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Old 12-27-2012, 11:02 PM
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Run 2 x Heat Exchangers on my E55K

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I have just purchased a trunk mounted complete intercooler kit with aftermarket heat exchanger and water pump to split the intercooler system on my E55K, I got this from Eurocharged. I am actually considering retaining my old/existing heat exchanger and having the intercooler fluid pass through both heat exchangers so I give the fluid more chances and surface area to dissipate more heat as it goes through both heat exchangers and I also have a larger quantity of intecooler fluid that the combustion and intake will need to heat up if it wants me to experience heat soak.

What are peoples thoughts on this?

Or should I just remove and not use the standard heat exchanger (but I don't see any advantage doing this)?

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More is better in my opinion, will your pump keep up with the system though?
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It's not the Heat Exchangers that's the problem it's the core
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So my thinking is correct? If I can continually supply the core with the coldest coolant/water as long as possible my combustion temps should stay low for a longer period of time as well?

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So my thinking is correct? If I can continually supply the core with the coldest coolant/water as long as possible my combustion temps should stay low for a longer period of time as well?
Not exactly. if you're not getting the heat OUT of the core it doesn't really matter how many cores you have.

And on the Multi-Core Heat exchangers, the first exchanger can get say 80% (About correct on the efficiency) of the heat out of the exchanger (using 200F discharger temp and lets say it's a 100F day that means it's going to pull 80F out of the intake charge. Now if you add a 2nd core and it too is 80% efficient it's only going to cool the charge by 4F yup 4F (20F*.8) but the flow loss will negate that gain.
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Not exactly. if you're not getting the heat OUT of the core it doesn't really matter how many cores you have.

And on the Multi-Core Heat exchangers, the first exchanger can get say 80% (About correct on the efficiency) of the heat out of the exchanger (using 200F discharger temp and lets say it's a 100F day that means it's going to pull 80F out of the intake charge. Now if you add a 2nd core and it too is 80% efficient it's only going to cool the charge by 4F yup 4F (20F*.8) but the flow loss will negate that gain.
Hi AMGPilot

Thankyou for your response, I did not look at it from the same point of view that you present to me. Much more for me to think about on how to improve (if possible) the split trunk mounted intercooler kit I have on the way from Eurocharged!

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Originally Posted by AMGPilot
Not exactly. if you're not getting the heat OUT of the core it doesn't really matter how many cores you have.

And on the Multi-Core Heat exchangers, the first exchanger can get say 80% (About correct on the efficiency) of the heat out of the exchanger (using 200F discharger temp and lets say it's a 100F day that means it's going to pull 80F out of the intake charge. Now if you add a 2nd core and it too is 80% efficient it's only going to cool the charge by 4F yup 4F (20F*.8) but the flow loss will negate that gain.
20 degrees x 80% is 16 degrees, FWIW, not 4
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RBJ has a similar setup I think he said he uses the EC one up front and a Cobra one under the trunk with an ice tank in the trunk. Not sure how many pumps but most have at least 2 when they add an ice tank, seems to work well enough for him.
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20 degrees x 80% is 16 degrees, FWIW, not 4

That is actually almost raising the efficiency to 90+%
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Originally Posted by SavMan
RBJ has a similar setup I think he said he uses the EC one up front and a Cobra one under the trunk with an ice tank in the trunk. Not sure how many pumps but most have at least 2 when they add an ice tank, seems to work well enough for him.
You are correct sir. I'm running the Eurocharged HE w/ Mezziere pump up front and a Cobra HE mounted under the trunk and 3.5gal trunk tank w/ Rule2000 pump inside the tank. Water goes from trunk tank to SC, then to front HE, then through rear HE then back to trunk tank.
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split cooling and extra heat exchanger

Hay, RedBullJunky Im going to split my cooling system too , but I havent decided which way to go . Rear tank split with two heat exchangers or front resavior small tank with two heat exchangers or one heat exchanger. Can you post some pics or diagram of your set-up . Thanks Badm
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If you are doing a track set up, then get a trunk tank and the Eurocharged HE up front. The ice water goes direct to intercooler and the HE really does not come into play on short 10 to 11 second runs, with pure ice water flwoing in.. If for daily driving, then one large front HE and mez pump with split system and keyed pump wiring is a very effective set up. The extra HE inline may actually slow flow to much and could hurt vs help, since as others said the intercooler brick is the next heat issue.
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Originally Posted by Exotic-metal55
If you are doing a track set up, then get a trunk tank and the Eurocharged HE up front. The ice water goes direct to intercooler and the HE really does not come into play on short 10 to 11 second runs, with pure ice water flwoing in.. If for daily driving, then one large front HE and mez pump with split system and keyed pump wiring is a very effective set up. The extra HE inline may actually slow flow to much and could hurt vs help, since as others said the intercooler brick is the next heat issue.
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Hay , Exoticmetal 55 & Redbulljnk thanks for the advice and direction. I've noticed that these CObra mustangs 03 & 04 and Gt 500 have split cooling . What was Mercedes thinking about . It logically makes since not mix the two systems when superchargers are so sensitive to heat and hot air , also do u lose interior heating with this modd . Oh the car is primarily for the street , but I will be taking it to the track Milan Dragway and US 131 dragway sometimes .

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Hay , Exoticmetal 55 & Redbulljnk thanks for the advice and direction. I've noticed that these CObra mustangs 03 & 04 and Gt 500 have split cooling . What was Mercedes thinking about . It logically makes since not mix the two systems when superchargers are so sensitive to heat and hot air , also do u lose interior heating with this modd . Oh the car is primarily for the street , but I will be taking it to the track Milan Dragway and US 131 dragway sometimes .
No sir, you will not loose any inside heat from seperating the cooling. Check into running your IC pump when the key comes on as well.
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Thanks , I apprepriate your help and incite. I do have a upgraded heat exchanger PLM and johnson CM30 plump. I will definitely follow your advice
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Thanks , I apprepriate your help and incite. I do have a upgraded heat exchanger PLM and johnson CM30 plump. I will definitely follow your advice
Make sure you wire the pump to turn on with the key like Brooke said. It helps cool it down.
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Hay , Redbulljunky my mechanic Shajan at Motorwerks in commercetown, mi did the install and all my performance work he wired the plump to be on long as the car is on. It continually runs once your turn the ignition key, they'll do the split cooling Thanks. Also they do top-notch work Highly recommend them if your in Michigan or Ohio
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Hay , Redbulljunky my mechanic Shajan at Motorwerks in commercetown, mi did the install and all my performance work he wired the plump to be on long as the car is on. It continually runs once your turn the ignition key, they'll do the split cooling Thanks. Also they do top-notch work Highly recommend them if your in Michigan or Ohio
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Originally Posted by Exotic-metal55
If you are doing a track set up, then get a trunk tank and the Eurocharged HE up front. The ice water goes direct to intercooler and the HE really does not come into play on short 10 to 11 second runs, with pure ice water flwoing in.. If for daily driving, then one large front HE and mez pump with split system and keyed pump wiring is a very effective set up. The extra HE inline may actually slow flow to much and could hurt vs help, since as others said the intercooler brick is the next heat issue.
What is keyed pump wiring?
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