aghakauve

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zsAp...ature=youtu.be

pearlpower

MB should offer the PP as standard.

AKnight55

Show me a PP e63 vs m5, then ill make a judgement

iAMGod

That was a PP E63.

AKnight55

Really?? Because I have both it was and wasnt a PP.. Regardless if thats true, then something is seriously wrong here.. I mean I know the 63 got a bad jump (m5 was clearly launching it), but I would figure if it was a PP that it would real the m5 in quite easily.. I mean 550 hp and 590 lb-ft vs 560 hp and 500 lb-ft..

gaspam

its not a PP as said earlier... the e63 in that vid had 516 trq which is not the pp trq figures of 590 ... it can be seen on EVO's article since they did the vid

http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2011/12/...-Race-7706194/

http://www.automobilesreview.com/aut...r-video/36403/

AKnight55

Thats what I thought.

transferred

You thought wrong, as did "gapsam". Read the original article. The Benz HAD the PP. While they are close in straight line, the BMW is still faster as it has a better gearbox and likely makes more power than stated.

gaspam

wrong... you can clearly see this e63 has 518hp... that makes it the NON PP version

http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2011/12/...-Race-7706194/

"Some of the world's finest sports sedans are put to the test in this 1,000 meter drag race.

One of our favorite car enthusiast magazines, Evo, has just released this short but great video of a drag race between four of the fastest and most desired sport sedans on the market. Pitting a BMW M5, a Porsche Panamera S, Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG, and a Jaguar XFR up against one another should definitely be an interesting experience. But the big question is who reigns supreme in this 1,000 meter race? But no matter the winner, each machine is an incredible work of modern technology.

The M5 is powered by a 4.4-liter turbocharged V8 with 560hp, the Panamera S has a 4.8-liter V8 with 400hp, the E63 AMG sports a 6.3-liter V8 with 518hp, and the XFR is equipped with a 5.0-liter supercharged V8 with 510hp."

AKnight55

It also says 6.3 liter

They got there facts all wrong.. The new TT is a 5.5 liter.. Im not sure what to think now..

gaspam

the other article says 5.5L and still shows its not PP since it only has 516trq vvvv

http://www.automobilesreview.com/aut...r-video/36403/

"Here is an interesting battle between four sports saloons -- BMW M5 F10, Porsche Panamera S, Mercedes E63 AMG and Jaguar XFR. All come with extremely powerful engines, aerodynamics packages, huge rims and brake systems, and good ride comfort.
First, the latest BMW M5 powered by a brilliant twin-turbo 4.4-liter V8 with 560PS (412 kW) at 5750RPM and 680Nm(502 lb-ft) at just 1500RPM. The engine has M TwinPower Turbo technology, twin-scroll turbochargers, high-precision direct fuel injection, VALVETRONIC variable valve control and a cross-bank exhaust manifold meaning an acceleration to 100 km/h in just 4.4 seconds, to 200 km/h in 13 seconds and top speed of 250 km/h (limited).
Second is the mighty E63 AMG having a new 5.5 liter bi-turbo V8 delivering 525PS (386 kW) and 700Nm (516 lb-ft) of torque. The acceleration is slightly better than this in M5 – 0 to 100 km/h in 4.3 seconds and the top speed is again 250 km/h (limited)."

iAMGod

Correct.

Click

gaspam

no where in that link from EVO does it say its the PP one...

"With 552bhp from its twin-turbo 4.4-litre V8 engine, can the all-new F10-generation BMW M5 sports saloon dispatch its rivals in a drag race? The Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG, Porsche Panamera S and Jaguar XFR provide some stiff competition. See the result in the video below..."

thats all it say ^



however 2 other articles actually state that its the NON PP version

http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2011/12/...-Race-7706194/

http://www.automobilesreview.com/aut...r-video/36403/

AKnight55

I think this gives the race all away to me.. AMG didnt even spin

iAMGod

I know its painful for you to accept there are cars that are faster than an E63 PP, but unfortunately there are....I know its a shock you will get over it though and emerge stronger.

Read the rest of the thread.

transferred

Good lord. Yes it does. Look at post 16, where the E63 pics are located. It's from actual Evo not two nondescript little websites you keep posting which are wrong like you and Aknight.

https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...s-vs-xf-r.html

gaspam

i was not looking at that article, i was looking at the 2 articles i posted that say its NOT PP which you didnt look at to your 1 that say it is PP... so there 2-1 i win find another article that shows its PP and then we will be even

TT= PP

AKnight55

Is the e63tt out yet? If not why doesn't someone with a cls with the pp go and line up with an m5 and get it on video.. Putting $1,000 on the cls

gaspam

i honestly dont care as i dont plan on getting a 63tt dont need another 4 door... next car will be 911 with evoms kit

stevebez

Panamera S? they should have had the turbo for starters.

Kudos to the M5... thats hauling

Cylinder Head

iTrader: (1)

Why is it so hard to accept that the new M5 hauls ***?

AKnight55

Why is it so hard to tell if its a PP car or not??? Shouldnt be that difficult, either it is or its not.. Not too many options here

chawkins2001

It is rigged, an AMG would never loose to an M, PERIOD!!!

Jimshorts

^ This... and if they got off the line at the same time it would have been a tie regardless.

Vic55

The PP cars have stock red calipers unless the car is equipped with the carbon ceramics which would then denote gold calipers.

When you build the car on the mbz website if you pick the PP with the car it forces you take the red calipers or the carbon ceramics.

In the vid what are the caliper colors??

Anyways who cares, its a magazine and a single transaction video. Do we ever take Gustav's vids at face value? I have no doubt it will be a close race one way or the other. The DCT is a more efficient tranny too especially at higher speeds. Lets see some stateside owners run their cars.