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Old Jun 16, 2012 | 12:04 AM
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What happens when you add race gas to a ricer hoopty?

Well this is a bad sign. I can see through my block to the other side



Ruh roh I don't think these are supposed to be here



And thats where it came from



Btw, the CLK55 rods are very similar to E55 and also crack forged. Ricer hoopty powaaaa



Am I the first to break a rod in these motors?

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Old Jun 16, 2012 | 12:08 AM
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Daaaaaamn that thing is blown!

I told you not to hit the NAWS until Toreto was at least two car lengths in front of you. Too soon.
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Old Jun 16, 2012 | 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Cylinder Head
Daaaaaamn that thing is blown!

I told you not to hit the NAWS until Toreto was at least two car lengths in front of you. Too soon.
Yes... yes it is lol

You owe me a 10 second car!

Disclaimer: No nos was used in the breaking of this motor and no animals were harmed
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Old Jun 16, 2012 | 12:25 AM
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That looks like NOS damage!
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Originally Posted by RedBullJnky
Dayum! Now that's Ricer Hoopty Powaaaaaa!

I'm on my way Mr. President. Lol
Haha!
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Pwned by your own girl friend. Hurts my eyes brotha!
Nah, she lasted pretty friggin long wit stock bottom end and whoopin ***. Had to let go sooner or later. Just wish I could have seen its full potential at the track.
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That looks like NOS damage!
What makes you say that? There was no "NOS" used. Everything has its limit and looks like I exceeded that
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Old Jun 16, 2012 | 08:34 AM
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how long were you running the car in kill mode, before it all let go? and was there a huge difference between your pump, and race gas tunes?
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Originally Posted by Blk04e55
Oh Snap :O!

That's how ricer hooptys roll!
Originally Posted by S13REMI
how long were you running the car in kill mode, before it all let go? and was there a huge difference between your pump, and race gas tunes?
Started the pull at the top of second and blew up at the top of third or bottom of fourth. I didn't have a race gas tune. Just a pump gas tune
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Old Jun 16, 2012 | 10:11 AM
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You were making big power on a high compression motor and people are blowing the low compression 55k motor with less power? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmnnnnnnnhgftgf.
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Old Jun 16, 2012 | 10:18 AM
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A little JB Weld and some elbow grease and that will buff right out, haha.

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Old Jun 16, 2012 | 10:30 AM
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sooo..... it was gonna brake inevitably, race gas or not. it was just coincidental that it broke while running it. since race gas doesn't just make more power, its gives you he ability to make more power with a tune that takes advantage of it.. i.e more boost, timing, etc.... (just making sure were all on the same page)
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Old Jun 16, 2012 | 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by kompressede
Too much power "Scotty"

You're a legend, and I look forward to your next build.
Haha thanks
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You were making big power on a high compression motor and people are blowing the low compression 55k motor with less power? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmnnnnnnnhgftgf.
I've had both platforms heavily modded and have seen the insides of both motors after failure. I can tell you most engine failures on the E55 are from a bad tune or a crap pulley. I was dumb and tried a new tuner with my E55. Result was cracked ringlands on all 8 pistons. Sticking with Jerry from Eurocharged from now on. My clk lasted a long time. wasn't pushing the boost you E55 guys are but was getting great power out of the car (making 11psi and never touched the crank pulley). Taping over 130 on a pump gas tune, soft launch, and on 7 cylinders after 90 is pretty good if you ask me. Wish I want so quick to part out. Should have stuck another motor in and ran her with the axles and diff until Darton finishes the sleeves. I bet it would go nines
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A little JB Weld and some elbow grease and that will buff right out, haha.

