100 km/h in just 4.4 seconds, to 200 km/h in 13 seconds and top speed of 250 km/h (limited).
Second is the mighty E63 AMG having a new 5.5 liter bi-turbo V8 delivering 525PS (386 kW) and 700Nm (516 lb-ft) of torque. The acceleration is slightly better than this in M5 – 0 to 100 km/h in 4.3 seconds and the top speed is again 250 km/h (limited)."
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Old Dec 7, 2011 | 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by transferred
You thought wrong, as did "gapsam". Read the original article. The Benz HAD the PP. While they are close in straight line, the BMW is still faster as it has a better gearbox and likely makes more power than stated.
Correct.

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Old Dec 7, 2011 | 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by iAMGod
Correct.

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no where in that link from EVO does it say its the PP one...

"With 552bhp from its twin-turbo 4.4-litre V8 engine, can the all-new F10-generation BMW M5 sports saloon dispatch its rivals in a drag race? The Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG, Porsche Panamera S and Jaguar XFR provide some stiff competition. See the result in the video below..."

thats all it say ^



however 2 other articles actually state that its the NON PP version

http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2011/12/...-Race-7706194/

http://www.automobilesreview.com/aut...r-video/36403/
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I think this gives the race all away to me.. AMG didnt even spin

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Old Dec 7, 2011 | 09:59 PM
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I know its painful for you to accept there are cars that are faster than an E63 PP, but unfortunately there are....I know its a shock you will get over it though and emerge stronger.

Read the rest of the thread.
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Originally Posted by gaspam
no where in that link from EVO does it say its the PP one...

"With 552bhp from its twin-turbo 4.4-litre V8 engine, can the all-new F10-generation BMW M5 sports saloon dispatch its rivals in a drag race? The Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG, Porsche Panamera S and Jaguar XFR provide some stiff competition. See the result in the video below..."

thats all it say ^



however 2 other articles actually state that its the NON PP version

http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2011/12/...-Race-7706194/

http://www.automobilesreview.com/aut...r-video/36403/
Good lord. Yes it does. Look at post 16, where the E63 pics are located. It's from actual Evo not two nondescript little websites you keep posting which are wrong like you and Aknight.

https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...s-vs-xf-r.html
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Originally Posted by transferred
Good lord. Yes it does. Look at post 16, where the E63 pics are located. It's from actual Evo not two nondescript little websites you keep posting which are wrong like you and Aknight.

https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...s-vs-xf-r.html
i was not looking at that article, i was looking at the 2 articles i posted that say its NOT PP which you didnt look at to your 1 that say it is PP... so there 2-1 i win find another article that shows its PP and then we will be even

TT= PP
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Old Dec 7, 2011 | 10:12 PM
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Is the e63tt out yet? If not why doesn't someone with a cls with the pp go and line up with an m5 and get it on video.. Putting $1,000 on the cls
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Old Dec 7, 2011 | 10:13 PM
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I know its painful for you to accept there are cars that are faster than an E63 PP, but unfortunately there are....I know its a shock you will get over it though and emerge stronger.

Read the rest of the thread.
i honestly dont care as i dont plan on getting a 63tt dont need another 4 door... next car will be 911 with evoms kit
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Kudos to the M5... thats hauling
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Why is it so hard to accept that the new M5 hauls ***?
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Why is it so hard to accept that the new M5 hauls ***?
Why is it so hard to tell if its a PP car or not??? Shouldnt be that difficult, either it is or its not.. Not too many options here
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It is rigged, an AMG would never loose to an M, PERIOD!!!
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It is rigged, an AMG would never loose to an M, PERIOD!!!
^ This... and if they got off the line at the same time it would have been a tie regardless.
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The PP cars have stock red calipers unless the car is equipped with the carbon ceramics which would then denote gold calipers.

When you build the car on the mbz website if you pick the PP with the car it forces you take the red calipers or the carbon ceramics.

In the vid what are the caliper colors??

Anyways who cares, its a magazine and a single transaction video. Do we ever take Gustav's vids at face value? I have no doubt it will be a close race one way or the other. The DCT is a more efficient tranny too especially at higher speeds. Lets see some stateside owners run their cars.
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