Nice way to end an era. Literally went out swinging!
Haha yea in sure that will fix it!!! Thanks

Never thought of it that way

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Old Jun 16, 2012 | 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by S13REMI
sooo..... it was gonna brake inevitably, race gas or not. it was just coincidental that it broke while running it. since race gas doesn't just make more power, its gives you he ability to make more power with a tune that takes advantage of it.. i.e more boost, timing, etc.... (just making sure were all on the same page)
Maybe. But just so we are on the same page, adding race gas allows the ecu to run more timing if it was pulling it on pump gas. These ecus can adapt. I've seen my car make more power on the dyno by just putting race gas in it. People from this forum were there to see it too

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Old Jun 16, 2012 | 10:41 AM
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i know ecu's pull timing when they see knock, but do our ecu's really add timing past factory settings if no knock is detected? that sounds kinda crazy to me. and my s13 was a full stand alone car, so it was always tuned for specific set-ups.
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Old Jun 16, 2012 | 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by S13REMI
i know ecu's pull timing when they see knock, but do our ecu's really add timing past factory settings if no knock is detected? that sounds kinda crazy to me. and my s13 was a full stand alone car, so it was always tuned for specific set-ups.
Who said I had a factory tune? Add the ecu will pull timing for factors other than just knock. High IAT being an example
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I've seen my car make more power on the dyno by just putting race gas in it. People from this forum were there to see it too
How much did you pick up?

Those pics are gnarly.
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Old Jun 16, 2012 | 11:08 AM
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Who said I had a factory tune? Add the ecu will pull timing for factors other than just knock. High IAT being an example
yeah, i never realized how bad of heat issues these cars had till the other night i was awe struck at how much power they loose. but back on topic my point is that i cant imagine your tuner, would give you tune thats more aggressive than what 93oct with hopes that your ecu will correct enough that would allow you to run. so the only real advantage to it is that its going to run at the desired timing, and boost levels longer (since from my understanding this is all controlled by our ecu's) and i know to an extent a lot of times race gas burns a little cooler than pump. so sometimes it can help lower your temps a small amount. but im also sure that our intake air is way before the fuel is atomized so it wouldnt even have any effect on that... so realistically there should have been no real power gain just from running race gas, since there was never a tune made for it. just my .02. i dont mean any disrespect by this, i can only hope that some day my car puts down the kinda power yours did. i just wanna clear this up lol (edited late didnt see the 10hp gain, still stand by it was gonna happen on pump or race gas)

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Originally Posted by Denroll
How much did you pick up?

Those pics are gnarly.
Well we finished the pump gas tune and then added a splash of race gas to see what happened... It kept making more power with every pull and then we unstrapped it. I'm going by the shop tonight so maybe I can get an exact delta number if I can remember which pull we added race gas. I want to say over 10whp.

Thanks. I have a ton more pics but I think those sum it up pretty well. Now I have 211 E55 and 208 CLK55 motors torn apart to compare. They are veryyy similar inside. Obviously less of a relief in the piston in the CLK55 for higher compression but everything else looks damn near exactly the same at first glance.

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yeah, i never realized how bad of heat issues these cars had till the other night i was awe struck at how much power they loose. but back on topic my point is that i cant imagine your tuner, would give you tune thats more aggressive than what 93oct with hopes that your ecu will correct enough that would allow you to run. so the only real advantage to it is that its going to run at the desired timing, and boost levels longer (since from my understanding this is all controlled by our ecu's) and i know to an extent a lot of times race gas burns a little cooler than pump. so sometimes it can help lower your temps a small amount. but im also sure that our intake air is way before the fuel is atomized so it wouldnt even have any effect on that... so realistically there should have been no real power gain just from running race gas, since there was never a tune made for it. just my .02. i dont mean any disrespect by this, i can only hope that some day my car puts down the kinda power yours did. i just wanna clear this up lol (edited late didnt see the 10hp gain, still stand by it was gonna happen on pump or race gas)
All I know for sure is the car was making more power after adding race gas and was making more after every pull before we decided to just pull it off as there were other cars waiting for tunes. If you look at my earlierpost I said "maybe" it would have blown on pump, who knows. The fact of the matter is I put leaded 110 in it after I looped the fuel rail and it broke. I've had about 50k supercharged miles on the motor (a little under 50k miles NA) and never broke on pump gas. I'm happy with how long it lasted

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